America’s Least Plausible Person
Posted on May 10th, 2011 by Tintin
Shorter Jo-Dough Loadberg, America’s Shittiest Website™
America’s Least Plausible Populist
- Because Paul Krugman has a beach house and two oddly named cats, there is no need for me to address the substance of his arguments. Well, okay, if I must: His arguments are stale. There. I win.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
I DO love the argument that monied people somehow forfeit the right to be concerned about those who are struggling.
Also, Al Gore has a big house. This is central to my point.
It occurs to me that Jonah and I cut similar figures these days. Although some woman just said “Aren’t you cute?” to me, which is something I bet Jonah rarely hears.
I guess we can add “ad hominem” to the list of concepts Jonah does not understand, right there with “arguing from authority” and “tu quoque.”
Who would do that?
Although some woman just said “Aren’t you cute?” to me
I hope you answered “No” in a Swartzeneggian snarl before you shot them.
It occurs to me that Jonah and I cut similar figures these days
HUSH YOUR MOUTH, GIRL.
a pronounced tendency to denigrate the intelligence of those who lack the proper credentials or who simply disagree with him
Oh Jonah, Jonah: it’s not your lack of proper credentials or simple disagreement that causes people to denigrate your intelligence, it’s the fact that you’re as dumb as a post.
Shorter Doughbitch:
No offense but you’re conceited and I know just as much about economics as you with your stupid degrees and Nobel prizes and such. This is central to my point.
Alternate shorter J-Load:
“Just because Krugman is always right and I’m always wrong is no reason to value his opinions over mine.”
Jonah says Krugman “has a well-earned reputation for having a very high self-regard and a pronounced tendency to denigrate the intelligence . . . who simply disagree with him.”
That’s an obnoxious habit! Not to venture into “tu quoque b.s.” or anything, but let’s look at Jonah’s attempt to defend Liberal Fascism from real-live credentialed scholars at HNN.
OT already. I know, I know.
I’m sure you’ve all heard of this Slutwalk–where women march to protest some asshole cop trying to tell women not to dress like sluts and suddenly there will be no more rape.
Anyway, I was Googling images of the slutwalk, cuz, well, that’s just what I do, and I came across this AWESOME SIGN:
Society teaches
“Don’t Get Raped”
Instead of
“Don’t Rape”
I think that sums it up pretty well.
GO SLUTS!
Central to MY point: When your argument contradicts actual facts, you’re in belittlement territory. If you knew and accepted facts, you wouldn’t be what you call a conservative.
You don’t “simply disagree” with a Nobel Prize winning economist who is renowned worldwide for his knowledge of the subject, fool.
Link for sluts only.
That’s an Olympian case of projection right there.
“HUSH YOUR MOUTH, GIRL.”
Don’t get me wrong; I’m a better dresser.
N_B, I’ll take “cute.”
““Just because Krugman is always right and I’m always wrong is no reason to value his opinions over mine.””
LOL
HA!! Finally sprung from da hospital! Sweet! (no I’m not in labor, just some fetal monitorin’)
I’m glad this post is about Doughbob.
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just some fetal monitorin’
Monitors in the womb?!!! Man, are today’s kids SPOILED! And in the hospital, prolly plasma.
From the comments:
“We are to understand that, but for the Bush tax cuts and the two wars, the outlook for the federal budget would be just peachy. The tax cuts are over, the wars are over, and the policy train wreck that led to the 2008 meltdown is over.”
This is all very good news.
“We are to understand that, but for the Bush tax cuts and the two wars, the outlook for the federal budget would be just peachy. The tax cuts are over, the wars are over, and the policy train wreck that led to the 2008 meltdown is over.”
oh, for fucks sake. none of these things are over. Is this person going by the wingnut timeout period elapsing, the one whereupon history begins anew? this would probably be about 2 minutes long, except it gets reset with every Democratic administration.
Is this person going by the wingnut timeout period elapsing, the one whereupon history begins anew?
You mean like how 9/11 is all Clinton’s fault because he didn’t kill bin Laden after the USS Cole bombing, but that Bush didn’t think about him at all between 1/20/2001 and 9/10/2001 doesn’t matter?
The bane of most conservatives today are those who do not worship at the feet of the ignorant, arrogant and whiny conservatives just because they exist.
Being even half way intelligent has it’s perks!
The extended tax cuts? The wars in which thousands of troops are still overseas and which continue to cost hundreds of millions of dollars a day? The policy trainwreck after which no major policy change took place, and in fact which has Republicans politicians working to worsen the policy by trying to reduce the already minimal oversight?
Exactly tigris, but I don’t know why you are still fussing about it ’cause it’s all over. It’s all over the country and it’s all over the world.
from teh comments:
fixed for accuracy…
What DOES Jonah understand? This is more central to my point . . . as I believe it may be a smaller list, and therefore more manageable.
Because it’s clear to me, Jonah understands just about fuck-all about any subject whatsoever.
“We are to understand that, but for the Bush tax cuts and the two wars, the outlook for the federal budget would be just peachy. The tax cuts are over, the wars are over, and the policy train wreck that led to the 2008 meltdown is over.”
i almost had apoplexy while reading that…
Doughy couches everything in terms of how he’s so right, and there is no room for anyone else to be right. Logic and facts are now a zero-sum game, eh, Jonah?
How does this guy avoid the heart attack that seems so imminent? Evidently, his brain doesn’t use enough blood or energy to tax his system.
i almost had apoplexy while reading that…
It would be pretty fine sarcasm if it came from a stealthy Sadlynaught.
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which both are obviously contradictory to reality
Stating something is “obvious” means I don’t have to support it by supplying any evidence, so SUCK IT, libs!
taxing the system
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note to j-dough and jimbobdon:
“Venturing into ad hominem”…
I absolutely loved his use of the word “meh.” The undercurrent of “look, you may be right, but shut up that’s why!” is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Krugman might have said something similar about this guy, or the elites whose money he eats up like the faithful lapdog he is. But Krugman would have followed up by explaining why tax cuts and the Iraq war (or the equivalent on the other side of the aisle) were not proof of the point.
It would be pretty fine sarcasm if it came from a stealthy Sadlynaught.
