Yes.

I agree with you.

*stays quiet about spoilers*

You mean the part about their being in a small snow globe? I actually ruined the ending for myself about two weeks ago with a spoiler site, but one question remains : why, in the cut-aways, was everyone acting as if Jack’s dad was alive?

Not me, Brad.

Although I have a nice new flatscreen tv, it does not get turned on much.

Maybe it needs some patchouli oil?

I didn’t watch Lost. I was too busy watching last night’s NBA Draft Lottery on an endless loop. And occasionally stepping outside to taunt any Celtics fans who might be walking past.

I concur with your holyshittery. Sayid is my new hero, even if he is not actually portrayed by an Arab.

why, in the cut-aways, was everyone acting as if Jack’s dad was alive?

Indeed, Norb — and whose funeral was that?

Hurley with the van almost makes up for the Hurley finds a van episode.

Hurley with the van almost makes up for the Hurley finds a van episode.

Ah c’mon. Hurley Finds teh Van episode now makes total sense (that and we now know who “Roger Work Man” is). In fact, Hurley Finds teh Van is now one of the more significant eps of teh season.

I didn’t watch Lost. I was too busy watching last night’s NBA Draft Lottery on an endless loop. And occasionally stepping outside to taunt any Celtics fans who might be walking past.

have you no soul? len bias and reggie lewis are crying in heaven at your callousness right now.

the celts are fucked. i had a friend email me some bullshit-look on the brightside -crap this morning. but really all we have left are bucketfuls of barren delusions. man i want another shot at that lottery so bad. ugh.

one of my roommates suggested that the whole cut scene was really a flashback and that kate and jack really had to return to the island and thus their adventures in the now . bah, i say. that theory doesn’t really fit into the continuity (as loose as it is) of the show.
that reference to his dad can be chalked up to a drug addled brain and just being a dick to the other doctor, “yeah, go get my dead alcoholic dad and see if he’s more drunk than i am. either way fine way to end the season.

It’s something I’m going to have to watch again. I’ll say this:

They are definitely flashing forward now. There’s no way that Jack piece was a flashback. No way they’d go to the Island twice and that Jack would still make the same dumb decision to leave.

Lost,

Lost interest

whose funeral was that?

The undertaker at Fisher & Sons made reference to “she,” didn’t he? And no one came to see her.

If we assume it’s one of the beach crew, that would make presumably eliminate everyone except Claire, Rousseau and Juliet. My money’s on Juliet.

The undertaker at Fisher & Sons made reference to “she,� didn’t he? And no one came to see her.

How about Rose? I can’t explain why no one came to see her, but it looked like it was in the inner-city, which (and I know this will sound insensitive) may have been where she was from. But more importantly, didn’t she have cancer or some terminal illness before going to the island? And wouldn’t she therefore be the most likely to die after leaving?

As for Jack’s dad, at first I thought the only reference was the prescription, which was likely forged. But Jack made the “get my dad down here” challenge, which means they either go back to some alternate universe where his dad’s alive, or he was too drunk to remember that his dad was dead.

Also, it was kind of funny that no one did the “hey, I remember you as a survivor of that plane crash” comment.

Ha, we realized what was happening when we saw Jack use the ultra-thin black cell phone that didn’t exist three years ago when he got Lost. And when Jack talked about his father, everyone else at the hospital looked at him as if he were nuts. About the funeral, or “viewing”, Kate indicated she didn’t care for the deceased, if that helps. The weirdest part, though, was Locke. And Walt. Pretty good entertainment, in any event; and the makers seem determined not to leave us hanging in the end .

Hey, I had a bracketed “cough X-Files” in my last sentence that disappeared!

Once more for posterity: Lost is pretty good entertainment; and in any event its makers seem determined to not leave us hanging in the end (unlike another show we could name that we invested years in [cough X-FIles]).

Also, I had some serious technical issues as well:

1) I doubt the grenade going off that deep would rupture the porthole. And even so, why didn’t Charlie just leave the room and shut the door behind him. Unless he thought he was fulfilling the prophecy or something.

2) If they’re jamming signals, how the hell do the walkie talkies work? And how were they able to watch TV and shit in that one hut where they kept tabs on the outside world?

How come Hurley hasn’t lost any weight on an island diet of fish and veg?

How come Kate’s muscles keep getting bigger. Are there dumbbells in the jungle?

How come their clothes are in such good shape?

How do the gals stay in lipstick, blush and mascara?

Why can’t America make a show that features any reality? (Acknowledging excellent shows like The Wire, which are few and far between, I mean.)

Sadly, No! Wha’hoppen?

Why can’t America make a show that features any reality?

Ah c’mon. This show is too much fun.

