Flamely Feud
Nah, not the kind where Richard Dawson tried to stick his tongue down every female throat, nor where opposing rows of doofs babbled ‘good answer, good answer’ to all answers, good, bizarre or just plain stupid.
I mean, instead, like, really harsh stuff. In honor of this bit of news about some of Perfesser Corncob‘s infamous relatives, I got to thinking about making a list of the blogosphere’s most sustained and most explosive flame wars.
There’s the one that goes on between Prof. Corncob and Atrios — but as fitting for the superpowers/superportals of blogs, it’s often fought by proxy.
There was the Legion of Idiots vs. Glenn Greenwald thing.
K-Lo and Michelle Malkin (on behalf of Bill Donohue) vs. Amanda and Shakes.
Gerard Van der Loon and Shrieking Harpy vs. Wolcott
Ace of Spades and Pattycakes vs. TBOGG
David Horowitz vs. Michael Berube
Ann Althouse vs. Scott Lemieux, Jessica, Amanda, Thers
Then there’s Ticky-Tacky Trevino, Goldstein, Pattycakes, Boo-Boo Kitty Fuck somebody, and one other, whom you’ve never heard of (code name: Neosporin; think of him as a putrid mix of Meir Kahane and Ayn Rand, shaped in an ideological jell-o mold and left to stand on the table jiggling with pure insanity, what a horrible sack of shit he is) vs. inconsequential, insignificant, lil’ ol’ me
Got any others? I know I’m missing lots….
Doughy Pantload vs. Juan Cole, featuring the bet.
I try not to follow these things because it would mean reading the posts of Althouse , Perfesser Corncob, etc. I’m sure Wolcott eviscerated that van der Loon douchebag without his being aware of it. Wasn’t there a big deal where Gilliard got accused of racism for calling Michael Steele or someone an Uncle Tom?
Doughy Pantload vs. Juan Cole (The Battle of I Bet You Things Are Going to Go Awesome In Iraq)
“Naughty Girl” Michelle Malkin vs. Ann “TiChrist” Coulter & Matt Drudge (Don’t Talk That Way About My Boyfriend, Bitch: The Smackdown)
Little Green Footballs vs. The Huffington Post (the “Who is Happier When Other People Die?” wars)
Big Boy Jammies vs. Dennis the Peasant (Battlefield: Your Lame-Ass “New Media” Project)
Crazy Pammy vs. James Wolcott (“I won’t be IGNORED here, James”)
James Lileks vs. Salam Pax (Fuck You Raghead)
Daffyd Ab Hugh vs. a Big Sandwich Sadly, No! vs. Feministe
Me vs. the indifference of the entire blogosphere
Don’t fall into Althouse’s trap of dignifying her fits as a flame war. It’s not. It’s her being a narcissistic nut and everyone else laughing at her.
Giant Sammich Gate is notable by its absence here but I would vote for the meltdown Tacky had over the light saber picture. That was awesome and it also seemed to cause his disapearance from the internets. I notice that his old site just mentions that “joshua.trevino.at is offline indefinitely” whereas it used to say to “stay tuned for something big” or something similarly fucking stupid. Why haven’t you publicly taken credit for chasing him into oblivion? Such an accomplishment does not call for modesty.
There’s always Alicublog v. Mrs. Perfesser and Althouse.
Does Godzilla vs. Mecha-Godzilla count?
The Corner vs. Reality
What Lawnlander said. Your work is always entertaining, informative and much appreciated, HTML ol’ sport – The defeat of Tacky would be a well-deserved feather in yer theoretical cap.
The Marble Douchebag in ruins? How, well, Roman.
It probably doesn’t count… okay, it near certainly doesn’t count, because no one cares except me, the other guy, some drooling pencil necks at a Warren Ellis fansite, and all those mouth breathers over at Portal of Evil… but still, it’s the ‘flame war’ nearest and dearest to whatever it is I use for a heart… Me vs. my old buddy Slappy.
Then there was the thing between me and the nutjob Heinlein fan… although every Heinlein fan I’ve ever met besides me is a nutjob, so, y’know, that’s probably to be expected.
What about Mark Noonan vs. Science? That was a pretty good one.
What about that whole Jesus vs. Santaclause deal that went down a few years ago. That got pretty, er, heated, didn’t it?