Yes, I did wonder, because all of those things are so obviously refutable I can’t imagine any sincere conservative with half a brain bringing them up. That is where I ran into trouble.
which both are obviously contradictory to reality
Stating something is “obvious” means I don’t have to support it by supplying any evidence, so SUCK IT, libs!
OBVIOUSLY!!! so SUCI IT and THEN BOOKMARK IT!!!
is SUCI latin for anything?
Because it’s clear to me, Jonah understands just about fuck-all about any subject whatsoever.
Despite the liberal fascist magnum opus, this one sentence from a garden variety Doughbob screed kind sums up what it means to be God’s gift to epic stupid and shitty writing:
“This overlooks the fact that solar cycles are permanent “periodic occurrences,” a.k.a. a very long-term trend.”
Mommy should have taken a mulligan.
“a pronounced tendency to denigrate the intelligence of those who lack the proper credentials”
I’ve been reading The Shrill One for years and I honestly have not noticed this. Considering how willing he is to tear into lionized and heavily credentialed figures like Greenspan &c., I don’t think it’s valid to accuse Krugman of elitism based on credentials.
Aside from that, Goldberg only proves that Krugman is elite, not elitist. He’s a big boy, I know he knows the difference between those two words. Of course, he also knows the difference between “liberal” and “fascist” but there you go.
But they miss why I’m ignoring it. I’m ignoring it because it is stale beyond words. He is correct that the policy elite has been behind the curve, but only someone blinded by his deep-seated and utterly conventional liberal-policy-elite passions would point to the tax cuts and the Iraq war as proof of the point or, more importantly, pretend that it is a novel insight.
So he’s right for the wrong reasons so I can pretend he’s wrong?
I don’t know about “least plausible”, but I did hold the title, albeit very briefly, of youngest person in the world. I do include that on my resume.
from ted’s link:
What is the significance of all this? To say I have no idea is quite an understatement, but it will have to do.
Nonetheless,
do you see the problem here, doughbob…?
Although some woman just said “Aren’t you cute?” to me, which is something I bet Jonah rarely hears
I seriously doubt that he has ever heard that or ever will. As to Krugthulhu denigrating people, he reserves that for flaming idiots who do not know what the fuck they are talking about (looking at you Pantload!).
only someone blinded by his deep-seated and utterly conventional liberal-policy-elite passions would point to the tax cuts and the Iraq war as proof of the point
You mean like the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office?
By “the tax cuts are over,” that NRO commenter meant (I think) that “Obama raised taxes so it’s a wash.” By “the wars are over,” he meant “Bush declared victory.” In the case of OBL, this meant noting that Osama is probably hiding in a cave, which makes him a loser, and beneath the consideration of the our winner president.
I’m not attacking Krugman for being an elitist. I’m laughing at him for trying to sound like he isn’t one.
Doughbob makes the error of confusing elite with elitist.
What’s wrong with being
sexyelite?Is every “debate post” by Jonah basically, “I’m right, so there!” with a vague reference to something the opponent said or did, but has little relevance to the issue at hand?
If so, I need to get into the dumbass political pundit business.
“I don’t know about “least plausible”, but I did hold the title, albeit very briefly, of youngest person in the world. I do include that on my resume.”
Steerpike, you just made my day. Up until now I thought being the world’s tallest midget was my best resume point. ROTFL!
Jonah, you do not want to go there; bitching about battles you lost decades ago (integration, womens’ lib, etc.) or even centuries ago (Gettysburg, Appomattox) practically defines conservatism these days. If we’re going to start throwing out old grievances, you might as well take a vow of silence and retire to some wingnut cloister in Silver Springs.
Correction: Colorado Springs. Makes a bit more sense that way.
Shorter Jonah: Krugman sucks because he never makes “Star Wars” references.
The bane of most conservatives today are those who do not worship at the feet of the ignorant, arrogant and whiny conservatives just because they exist
I think it has more to do with the fact that they fancy themselves intellectuals, when in reality their entire doctrine is nothing more than a negative reaction TO intellectualism.
Suggest to a conservative sometime that we have a look at our foreign policy and determine what parts of that might contribute to the radicalization of young, disaffected muslim men. This would be an intellectual approach–wherein we are seeking answers, seeking kinship through understanding, promoting peace and tranquility. To a conservative, this is coddling, appeasement, etc.
Conservatives are nothing more than assholes trying mask their poopy smell with pseudo intellectual bullshit.
But Krugman would have followed up by explaining why tax cuts and the Iraq war (or the equivalent on the other side of the aisle) were not proof of the point.
Jonah explained why: because liberals believe it. QED.
tsam:
And not trying very hard at that; I still can’t believe the chutzpah of conservatives whining about Democrats “scaring seniors” by pointing out that the Ryan budget is an attempt to gut Medicare after they spent over a year screaming about imaginary death panels.
“the radicalization of young, disaffected muslim men. This would be an intellectual approach–wherein we are seeking answers, seeking kinship through understanding, promoting peace and tranquility.”
It’s not even about that for me. I’m pragmatic. Whatever works. Obviously what we’re doing now ISN’T WORKING. It’s as simple as that.
Jonah, you do not want to go there; bitching about battles you lost decades ago (integration, womens’ lib, etc.) or even centuries ago (Gettysburg, Appomattox) practically defines conservatism
these days.Fixed that for ya. Conservatism is fixated on the past by definition.
Conservatism is fixated on the past by definition.
Well, really, they’re revanchists, which is why they needed to be constantly reminded that Francisco Franco is STILL DEAD. They do not try to conserve what is good, they try (rhetorically) to return us to an imagined better past. It’s that element of fantasy that separates them from what an imagined actual conservative would be.
Not sure I would dignify Doughbob with the label conservative, you actually have to have some smarts about you to carry a political philosophy. Doughbob just learned from his mommy how to kiss up and godwin down, and then ride wingnut welfare gravy-train.
A dog that learns to shit outside and do tricks for visitors is still a dog. It doesn’t mean he holds the same beliefs as his owners.
They played a clip this morning on NPR of Boner saying “the fact is, we can’t [raise taxes on the rich because they are going to invest that money or some such crap]”. Aside from the non-factual nature of the claim, and disregarding the counter-factual nature of the evidence of the policy, this raises an important question: is John Boner Gary Ruppert?