Well, I watched the show with interest for the first time in about two years; despite the shitty acting and mostly terrible dialogue, it was pretty fun. Now that the show has an end date (something like 3 more seasons and 45 more episodes), they can at least work towards something instead of dicking around. The m.o. while throwing a few mysterious scraps per episode to the fanpeople to keep them believing that they’re part of some huge undertaking. I’ve never seen a wilderness of despair quite like a Lost theory fan-board.

I was most shocked at what Sawyer does to Tom at the end, and what Locke does to Naomi – really similar situations, though I’m not as sympathetic to Locke’s actions. I think the person in the casket is a dude, btw

Good call about Jack’s cell phone. I remarked a number of times that it hadn’t been invented yet. I thought Jack was returning from his Thailand adventure or something. I thought the funeral was for Rose as well only because it appeared to be in a black neighborhood. It really could be anyone though, but probably not Sawyer because Kate had to get back to “him.” I assume “he” is Sawyer. I was happy to see Walt again (even though he now appears to be 37 years old).

As for blocking signals, surely there is a way to block certain frequencies while permitting others right? That Russian guy cracks me up – I wonder if he’s actually dead this time. And, yeah, why didn’t Charlie just close the door from the other side? Could it not be sealed from the other side? They could have made that bit less clunky. I also wonder if Charlie’s brother programed the Beach Boys song into the keypad.

I also assume that Jack was just off his nut when he was yelling for his father at the hospital.

For the future, I’m guessing that Ben wasn’t actually lying about who was coming to the island; I imagine that they are a rival corporation who wants to get their hands on whatever Ben (and John) think is going on there. They’ll be rescued later, but only after some really nefarious shit goes down.

Not as fabulous as last year’s finale, but pretty entertaining in any event.

Not that I watch it or anything, but…

If Sayid is played by a Latino, does that mean that any Latino will end up on the Costco Coulter’s terror warch list?

How come Hurley hasn’t lost any weight on an island diet of fish and veg?

Yeah, but they explained that.

Yup, Dharma supply drops are full of processed carbs.

“How come Kate’s muscles keep getting bigger. Are there dumbbells in the jungle?”

She’s gotten an awful lot of exercise the last 3 months.

“Why can’t America make a show that features any reality?”

Because reality’s a drag and TV is the box in your house the stupid comes out of.

And, yeah, why didn’t Charlie just close the door from the other side? Could it not be sealed from the other side?

He had to die. He had to die in order to fulfill Des’ prophecy and get everyone off of the island.

I don’t think that Naveen Andrews is Latino; he’s an Englishman of Indian ancestry.

The Dad thing still hasn’t been satisfactorily explained on the 1000+ comment AICN thread. He had a prescription written by his Dad, if his Dad was dead and the Rx had been forged, that would have been pretty easy to see through.

One other question: in the future, he’s not recognized as somebody who got rescued off an island after having gone missing for whatever period of time?

If Sayid is played by a Latino, does that mean that any Latino will end up on the Costco Coulter’s terror warch list?

I also kind of wonder: if 24 plotlines are the stuff of Republican debate hypotheticals, then do the Dem candidates get asked about Lost. Like “Terrorists have released an electromagnetic pulse that brings down an airplane near Guam. What is your plan for the crisis in healthcare that occurs when all the doctors are popping pills and having existential crises, does it involve rehab or jail time. Mr. Gore don’t you want Hurley on the case as a fellow tubby and VW-van-driving hipster. And I bet you’d just prefer your savior to be a ‘Sayid’ wouldn’t you Mr./Mrs. I-hate-America”

Naveen Andrews is English of Indian descent.

What was the big kicker they had promised? I liked the episode, but for me everything was a tad predictable. Charlie did die, Locke was still alive, Jack was flash-forwarding. I think Jack mentioning his father was part drug addled, part rage. The cell phone & people calling Jack a hero a second time tipped me off. When he was in his squalid hovel with maps & such, I knew his driving force was going to be trying to get back to the island.

Despite sometimes bad dialogue, I still like the characters that have been created. Like John Rogers at kfmonkey said, you could do a great show with Hurley & the non-Jack, Kate, Locke Losties.

My favorite parts of the episode were when Charlie told the woman what he was going to do allowing a Lostie to finally creep-out an Other & I liked the final battle at the beach. I’ve always hated bullies & the Others seem to me to be self-righteous bullies & despite Ben’s words, they are bad people. So in the context of a fictional show, I didn’t mind seeing no-name & even named Others croak. I also liked seeing Ben getting the beating he deserves.

I don’t trust the flash-forward one bit.

Kate. Fugitive murderer. Prison.

The biggest kicker was Walt, right?