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You’re not including the skirmishes over women and feminism in progressive blogs and humor: DKos pie fight/”women’s studies set,” TRex on FireDogLake, and I think there was something with Jon Aravosis too…
Scienceblogs is a source of plenty of great feuds: PZ Myers v. the Discovery Institute, PZ and Orac v. Michael Egnor, Tim Lambert v. just about everyone …
And no list of feuds can possibly be complete with Juan Cole v. Doughy Pantload, one of the most complete bitchslappings since the invention of language.
Aravosis – do you mean when he said Israel was justified in shelling Lebanese neighborhoods cuz sometimes you just have to lash out and kill some civilians? Yeah, that got a lot of DMFAs
goldstein stopped by a TBogg comment one day a few months ago for a multi-hundred comment flame war. i can’t find it anymore. but it was awesome.
¿Does Joe Klein vs anyone weeth a brain count?
¿eh?
You’re too modest to mention the magnum opus on Jeff “pasty” Goldstein? That was quite damning, I must say, and a very good job done.
By the way, am I the only one having my comments moderated now? I’m a loyal member of the commentariat, dammit!
Greenwald is currently waging a war against main stream journalists, and ABC (Brian Ross) in particular, but it is not technically a flame war because one side doesn’t even know how to use the Google, much less the Inter-Toobz.
I think there was something with Jon Aravosis too…
This would be his calling Senator Pat Roberts a big girl, I assume.
Two of my favorites:
Reverend Mykeru vs. Lord Spatula
Paul Deignan vs. Bitch, Ph.D. and Wally
PZ Myers versus Powerline was a classic. I live in Michigan, and not only did I hear the slapdown all the way up in Minnesota, but it also rattled my windows.
Reverend Mykeru vs. Lord Spatula
Ahh yes, the Rev. First blog I read. I really liked his style. Whatever happened to him?
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Lord Spatula v. Rev. Mykeru. There was going to be fisticuffs for that one, but Spatula chickened out.
Gun counter Gomer vs TBOGG, today.
The puppy picture is perfect
Hello?
Sheesh
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Mario vs. Patterico
goldstein stopped by a TBogg comment one day a few months ago for a multi-hundred comment flame war. i can’t find it anymore. but it was awesome.
ooo,ooo, really? sorry i missed it
You’re not including the skirmishes over women and feminism in progressive blogs and humor: DKos pie fight/�women’s studies set,� TRex on FireDogLake, and I think there was something with Jon Aravosis too…
Those people are not honest intellectuals, so it is fallacious to refer to them as “The Women’s Studies Set”. I prefer to call them Lefty Frag Hags.
Why haven’t you publicly taken credit for chasing him into oblivion? Such an accomplishment does not call for modesty.
Gavin thinks that I did that when I told him he had all the talent of a wad of dryer lint and the ethics of a two-dollar crack whore in the comments at FDL. True, he was off-line within 24 hours, but I like to think it was a group effort.
How about Paglia vs 95% of the commenters on her drivel at Salon?
She’s now in the global warming skeptics camp with limp, apparently.
I notice the Wacky Perfesser approvingly quotes a wingnut today who seriously claims and actually seems to believe Vice President Gore is a billionaire. Insane, or idiotic?
I vote both.
Dear god.
Please, someone here do a post on Paglia’s newest “column” for Salon.
It reads like a Joe Morgan chat transcript.
Did I see the ‘breast-blogging’ incident or was that less of a flame war and more of an episode?
Gavin thinks that I did that when I told him he had all the talent of a wad of dryer lint and the ethics of a two-dollar crack whore in the comments at FDL.
Well T-Rex, those words were accurately cruel and effective but make no mistake: I have stated previously that I endorse cruel things in flamewars. Tto eschew them is folly.
Also, there was the Atrios blog-roll flame war against a bunch of blogs I never heard of and now never will again.
My first troll was from a guy running the now-defunct blog “PBS Watch” (his blog got hijacked by a spammer) over a federal judge’s ruling striking down Nebraska’s newly-minted homophobia amendment. That lasted about a week and ended shortly after my fisking of Eugene Volokh’s reaction to the ruling.
Didn’t that Pasty at TBogg fiasco consist of Pasty insulting himself for 500 posts, thinking he was making some sort of point? Yeah, that was classic, I hope it’s still in the archives there.
Dude, why even bother catalouging internet flame wars?
Flame wars are probably the stupidest, least effective, least winnable, least elightening, most off-putting, most time-intensive thing that bloggers can do.
Instead we should be trying to forget ye olde flame wars of yore.