As for the substance of his argument. You’ve got to be kidding. The substance of his argument is the same junk he’s been screaming about for years. The Pope — chiefly through his belief that the Sun rotates around the Earth — is the source of all of our problems.
My critics who think I’m ignoring this argument may have a point. But they miss why I’m ignoring it. I’m ignoring it because it is stale beyond words. He is correct that the Catholic elite have been behind the curve, but only someone blinded by his deep-seated and utterly blasphemous astronomical passions would point to the seasons and the positions of heavenly bodies as proof of the point or, more importantly, pretend that it is a novel insight.
Jonah Goldberg’s ancestor, Josef der Lodenpantaloons, expounding on why Galileo was wrong.
I’m pragmatic
I would argue that pragmatism, as opposed to trying jam round ideals into square situations, is also a form of intellectualism.
What DOES Jonah understand?
As B^4 said a couple years back, Jonah understands that Combos cheese your hunger away.
Well, really, they’re revanchists, which is why they needed to be constantly reminded that Francisco Franco is STILL DEAD. They do not try to conserve what is good, they try (rhetorically) to return us to an imagined better past. It’s that element of fantasy that separates them from what an imagined actual conservative would be.
I put this in lay terms by saying that use Nick at Nite for a history book.
A dog that learns to shit outside and do tricks for visitors is still a dog. It doesn’t mean he holds the same beliefs as his owners.
Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.
Not to belittle you, but I suspect he has bigger knockers.
“I would argue that pragmatism, as opposed to trying jam round ideals into square situations, is also a form of intellectualism”
I won’t argue with that. Mostly because you’re prolly right…and I enjoy thinking of myself as an intellectual. 😉
“Not to belittle you, but I suspect he has bigger knockers.”
I laugh-snorted. He does have some knockas.
But whereas vs abhors a vacuum Jonah is simply vacuous.
I enjoy reading Jonah’s commenters almost as much as reading SN or Edroso take him apart. By the time Jonah gets around to saying something about the story du jour “his” observations are hackneyed, yet his fans seem ready to etch them on tablets. E.g.:
As B^4 said a couple years back, Jonah understands that Combos cheese your hunger away.
Which raises the question, why the hell is he in the “L.A. Times” writing bullshit opinion columns, rather than on the TeeVee being a goofy pitchman for the Sodium/HFCS Industrial Complex?
They do not try to conserve what is good, they try (rhetorically) to return us to an imagined better past. It’s that element of fantasy that separates them from what an imagined actual conservative would be.
Not only do they not try to conserve what’s good, I’d say that by definition, they try to conserve what’s bad.
Conservative movements define themselves in opposition to reformist ones. Reformist movements, in turn, usually emerge in reaction to what’s bad, not what’s good, about the existing order (people don’t want to overthrow the parts of the system that work, which is why, for example, the Progressive reformists of 100 years ago attacked class inequality, but didn’t attack representative government).
Conservatives aren’t needed to conserve what is good, because generally, both sides already agree that it should be conserved. As a result, the entire argument is about whether or not we should preserve the bad parts of the system – with conservatives invariably saying “yes.”
I got in my time-machine and found that Jonah was once tall and svelte and looked a lot like John Cleese:
“Not to belittle you, but I suspect he has bigger knockers”
When WILL the belittling occur, vs?
“Don’t get me wrong; I’m a better dresser [than Jonah Goldberg]”–vs
The suits are for public consumption; Goldberg works in haute-couture maternity clothes.
Not so much, unfortunately. See: Medicare, Social Security, etc.
The problem is, we have very different ideas of what constitutes “good.”
For the modern Conservative, “good” = “anyone outside my immediate tribe must be in poverty and chains” and “not only shouldn’t my side be taxed, we should get all your money too.”
Though, “Conservatives aren’t needed” I can agree with.
The suits are for public consumption
They are also for Jonah’s consumtion- they are made out of ham and other pork products.
These suits were made for walkin’…
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OT LOLs
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/breitbart-gets-pwned-pigford-attorne
PIRES: I don’t know who Mr. Breitbart is. He’s obviously not a farmer and he’s not a journalist — none of that’s even remotely true.
…
Who are you? Making fun of people who have the guts to take cases against the government. You don’t know anything about farming and litigation. You’re some gadfly from Hollywood. I looked you up. You’re some guy who didn’t have a job for ten years.
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Yeah, I know who you are. You’re some gadfly from Hollywood. You’re the son of a rich family, you never worked for a living in your life. You go around making fun of poor people, you go making fun of Indians and Blacks and Hispanics and women and I’m not putting up with it. I feel bad for you. You’re a sad, sad person. Why don’t you go get a job?
I Think VS is about ready for an out-of-body experience
Well, what I was going for was that progressives don’t generally set out to change things for the worst, so the idea that you’d need a conservative movement to “conserve what’s good” about the system is BS in the first place – the things that are good usually aren’t at stake.
Good point that they generally don’t care about conserving what’s good anyway, though their definition’s pretty different from ours.
Jonah’s commenters are even funnier:
We are to understand that, but for the Bush tax cuts and the two wars, the outlook for the federal budget would be just peachy. The tax cuts are over, the wars are over, and the policy train wreck that led to the 2008 meltdown is over. And if they are not over, they can be tomorrow, and we still have huge problems that have nothing to do with the aforementioned events. Krugman is just a policy wh*re who will write whatever is necessary to keep taking it to the bank.
Who knew the war was paid for per diem as it proceeded?
Shorter Jonah: Krugman sucks because he never makes “Star Wars” references.
The Krug wrote an entire econ paper on the Foundation series. He’s the thinking man’s geek.
The Krug wrote an entire econ paper on the Foundation series. He’s the thinking man’s geek.
Jonah and his commenters actually acknowledge that and mock him for it, because it’s not sophisticated enough for them.
Well, what I was going for was that progressives don’t generally set out to change things for the worst, so the idea that you’d need a conservative movement to “conserve what’s good” about the system is BS in the first place – the things that are good usually aren’t at stake
They want to preserve the time when white, propertied males ruled everything. They really don’t make much attempt to hide that, they liked it better when it read “All men* are created equal…”
They were the Tories in the revolution, they were the people who couldn’t let go of slavery–despite the fact that agriculture would have been sustainable without slavery, they fought reconstruction, suffrage, civil rights, collective bargaining and unionizing…
Essentially anything that’s good for anyone other than already rich white males, they hate.
