Atrios asks
They Say Go
So why don’t we go?
More importantly, why the hell would we want to stay?
-Atrios 9:10 AM
Because it’s always been about the desire to control them. Which is sadly funny because of the paradox that occurs when there is a powerful popular front against such colonialism, as illustrated by this famous anti-imperialist dictum:
The more you tighten your grip, Governor Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
Which in turn is why so many wingnuts favor the Death Star solution against people who merely want soveriegnty over their own affairs.
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Yeah, yeah more lefty/Chomkyite blathering from Retardo! He is not serious! So listen to Brzezinski, who is “serious”:
I mean, the fact of the matter is that, three years after the occupation of Baghdad, the authority we have installed is besieged and relatively helpless, and a civil war is beginning to mushroom, under the occupation, which is unable to crush the insurgency, because it is a foreign occupation.
And, last but not least, we have to get rid of the mindset, which is really by now totally ahistorical — we no longer live in the age of colonialism. We no longer have to assume “the white man’s burden” in order to civilize others, and I’m using these phrases in quotation marks.
The Iraqis are a historical people. They’re quite capable of handling things on their own, provided their leaders are real leaders of the country and not essentially proteges of an occupying power hiding in an American fortress.
[snip]
Now, Walter says, if I understood him correctly, that he’s willing to wait three more years to see if the present government leaves the Green Zone, the American fortress. Well, how many thousands of Iraqis will die in the meantime? How many hundreds, how many thousands of Americans will die in the meantime?
How much will our prestige internationally decline? How many billions of dollars will we spend on this?
You know, analogies are not always very helpful, but farfetched analogies are really misleading. I think the analogy to the American Civil War is really farfetched.
If you want some analogy, I would say a closer analogy is that of Algeria, in the waning days of the war that the Algerians were waging against the French. Until de Gaulle came to power, the government was getting all the time the same kind of advice we now are hearing about the situation in Iraq. It may get better. Yes, three years have been wasted, but maybe we can go on for another three years. And we’re going to do better; we’re going to control Algiers.
There’s a wonderful movie called “The Battle of Algiers,” which shows what happened when the effort was made finally just to control Algiers. I’m afraid the battle for Baghdad is, in many ways, reminiscent of the battle for Algiers.
And then a man came along, de Gaulle, who instead of listening to the same degree of timid consensus — “Gee, we are stuck, but we don’t know what to do, so let’s continue being stuck and maybe we’ll win” — he realized that this is a wrong war.
This is an unhistorical war. This is a war which France cannot win because the age has passed. And we have to realize that we cannot do now in Iraq what the British did in the 1920s. This is a new age and a colonial imperial war, in the name of tutelage, is just not going to prevail.
JIM LEHRER: So pull out, Dr. Brzezinski, now?
ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Pull out in an intelligent fashion.
All the wingnuts can do — all they have ever done despite poll after poll like the one Yglesias cites — is insist, like Walter Russell Mead in the Zbig link, that those Iraqis who do not want us there are merely jihadists and terrorists, a minority faction. In point of fact, just as no American would tolerate an occupier here (‘benevolent’ or not), no ordinary Iraqi wants one there. Everyone wants to be sovereign. In short, wingnuts lie because they want to control other peoples and nations.

Col. Mathieu: “In practice, demonstrating a false humanitarianism
only leads to ridiculousness and impotence. I’m certain that all units
will understand and react accordingly.”