Nah, Walt was just the smoke monster voice-of-the-island (Jacob?) thing again. (Though Lindelhof and Cruse might have their work cut out for them explaining how this Walt was six inches taller than when he and Michael left the island a few weeks before!)

“Walt” was telling Locke what he needed to do to “help” Jacob.

Walt – what is it.
Jacob – what is it.
What does Locke believe after speaking with Walt?
What is coming from the outside world to rescue them?
Does Ben really know what is coming or is he lying for time?
Is the flash forward things that could be or will be?

And a minor one that bugs me:
Why wont that one eyed russian stay dead?

The biggest kicker was Walt, right?

Considering his name was in the opening credits, we knew he had to show up at some point of the episode.

Damn good episode, and a lot of possibilities for the next season.

The best part, by far, was Hurley mowing down that douchebag in the Hippiemobile.

“Yeah dude, I saved ’em all.”

Hurley’s awesome. For some reason I laughed when he was on the walkie with Jack, and Sawyer is in teh background leaning against the Islamohippy Bus, drinking one of those Dharma beers.

What’s up with Penny being linked up to the underwater station?

“What’s up with Penny being linked up to the underwater station?”

Something was very fishy about her delivery and presentation. Stilted, maybe almost simulated, Max Headroom-y. Probably maybe not really Penelope Widmore…

The flash-forward has me scratching my head, that’s for sure.

But the producers had to get Walt off the show for the very reason mentioned above; chronologically they’ve been there only three months, but since in not-teevee land it’s been a few years, the young actor who plays Walt has gone from 10 to 14. Boys do grow in those years, and they couldn’t get around it.

Doesn’t bother me. I never liked his dad the whiner.

I read this morning that the new season doesn’t begin until 2008, so we have a long time to ponder this surreal show.

What’s up with Penny being linked up to the underwater station?

I’m of the opinion that Penny is part of the whole thing. Her enormous wealth was never really explained (or was it?). Perhaps she is funding Dharma? Perhaps she is part of the rival corporation? It would explain why she was on the frequency. The background where she was sitting was kinda funky/50’s-60’s style like a lot of Dharma.

I thought it was a great episode, although they could have done it in an hour, without breaking for commercial every 5 minutes.

I kind of imagine Penny just spreading her money around to ANYONE who will help her find Desmond. She doesn’t care if its Dharma or a rival company. On the other hand, its not necessary for her to be hooked up with anyone; it’s reasonable that she was broadcasting a signal that managed to get through to the station when it stopped blocking. Although, why would the signal be directed there? Because of the hatch explosion. It seems that whatever is up with her, she knows enough to go about looking the correct way, even if she doesn’t know the details.

I forget: did the parachute girl say that Penny sent her to find Desmond? Of course Penny’s father could be wrapped up in all of this too.

The best part, by far, was Hurley mowing down that douchebag in the Hippiemobile.

Right before this, Sawyer and Juliet were deliberating their next course of action, and one of them said “You go”, and it almost sounded like Hugo. I can only assume that was deliberate.

Guesses…
It’s Ben in the coffin. The Jack flashes last night were a flash forward (the big finale twist) and they do indeed get off the island and take Ben with them, and once he leaves the healing force of the island, his spinal cancer returns and kills him. No one shows up at the funeral cuz no one stateside knows him outside the 815 folk, who all hate him.

As for them getting off the island, the offshore boat is a Dharma boat (ben calls them ‘the bad guys’). They get everyone off the island who’s on the hill with the radio tower. Buuuuut, they don’t get those who are still on the beach or Desmond who’s in the underwater joint. Thus you have reason for Rose and Bernard getting split up (he’s a crack shot so he stays at beach? right.), and a reason for Sun and Jin to be split up.

The next season will be about them gettting off the island and trying to return to life stateside. But as the flash forward reveals, they have guilt or whatever about leaving… prolly cuz they left some folk behind?

So maybe the last season will involve a contingent trying to find the island again and save the remaining folk.

Guesswork, of course, but it fits.

Oh, and we had to pause it to laugh and laugh and laugh when Walt talked. Wonder how they’re gonna work that one in. Puberty’s a bitch in hollywood.

/geek

BD, your projections make a lot of sense. This also leaves open the option of Jack actually getting back to the island, as “future-Jack” appears to want. I wonder why the “rescuers” wouldn’t wait a couple of minutes to save the gaggle at the beach and Desmond underwater, however.

I’m still wondering what’s up with the Libby character and her apparent connection to Hugo and Desmond.

RE: Penny & her money. There was some Internet show-related stuff that revealed Whitmore Corp was the contractor who built the hatches for Hanso IIRC. Anyway, there is a connection btwn Penny’s dad & Dharma.

I don’t remember if Noami said Penny sent her, but she did say Desmond’s name & had the picture of him wiht Penny.