Jonah and his commenters actually acknowledge that and mock him for it, because it’s not sophisticated enough for them.
Meaning that it’s sci-fi without explosions and bikinis?
gocart mozart said,
May 10, 2011 at 19:43
What I love is the friggin avalanche of stereotypes about liberal elitists… thrown at Breitbart.
“You’re from Hollywood.” “You didn’t have a job for ten years, get a job!” “You don’t know shit about the real world.” “You don’t have the balls to stand up to the government.” I was half expecting him to spell out S-O-A-P and W-O-R-K, Nixon-style. Well bloody done!
without explosions and bikinis?
Please, Comrade, don’t tell me I must do without explosions and bikinis.
Please, Comrade, don’t tell me I must do without explosions and bikinis.
Come the revolution, you’ll have fully-clothed discussion as a plot line AND LIKE IT.
Yah. I’ll go with that.
But again with “good” and such as. There is no such thing as a “common good” for these people. “Good” is zero-sum. Someone else being worse off is the same as them having more, as far as they’re concerned. You know… assholes.
Also, what tsam said @ 19:52.
Anyone want to guess which of the following phrases Jonah types in response to this?
A. Yeah, I mean, look
B. I don’t want to get too deep into the weeds
C. I don’t know enough about linguistics to have an opinion, but Chomsky sux
D. All of the above.
“they were the people who couldn’t let go of slavery–despite the fact that agriculture would have been sustainable without slavery”
Clearly, the cost of labor was not zero. The slaves had to be housed, fed and clothed. And, the slaveholders figured this was cheaper than just paying them for the work. Or was there something other than basic economics going on? I can’t imagine what that might have been……..
“They are not conservatives they are radicals” solves the hair-splitting. I suppose, though, that the word “conservative” is just debased and should not be used by people with sense. I mean, if you’re a conservative you can read Burke and see he didn’t want the apple cart upset; mind you he wasn’t in the position of seeing filthy peasants have access to his apples.
Essentially anything that’s good for anyone other than already rich white heterosexual Christian males, they hate.
There we go.
Chris’ point (about conservatives’ superfluity in the fight to preserve what’s good in society) is very interesting. It’s a valid generalization in spite of meaningful differences about what’s good.
Faced with ethical dilemmas, in which two or more values cannot be easily reconciled, conservatives invariably declare a clear win for whichever value(s) can best be rhetorically aligned with concrete furtherance of their class interests.
These ploys are not to be confused with arguing about what’s good for individuals and society. Good-faith arguments about what’s good would differ greatly, and have little to do with U.S. movement conservativism as I understand it. I would go so far as to say that part of the conservative schtick is to classify ethical dilemmas as more apparent than real; taking them seriously, an inability to transcend dilemmas “from the gut” and at once– these are symptoms of the liberal disease.
The phrase “ad hominem argument” is sometimes used to refer to a very different type of argument, namely, one that uses premisses accepted by the opposition to argue for a position. In other words, if you are trying to convince someone of something, using premisses that the person accepts—whether or not you believe them yourself. This is not necessarily a fallacious argument, and is often rhetorically effective.
This appears to describe “assuming arguendo“, not ad hominem. Not sure what the point is of misunderstanding Latin (ad hominem means “at the man”, the maker of argument; “arguendo” is a latin gerund, “arguing”, which is part of a longer phrase meaning, for the “sake of argument”, I forget the whole phrase, but it means pretty much what the quoted material above means. It’s not another form of “ad hominem”.
This appears to describe “assuming arguendo“, not ad hominem.
I was confused by that earlier. As far as I understand it ad hominem is fallacious when you assume or assert that an argument is bad because the person making it is bad. It’s the flip side of the “argument from authority” coin. Of course in the real world we have to rely on these to some degree–though I have no way to evaluate the quality of the advice in any given case, I’m going to take Dr. Hibbert’s instructions over Dr. Nick Riviera’s 100% of the time–it’s not strictly logical to do so.
Come the revolution, you’ll have fully-clothed discussion as a plot line AND LIKE IT.
I don’t know, Atlas Shrugged Part I could have benefited from some Molotov cocktails…
The revolution will not be vandalized.
Also, “ad homimen” in latin refers to a man, or a person, a “human”. I think to be more accurate, an attack on Goldgerg would be more likely rendered as “ad hominid”, or “to a humanoid”
I thought an ad hominem argument ignored the subject at hand and attacked the debate/argument opponent. Saying that Krugman is full of himself would be an ad hominem attack, since Jonah doesn’t have the chops to attack Krugman’s arguments on merit alone.
I just realized I think I’m essentially repeating what mark f just said.
So I’ll drop an “ahem” on myself.
Clearly, the cost of labor was not zero. The slaves had to be housed, fed and clothed. And, the slaveholders figured this was cheaper than just paying them for the work. Or was there something other than basic economics going on? I can’t imagine what that might have been……..
It probably has nothing to do with being able rape, beat, kill or torture another human with the cheerful blessing of the state and society.
But yes, let’s go ahead and let the scumbags make the Civil War about economics. That makes sense.
Or on maintaining the status quo — I’d argue that some ConservaDems would meet that definition.
Pryme said,
May 10, 2011 at 20:15
Yes–when you really think about it, this country started out pretty small…
“I don’t know, Atlas Shrugged Part I could have benefited from some Molotov cocktails…”
Maybe with part II they can get things to blow up real good:
Saying that Krugman is full of himself would be an ad hominem attack
I think that’s the casual use. Technically I think it would be saying that Krugman’s argument is wrong because he’s full of himself. But I’m not really sure. If only there were some sort of “site” on the “web” that was an “engine” by which I could “search” for the answer. Alas.
Faced with ethical dilemmas, in which two or more values cannot be easily reconciled, conservatives invariably declare a clear win for whichever value(s) can best be rhetorically aligned with concrete furtherance of their class interests.
Hold it–I have to take issue with the possessive use of class interests…There are lots and lots of poor, working class “conservatives” who are actually willing to take “2nd Amendment remedies” to preserve the wealth and privelige ruling class.