I mean,
1. Nobody outside of blogs even cares.
2. You can’t ‘win’ or ‘lose’ an internet flame war. We are just a bunch of people typing on keyboards, and reading each other. The only way you can really ‘fight’ on the internet is by either threatening someone (like those assholes did with Kathy Sierra), or maybe by doing a DDOS attack. Neither thing convinces anyone outside of the blogger’s tiny circle, and both could get you arrested.
3. In an internet flame fight, people usually don’t even read or consider each other’s points. They just write stuff against each other. This can be satisfying, perhaps, but is mostly a waste of time. Usually the people who end up reading these fights can’t even clearly figure out what the positions of the two ‘combatants’ are.
goldstein stopped by a TBogg comment one day a few months ago for a multi-hundred comment flame war. i can’t find it anymore. but it was awesome.
Man, I remember that. That was a little unpleasent to watch someone melt down that badly. Isn’t he the guy who, when he was facing some possible housing issues (as in not having one anymore), he bitched that liberals wouldn’t help him out, thus they were all assholes, even though the guy didn’t have a goddamn job despite being married and having kids. Same guy, right?
Anyhow. That boy looked plumb pitiful at the end of all that.
Well, sometimes in a flame war people say things that are pretty funny. If you aren’t too invested in the outcome, it can be amusing to watch. The thing that always cracks me up is when some internet tuff guy threatens to beat up somebody (who’s usually getting the best of him insult-wise) on the internet. Do these people not realize that you can’t beat up people who are not in the same place as you are? For that matter, are they just as tuff and ready to lock n load and throw down in real life, or is it only when they are safely hidden in the series of tubes?
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Was Goldberg vs. Cole a flamewar or simply a depantsing?
What about that time all those freaky lefty blogs posted horrible music videos at each other in an attempt to destroy the blogoverse or at least lose all their readers? At any rate, I say we dogpile on atheist for being a pooper of parties. BLARGH!
I say we dogpile on atheist for being a pooper of parties. BLARGH!
Uh.. I mean.. if you want to talk about it go ahead… I shouldn’t be so serious.
I just had to get that out, though.
a linky just for you!
I’ll always cherish the day Ann Althouse called me “insolent.” That was genuinely awesome.
a linky just for you!
Thank you.
That was… heartwarming.
Aw, phooey, you’re no fun! So much for the faux blogwar within a post about blogwars, and I gotta say I never meta fractal I didn’t like.
Imus poleaxed by MSRNC. Couldn’t happen to a bigger withered douchenozzle.
I think we’re missing Joe Klein and the 400 comment Blitzkreig that hit him upon publishing his first “blog.” All calling him an asshole. He put up the white flag about a week later. So did Jay Carney of Time.com when he said way back when the US Attorneys scandal was nothing but liberal blogger jagging off paranoid fantasy.
I know how much Sadly, No! Inc. Geschellschaft LLP etc. loves a good Photoshopping war so I’m really disappointed that no one at your fine company has posted about the Photoshop trickery that the usual rightards are engaging in re: the recent protest march in Iraq, where they were all “Heheheheh only 7,000 people showed up at this square! They’re lame!”, neglecting to mention the 3 mile column of people on roads leading in to the square.
A curse on the lack of a preview function if my HTML skillz are teh sux.
Not a flame war per se, but just an overall racist idiot bigot general achievement category, I’ll nominate every closet lynch mob enthusiast at HuffPo and all the right wing skank delivery systems getting diaper rash because MSNBC put Don Imus out with tomorrow’s trash — which I believe is the annual spring cleaning pick-up where they accept broken, obsolete white goods.
Man, I remember that. That was a little unpleasent to watch someone melt down that badly. Isn’t he the guy who, when he was facing some possible housing issues (as in not having one anymore), he bitched that liberals wouldn’t help him out, thus they were all assholes, even though the guy didn’t have a goddamn job despite being married and having kids. Same guy, right?
Anyhow. That boy looked plumb pitiful at the end of all that.
Could I get some more information on that?
cleek: TBogg’s post and the comments.
Matt T. and TRex: Sadly, No!’s post on Goldstein’s fund drive.
Speaking of Mykeru vs. Spatula, does anybody here actually know that Mykeru guy? Last time I read him, a year or so ago, he was getting into serious cry-for-help territory–and then last night someone pointed out that his site is just “1965-2007” on a black background.
If it’s a gag, fine, but it just seems awfully hack. Guy like that, you gotta figure he’d do something with a dummy and embed the YouTube of it.
Does Donald Luskin vs. Paul Krugman count? That one was always my personal fave.