RE: leaving the island. I think all those who wanted to leave would be allowed. It’d be funny if Ben is removed against his will, but I can say for sure that Locke & Rosseau along with the remaining Others stay. My thought is that it turns out the Losties are connected to the island now. Can’t leave without getting sick or some such.

Russian guy ~ after last night he should be dead… he had to hold the grenade to blow the window (I don’t know if a fragmentation grenade could really breach a window like that instantly). If the concussive force didn’t get him then missing a hand & being perforated by shrapnel should do him in.

Maybe the Russian is death-proof.

Mikhail / patchy is death proof. He took a underwater harpoon to the chest before drowning Charlie.

OK, I admit, I hate this show. It is full of born-again / rapture themes (In season 2, the Other, Goodwyn told Ana Lucia, “We only take the GOOD people.”). I cashed-in my chips at the end of Season 2. But thanks to LostPedia, I can follow the plot without watching the show.

The big ‘game-changing’ event is the flash-forward. And that signals a change in theme for the show. Instead of being a post 9/11 fable about survivors of a plane crash being trapped by forces they cannot control, it becomes a fable about a fantasy island where everything happens for a reason and its inhabitants are never supposed to leave or be discovered by the outside world. It suddenly seems more like The Prisoner (with its Village and its murky plot), rather than a story about inter-connected sinners who must resolve their issues before expiring (which is why I stopped watching – who wants to watch 100 episodes of people confessing to sins and having no way to escape their dark fate).

In fact, I thought that the primary story arc was a Jungian / Hero story about Jack. Jack wants to be a hero. He doesn’t want to end up like his self-absorbed dad. He wants to save people and get the gang off the island. Now with the flash-forward, we see that Jack becomes more like his dad after he escapes the island. He tries to commit suicide. he drinks too much. He is delusional. And whoever is in the casket (Sayid or Julie, I guess), he is disconnected. He wants to go back to the island. And my guess is that 44 episodes from now, the future and present narratives will merge and we’ll see Jack go back to the island to live-out the rest of his days. Jack will have found his real home.

In season 2, the Other, Goodwyn told Ana Lucia, “We only take the GOOD people.�

Yeah, but they’re full of shit and he was just trying to get up her nose with that anyway.

It suddenly seems more like The Prisoner

That’s what it’s reminded me of from the start.

And my guess is that 44 episodes from now, the future and present narratives will merge and we’ll see Jack go back to the island to live-out the rest of his days. Jack will have found his real home.

And that’s a good guess.

“Mikhail / patchy is death proof. He took a underwater harpoon to the chest before drowning Charlie.”

Not to mention the crazy electro fence thing. John gave him a pretty good beating too.

Everyone at our house is assuming he’s one of the original crew of the Black Rock (pirate?) ship… the unfriendlies who kill the Dharma folk and take in Ben. He’s done nothing but lie about who he is, so no reason to think that he’s actually a Russian, though there is the accent.

Who knows.

And after reading Leagalize & Seanly’s posts, I think, yea, they won’t just scoop up a handful. So some will have to make a choice. Rose won’t go cuz of her sickness. Nor will Locke at this point. Who else?

But I’m positive that it’s Ben in the coffin. Makes the most sense. Jack’s all torn up cuz he realized Ben was right about folks leaving (sez they’ll all die… meaning they return to mortality… which fits with the old Dharma website touting a “life-extension” project their interest in the island). So maybe he does convince some to leave who should have stayed and the croak, and maybe that’s weighing on his conscience.

typo city….. sorry.

I think of Lost as a cross between Myst (the video game) and Gilligan’s Island.

I sometimes think of Lost as a television version of “The Grand Inquisitor” but, you know, with palm trees and smoke monsters.

Lost is a great example of where the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

There have been many entertaining and well done episodes, but trying to figure out where this show will go seems fruitless. There are many occasions where it seems the writers are making it up as they go along.

Ana Lucia is a good example. When fans didn’t like her they wrote her out of the series. You have to kill off a character every one in a while. There are just too many times when clues are dropped for the sake of dropping them.

I find Lost fun for the most part, but won’t ever try to outguess the writers. Just go along for the ride and be entertained.

What channel is it on? Four?

There are many occasions where it seems the writers are making it up as they go along.

Dickens seemed to get away with it.

No, I watched a 1983 documentary on ancient Atlantis.

Reason why Charlie closed the hatch from inside. He had just called Desmond over to see the video from Penny. When he looked back, there was the Russian dude with the grenade. He closed the hatch to prevent Desmond from coming into the control room. He then wrote his final note, telling Desmond that the offshore freighter is not Penny’s. Cue Drive Shaft’s “I am Everybody.”

Naomi was claiming to work for Penny, but was lying.