But I’m not really sure. If only there were some sort of “site” on the “web” that was an “engine” by which I could “search” for the answer. Alas.
If one ever appears on the internetz, we must check it out.
Imagine putting your question in a container and getting an answer back just as soon as the vacuums could deliver the correspondence through the tubes.
Pretty sure that technology is years away. That’s like cold fusion, man.
Clearly, the cost of labor was not zero. The slaves had to be housed, fed and clothed. And, the slaveholders figured this was cheaper than just paying them for the work. Or was there something other than basic economics going on? I can’t imagine what that might have been……..
I figure a big part of it was simply conspicuous consumption, actually. Owning slaves was a status symbol: people had them back then the same way today they have yachts, helicopters, private jets and whatever else it is people have to broadcast “Look! I’m rich!” It probably would have cost a lot less to have cotton picked by rednecks, Irishmen and freed blacks, but where’s the glamor in that?
It’s probably also a big reason why it stung so much when Northern states passed laws telling them they couldn’t bring their slaves with them when they traveled up there. How are those Yankee merchants supposed to know how important I am if I can’t show off? Without my slaves, I’m practically just a hillbilly!
I suppose there would need to be a vast team of people to pare the potential responses down to something most likely to be the desired response.
It’s probably also a big reason why it stung so much when Northern states passed laws telling them they couldn’t bring their slaves with them when they traveled up there. How are those Yankee merchants supposed to know how important I am if I can’t show off? Without my slaves, I’m practically just a hillbilly!
Can’t really dispute that. I feel an element of sadism involved too, though. It bears mentioning that this coincides with the Industrial Revolution, and Northern factory workers didn’t have it much better than slaves in the South. Same shit, different geographical area.
I suppose there would need to be a vast team of people to pare the potential responses down to something most likely to be the desired response.
And an even larger team to ensure that every search “accidentally” returns one or more porn site.
“And an even larger team to ensure that every search “accidentally” returns one or more porn site.”
I can’t imagine there existing more than, um, 33 rules more important than that one.
Former Gov Gary Johnson is right. For all we know, he may even think that fascism and liberalism are two different things. This is to say that he has zero chance.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/10/gary-johnson-sharia-not-a-problem/
There’s a legend passed down
of a fat wingnut clown
the sadlynauts all like to laugh at–
the name of this choad
is the Doughy Pantload,
a pathetic conservative asshat.
If you read him you’ll find
he has a slow mind,
much slower than any sloth three-toed.
As fat gasbags go, he’s far bigger than most,
with his lips and his fingers well-cheetoh’d.
(From “The Wreck of J. Loadpants Goldberg”)
Gordon Lightfoot wins the internets.
Former Gov Gary Johnson is right.
I see what you did there!
This is to say that he has zero chance.
Sadly, yes.
My gut reaction would be “congratulations, you have enough brains to fill a teaspoon. What do you want, a cookie?” But given his constituency, I actually do have to give him credit. Sort of.
Chris (Johnson) is right!
Want some ice cream?
Does rule #34 apply to logical fallacies? What would post hoc ergo propter hoc porn look like? Or do I not want to know?
The phrase “ad hominem argument” is sometimes used to refer to a very different type of argument, namely, one that uses premisses accepted by the opposition to argue for a position. In other words, if you are trying to convince someone of something, using premisses that the person accepts—whether or not you believe them yourself. This is not necessarily a fallacious argument, and is often rhetorically effective.
I think that’s the casual use. Technically I think it would be saying that Krugman’s argument is wrong because he’s full of himself. But I’m not really sure. If only there were some sort of “site” on the “web” that was an “engine” by which I could “search” for the answer. Alas.
this is where i got that from…do i haz a bad?
Wow! If this isn’t the pot calling the lawn black or what? At least Krugman earned his money pinhead.
Chris (Johnson) is right!
Want some ice cream?
Now who can argue with that?
Did someone mention Gordon Lightfoot?
Btw, for those who didn’t know, Krugman’s cats are named Doris Lessing and Albert Einstein.
Don’t say I never do nuttin’ for ya, Sadlies.
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it’s not that Jonah is dumb, it’s that he keeps saying dumb stuff.
Mine are named Curly and LarryElvis, but I normally only share their videos with Atriots.
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it’s not that Jonah is dumb, it’s that he keeps saying dumb stuff.
Hmmm. I’m not sure we have mutual exclusivity happenin’ up in heah.
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Howard Johnson said what needed to be said.
Gordon Lightfoot for the win!
Fair nuff Jefferson, but mine avoids the ad hominem, and address the meat of his argument. which is dumb independent of his faculties.
Insult:
“You’re an asshole, and your argument is wrong.”
Ad Hominem:
“You’re an asshole, therefore your argument is wrong.”
My cat has one of the best cat names of all time: Eartha Kitty.
You know, Catwoman. “purrrrrr-fect, Batman…”
My cat has one of the best cat names of all time: Eartha Kitty.
Haw — yesss!
LarryElvis was just gonna be Larry (I was going to have Curly, Larry and Moe), but his pound name was Elvis, and I liked the absurdity of LarryElvis for some reason.
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Might as well get in on this: I named my cats Alan and Catrick.
“mine avoids the ad hominem, and address the meat of his argument”
The meat of his argument is missing. Somebody ate it.
The meat of his argument is missing. Somebody ate it.
and i think we know who…
I assume Tintin already knows that Donalde is getting kind of creepy-stalkerish, but in case he is not, well, now he knows.
And No Moe: My cat ambition dried up before I got a Moe. Really, two’s enough, anyway.
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The meat of his argument is missing. Somebody ate it.
So… the problem with conservatives’ arguments is too many vegetables?
Why doesn’t anyone just directly confront those idiot Republicans about “Sharia Law”?
Here’s an idea:
Mr. (Insert idiot’s name here), please name ONE place in America where there has been a valid threat of Sharia Law being enacted.
Follow up question:
Why do you want Americans to be afraid of a fairy tale?
So… the problem with conservatives’ arguments is too many vegetables?
Too little meat, and slugs have more motion.
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Eartha Kitty!
Jennifer’s cat for the win.
I assume Tintin already knows that Donalde is getting kind of creepy-stalkerish
And blaming Arnold for the outing. Fucking dick.