Weren’t there rumours about Pasty renegotiating with FrumpyHouseCoatMedia recently and his simultaneous attempts to start a blogwar in order to pimp up his readership and technorati rank with lots of links from LeftBlogistan via the (failed) blogwar?
Please, someone here do a post on Paglia’s newest “column� for Salon.
TBogg did that one. He even links to Molly Ivins’ awesomely amazing smackdown of the Pag.
He still can’t make me EVER click on a Paglia link, however.
Salon was clever enough to announce that Greenwald was on staff BEFORE they announced the return of La Paglia, so they got money up front from people like me, the rat bastids.
There’s a campaign in the Letters over there right now, with people offering to pay $5 extra for their subscription if the money doesn’t go to Paglia or something. Hilarious.
If you aren’t too invested in the outcome, it can be amusing to watch. The thing that always cracks me up is when some internet tuff guy threatens to beat up somebody (who’s usually getting the best of him insult-wise) on the internet.
Yah, you’re right, that is pretty funny when people say that. You have to think, wow, what a tuff guy!
Hey J — thanks for the stroll down repressed-memory lane. I was present for the originals, but nothing says psychosis like reliving the Godlstein meltdown. BAM!
I would love to see someone get Jim Kunstler going in a blog contretemps. Have the Perfesser talk about gas usage and wonderful suburban architecture or something. I would pop popcorn for that.
And I think Josh Marshall wins the “flame-retardant” award.
me vs. some guy named thomas hawk + boingboing + a bunch of photography blogs, for defending my wife’s honor. I’d like to think it is the only time i’ve been called “a first class asshole” by anyone, but…well, whatever. still comes up first on google if you put my name in, though.
Alas, Gentlewoman, there’s a newer one. Where Paglia ignores the fact she’s the anti-Sontag n tries to use S’s corpse as the moral high ground. And talks about how growing up in upstate NY made her a climate expert*, leading to her doubting global warming and wondering if it’d be such a big deal if it happened.
Then she mentions how much she hates Baudrillard, Derrida, Lacan, and Foucault, and how despite being a goddamn media studies prof she doesn’t understand what Baudrillard was talking about.
I read some of the letters about her last attempt at making words into sentences and paragraphs, n I think Salon is using her like networks use reality tv. I wonder if anyone will convince Greenwald to weigh in. Not likely, alas.
*- I grew up upstate as well, and the winters have grown shorter and milder while being more variable in what comes on a day to day basis. I don’t know what the fuck she thinks she’s talking about.
well, even tho i’m one of those blogs jhe never heard of and never will, i had a mini-flame war w/the jawa report, who insisted on paraphrasing me out of context (and into something i never said) when i blogged about goldstein’s flame war w/deb frisch.
it only lasted a few days, but i thought for once i was making it into big time blogtopia and yes, i coined that word.
one of my fav flames directed towards jawa in the updates was “we never, in our post, comments, or emails, called the jawa report an asshole. we now regret the error.”
Let’s not forget the Washington Post’s Deborah Howell melting down because we were so darn mean to her when she spread the Republican lie that Abramoff gave money to Dems.
And it’s not really a flamewar, but I thought it was awfully amusing when Tom DeLay’s blog, in existence for probably 15 minutes, was buried in comments about what a lowlife scumbag he is.
You know, I’m a nice person in real life, and my comment to the WP was very courteous, but, really, fuck Tom DeLay. He deserves any and all flaming he gets.
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Corrente vs. The Chattanooga Rove Porkers
Don’t know if it qualifies as a flame war, a case of good ol’ boys clowning us because we unfairly accused them of being related to http://www.gwb43.com, or a classic Rovian misdirection (which was the end result, in any case).
And now that the WH claims the dawgs ate their email, the concern trolls are popping up again.
Dude, why even bother catalouging internet flame wars?
Because they’re good, clean, limbic fun. Boxing for nerds!
My personal favorite would be PZ Myer’s smackdown of intelligent design crank (and investment guru, if you like losing money) George Gilder (and Gilder’s daughter, who wound up collateral damage).
What about the Nazi thing in your basement? Does that count?
And it’s not really a flamewar, but I thought it was awfully amusing when Tom DeLay’s blog, in existence for probably 15 minutes, was buried in comments about what a lowlife scumbag he is.
Thees was no flaming-war.
Thees was the Hindenburg, no?
so.
What about the Nazi thing in your basement? Does that count?
And someone claiming to be Matt Furey’s wife showed up on one of the posts about him demanding it be removed or she was sending in the lawyers. Because lawyers ALWAYS have the client contact a potential defendant…