“Why do you want Americans to be afraid of a fairy tale?”
The churches have done pretty well with that approach for a long, long time. It’s been proved effective.
Also, Color me surprised.
“Mr. (Insert idiot’s name here), please name ONE place in America where there has been a valid threat of Sharia Law being enacted.”
Well since “sharia” is just a muslimy word that means “religious”, I think about half the country is under some threat of relegious law being imposed albeit a christian form of sharia.
Im loving the cat names so far. Wish mine were so cleverly named. Alas, I’ll have to make do with
Lily
Cotton
Pippi
“And No Moe: My cat ambition dried up before I got a Moe. Really, two’s enough, anyway.”
This is true. 1 or 2 cats = normal person, 3 or > = (dangerously close to crazy cat person territory) IMHO.
So he’s right for the wrong reasons so I can pretend he’s wrong?
More that “He’s been right consistently for a number of years so I can pretend he’s wrong.”
“Also, Color me surprised.”
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW
1 or 2 cats = normal person, 3 or > = (dangerously close to crazy cat person territory) IMHO.
“Multiple Cat Syndrome”. Because ‘pet hoarding’ is such a pejorative term.
“There are lots and lots of poor, working class ‘conservatives’ who are actually willing to take ‘2nd Amendment remedies’ to preserve the wealth and [privilege of the] ruling class.”–tsam
Those people are generally wannabes, vassals, and wannabe vassals. What do they want? Are these rights or privileges? They may figure they can get more in the form of privileges extended by a liege. And it’s true that canny dictators tread lightly. Never micromanage what can take care of itself, without jeopardizing one’s position.
It’s nice to be free to burn leaves in your yard without fear of getting fined. I think conservatives are hoping that their favored ruling class will only dominate to the least necessary degree. Then the conservative rank-and-file will be free to do almost anything in their respective fiefdoms, they may think, except upset the greater order.
Let me clarify. There is not anything wrong with having three cats but it does cross a tipping point and within 18 months there is a good chance you will end up like this person.
Cat hording ROCKS
This is true. 1 or 2 cats = normal person
Well, I’ve had Curly (the fat tabby) since June, 2003. I had just left a job where I was asked to steal for a Fortune 100 company (headed by a very politically-connected family, and formerly headed by a current governor who looks a lot like Lex Luthor), and living on my 401K. When I finally got somewhere to even look at my resume, it was December, 2006. When I got the job offer, I decided I needed to get Curly a buddy, since I was going to be gone all day, and he would probably freak completely out. So, to the Humane Society I go, and back I come with LarryElvis (in a cardboard box, on a scooter, no less).
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The official limit in Los Angeles is no more than three cats & three dogs per household. More than that qualifies one as a crazy cat/dog person.
Never had more than four at a time myself.
It was hard for me to turn away Pippi, who was a feral, stray kitten. If that makes me crazy, I’m ok with that.
Btw, for those who didn’t know, Krugman’s cats are named Doris Lessing and Albert Einstein
Well now. I guess this means everything Krugman says that involves economics is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Are you using the whole of the cat?
Since we are all giving our cat stories . . .
We had a cat named Zappa who was hit by a car a few years ago, we went to the pet store to get one kitten and came home with two. They were buddies and my wife said “Please can we get them both?” What else could I do? Names are Genghis Khan and Boo Boo.
Well now. I guess this means everything Krugman says that involves economics is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Indeed… central… point… snarf.
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There is not anything wrong with having three cats but it does cross a tipping point
Mehitabel the Abyssinian, Mrs Spat and Doodleberry Fairypoo Detritus III all take issue with that assertion.
headed by a very politically-connected family, and formerly headed by a current governor who looks a lot like Lex Luthor
I think that was vague enough for Google, but pointed enough for thinking human beans. 😉
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Btw, for those who didn’t know, Krugman’s cats are named Doris Lessing and Albert Einstein
“Well now. I guess this means everything Krugman says that involves economics is WRONG WRONG WRONG.”
That would be argumentum ad feline nomun
You can hoard a horde of cats, but not the other way around.
That would be argumentum ad feline nomun
Which makes me the most credible man in the UNIVERSE.
There is not anything wrong with having three cats but it does cross a tipping point
I have six now. Four belonged to dead or disabled relatives, and no other relative was willing to take any responsibility for them. I can either live with way too many cats, drop them at an already-overburdened shelter, or euthanize them.
Can you herd a horde? No. Can you herd a hoard? No.
Therefore, Krugman is not to be taken seriously.
Did Wookies hoard cats on Endor?
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Well Malaclypse, WWARD? (What would Ayn Rand do?)
This I think.
Is hoarding now a euphemism?
That would be argumentum ad feline nomun
The argumentum ad numeris felidae is also INVALID.
It’s probably also a big reason why it stung so much when Northern states passed laws telling them they couldn’t bring their slaves with them when they traveled up there. How are those Yankee merchants supposed to know how important I am if I can’t show off? Without my slaves, I’m practically just a hillbilly!
When we were in New Orleans, we visited a couple of the plantations. Listening to the description of the lifestyles there (even when the word “slaves” was excised), I also think that after a generation or two, many of the slaveowners became hopeless without someone to do everyday tasks for them. Really, the entire system was predicated on the fact that slave labor was cheaper and easier than doing things yourself or finding more efficient ways to do them.
But yeah, also status. One of the things was that when a patriarch died, his entire estate was to be assessed, and slaves became by far the largest part of it. Saw one assessment where the silver collection was the largest furnishing item, at 500 bucks, but some of the slaves were assessed at a couple thousand dollars each. So obviously, more=richer.
I have just the one cat. Her name is Neko-Hashi. She thinks that one cat is JUST FINE and is horrified at the idea of having any other animals in the home except for the occasional water bug. (The water bugs are fine because Neko-Hashi makes sure that their encroachment is temporary.)
I assume Tintin already knows that Donalde is getting kind of creepy-stalkerish, but in case he is not, well, now he knows.
This is extra-funny because it precisely illustrates just how effing stupid & incompetent El Donaldo is.
Not sure how the Pauli exclusion principle works with cats. Schrodinger can only have two cats in his box if they are fermions.
Does anyone want to see what a half-Wookie, half-kitty creature would look like now? No? Just me?
Keep Pauli away from the cats and she will have a long life of badgering you for crackers.
tsam said,
May 10, 2011 at 22:08
I assume Tintin already knows that Donalde is getting kind of creepy-stalkerish
And blaming Arnold for the outing. Fucking dick.
Not to broadcast my sources, but I am in possession of first hand knowledge that The Donalde is, as in so many other instances, hilariously wrong. And stupidly malicious.
Again.
Sympathy for the guy he erroneously outed though.
Remember: ALL. ONE. GUY.
found in search for Wookie-kitten
our cat names:
corbu (RIP)
attilla (later shortened to Tiller) (RIP)
Toby.
We’re getting lazier.
Not to broadcast my sources, but I am in possession of first hand knowledge that The Donalde is, as in so many other instances, hilariously wrong.
But but but EVERYBODY KNOWS it is true! OBVIOUSLY!
Wtf? Let’s try this again.
Random chubby kitten
That’s what Donalde gets for reading Amy Alkon & drawing conclusions therefrom.
This is extra-funny because it precisely illustrates just how effing stupid & incompetent El Donaldo is.
this too.
Our first two cats were from a family members’ farm, the third was a rescue.
Cats: ultimate renewable resource, but you can’t harness ’em or the Humane Society people get upset.
I think this is what Donalde’s after.
just to help the Donalde out in future endeavours:
I’m Brian! And so is my wife!
donald Douglas.
Amy Alkon.
DDAA.
abacab.
THINK ABOUT IT. DONALD DOUGLAS IS PHIL COLLINS.
Wtf? Let’s try this again.
Random chubby kitten
vs has been feeding that kitten cocaine.
No cats presently, but for awhile I was privileged to share living quarters with the King of Cats, who deigned to answer (occasionally) to the name Zig-Zag. (I told my mom it was because he had stripes–she bought it). His majesty was a benevolent monarch, for the most part, put he would not tolerate lese-majeste for one minute. Never would he allow any mere human to forget just whose veins carried royal blood, and who was there to provide food, water, catnip mice and massage for the exalted one.
Latest from Donalde Douglase is <A a comment in a LGM thread consisting of “I WIN!” repeated 160 times to buttress the strength of his argument.
Never before has a point been made with such care or so many “I WIN”s.
“vs has been feeding that kitten cocaine.”
More like cheeseburgers. Little chubber.
i have many cat stories to tell
Like playing the banjo or accordion, telling cat stories is something that one can do but does not.
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Never before has a point been made with such care or so many “I WIN”s.”
I consulted my Internet Argument Handbook, and technically this means he DOES win. Sorry!
Carl Salonen is Tintin? Actually, I’m still trying to find out: ‘Carl Salonen of Sadly No! Not a Welcome Topic at Brendan Keefe’s Blog”. Tintin stopped returning my tweets once I checked with him on this. And so did BJ Keefe, Tintin’s Twitter buddy, who has also banned me from his blog for just asking about Salonen: So,actually, my bet is that Alkon knows exactly who she’s talking about. Nice try though, fucknozzle losers.
I got out of the boat and now I feel I am a lesser person for it.
Smut Clyde: Idiot, I’m NOT claiming “I WIN.” I’m mocking Malaclypse’s “Bingo” “I WIN.”
Duh. You so smart!!
Such a thing COULD NOT BE.
I think Donald Douglas sleeps with an inflatable anatomically correct Tinton doll next to him.
.” I’m mocking Malaclypse’s “Bingo” “I WIN.”
well then, yr doing it wrong…
I hope you’re betting a lot. At any rate, that is probably someone’s real name, and no one appreciates real names being tied to pseudonyms, right or wrong. It’s childish, bullying, and assholish, and while I know we shouldn’t expect better considering your and her past behavior, I’m still surprised at the depths you lot will sink to.
So,actually, my bet is that Alkon knows exactly who she’s talking about. Nice try though, fucknozzle losers.
Nice try, fucknozzle loser. Perhaps you got blocked because you are an annoying, abusive asshole?
Again, you are wrong. And I have better sources than Arnold Alkon.
Hah! Hah!
also, what Tigris said.
It’s clearly an attempt to intimidate.
the next step is usually to attempt to call the person’s employer.
I have it on good authority that Donald Douglas’ real name is Dexter McPoopypants.
It was a real dick move but I guess that comes naturally to him.
Posting real names is like the only Sadly, No-No. Even though wrong, wouldn’t be surprised to see teh Donalde banned for it. Wouldn’t be sad either.
Of course, being an idiot, he will take it as vindication.
It was a real dick move but I guess that comes naturally to him.
I think it’s the only move he knows.
I have never been mocked by Dexter Poopypants. I feel left out. Maybe he’s ascared to!
I have it on good authority that Donald Douglas’ real name is Dexter McPoopypants.
NO, IT’S PHIL COLLINS! ALL! ONE! GUY!!
Idiot, I’m NOT claiming “I WIN.”
If you’ll read his comment again you’ll note Smut didn’t say you were claiming you won. Try aloud, it might help.
“And if I saw Donald Douglas drowning, I would not lend a hand . . .
Bump-Ba-Bump Ba-Bump-Bump-Bump!
What would post hoc ergo propter hoc porn look like?
Propter? I ‘ardly know ‘er!
tintin ISREAL
tigris, I think you should have typed that slower ’cause he may still not understand.
Idiot, I’m NOT claiming “I WIN.”
Notice the masterfully analytical, quantitative description of the LGM comment in question. Notice the lack of attribution as to who was claiming to have won.
What would post hoc ergo propter hoc porn look like?
“Propter? I ‘ardly know ‘er!”
Funny!
Re: Post Hoc Ergo Fuck Me Hoc:
In all seriousness, just because I get a blow job every time I wear my lucky boxer shorts does not mean that the boxer shorts causes me to get a blow job.
This is a hypothetical. I wish I had lucky boxer shorts.
tigris, I think you should have typed that slower
…and let me get my comment in FIRST.
“I think Donald Douglas sleeps with an inflatable anatomically correct Tinton doll next to him.”
14″ ion powered dildos are not anatomically correct.
The Loser Stink on The Donalde is almost overpowering. Yes, trying to out someone is surely a dick move, and surely one of the few that The Donalde knows (how could he know anything else?).
The essence of a dick move is the utter incapacity to do anything else. It’s the “I’ll fuck up your bike when you are not looking,” or “I’ll steal your baseball glove to get even” childishness that only the most broken of children pursue.
As an adult, The Donalde is beyond the pity a child elicits. Contempt is too much an investment.
Which leaves mockery.
Relentless, pointed mockery.
Fuckin’ Wow! How old is this guy because the kids in my grammar school would have called him a big dork.
Also,
I think Donald Douglas sleeps with an inflatable anatomically correct Malaclypse doll next to him also.
Donald Douglas says:
May 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@Malaclypse
Would love to hear of your “real accomplishments”? Dumbest progressive troll loser on the web? Perfect! An Internet tradition! Sweet. And what was your name, er, Malaclypse. Big tough anonymous guy, BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!
But keep saying this. Others will look past the idiocy and might believe you, dolt.
WINNING!!:
I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!
They would have given him a wedgie also.
Wow. Always trust the shorter indeed!
‘Posting real names is like the only Sadly, No-No. Even though wrong, wouldn’t be surprised to see teh Donalde banned for it. Wouldn’t be sad either.’
You’d be sad, dickwad.
And Carl commented at my original Alkon post claming he was being slandered. It’s all at my blog. Who cares, anyway? I don’t. But perhaps some Sadly targets might have some attorneys who care to contact Sadly admins, so that explains the lame denials. Fail.
My neighbor had a cat named Donald Douglas that killed itself at the earliest opportunity.
Donalde’s mom must be so proud. Funny, she didn’t mention it last night though. Must’ve been the ballgag.
TINTIN ISREAL
.” I’m mocking Malaclypse’s “Bingo” “I WIN.”
Donalde, I’m always happy when I can get you to jump through hoops that make you look like the dim-witted spittle-flecked troll we both know you are.
oH SHAIT. ThaTs a rREpeat joke.
Sorry, WC.
I think Donald Douglas sleeps with an inflatable anatomically correct Malaclypse doll next to him also.
Gocart, I now hate you. While I am flattered by Donalde’s clear interest, he’s really not my type. I prefer my partners to be in the half of the population with IQs over 100.
“There are lots and lots of poor, working class ‘conservatives’ who are actually willing to take ’2nd Amendment remedies’ to preserve the wealth and [privilege of the] ruling class.”–tsam
Those people are generally wannabes, vassals, and wannabe vassals. What do they want? Are these rights or privileges? They may figure they can get more in the form of privileges extended by a liege.
The party line is that everything will work for the best if we just remove every possible tax and inhibition from the super-rich, so, yes, that is how a lot of people see it. Then there’s the people who realize that’s bullshit, but who hate Democratic constituencies so much that they’re okay with falling back into third world serfdom as long as they drag the rest of us down with them (minority but pretty powerful).
And then there’s the people who hate Democratic constituencies so much that they’ll continue to blame us all the way down as the lieges strip them of their privileges one by one. (Big overlap between that category and the first two).
Dexter McPoopypants III
Fckst.
Dammit tsam, at least gimme a chance to AHEM you.
Damn, this Donalde Douglas guy is desparate for hits. His need for attention clings to him like a toxic melange of fear sweat, cigarette smoke, and Drakkar Noir.
I prefer my partners to be in the half of the population with IQs over 100.
That’s BRAINSISM.
Bigot.
I’m officially scratching you OFF my list of potential sex partners, Mataclypse.
What would post hoc ergo propter hoc porn look like?
post fuck ergo copter fuck, == rear entry then passion propeller.
Uh, make that “desperate”… sheesh, his presence on this thread is ennervating and injurious to the thought processes.
So,actually, my bet is that Alkon knows exactly who she’s talking about
I’ll take that bet.
“My neighbor had a cat named Donald Douglas that killed itself at the earliest opportunity.”
Tying the thread together, job well done. If only your cat had a doughy pantload we could end this whole internet experiment on a high note.
Dammit tsam, at least gimme a chance to AHEM you
If you want a second mea culpa, go ahead lay down that AHEM
I’m officially scratching you OFF my list of potential sex partners, Mataclypse.
At least you won’t catch the Malaclap.
I’m officially scratching you OFF my list of potential sex partners, Mataclypse.
I suspect my wife will approve of your list revision.
I guess it’s now Donalde Douglas of Sadly, No!
At least you won’t catch the Malaclap.
Nyuk nyuk nyuk
I guess it’s now Donalde Douglas of Sadly, No!
Yesssss, join us Donnie, and together, we shall rule the galaxy.
“Gocart, I now hate you. While I am flattered by Donalde’s clear interest, he’s really not my type. ”
Never meant to imply that the interest was reciprical.
the next step is usually to attempt to call the person’s employer.
Good thing none of us is employed.
I suspect my wife will approve of your list revision.
Fine. WHAT. EVER.
the next step is usually to attempt to call the person’s employer.
I do not think El Donaldo would like anyone contacting his Charter School for Sheep Herders.
“I guess it’s now Donalde Douglas of Sadly, No!”
No! Contains too much poop in violation of Sadly, No! health code regulations. Yes, there can be too much poop.
tsam, I will always have more lust in my heart for you than I do for Donalde.
tsam, I will always have more lust in my heart for you than I do for Donalde.
Awww, that’s sweet.
And Carl commented at my original Alkon post claming he was being slandered. It’s all at my blog. Who cares, anyway? I don’t.
Ahh…I think you care just a wee bit too much. Just a smidge, know what I’m sayin’?
That Community College Perfessin’ not keeping you busy enough, huh?
Ha! Silly Sadlynaughts! I Win!
My cats have all run away to go Galt!
Le Donalde sed: It’s all at my blog. Who cares, anyway?
BOTH of your readers care.
I Win!
Keep fucking that chicken, Donnie. Yell loud enough, and maybe you will be able to drown out the voice that is always there, reminding you that you will always be a punchline to a Sasquatch joke. Yep, keep fucking that chicken.
I guess it’s now Donalde Douglas of Sadly, No!
OMG OMG OMG it’s TINTIN in a superb double-fake-out meta-troll! Ooh ooh AND he’s also ALKON! The whole universe makes sense now that I’ve beaten my head enough with that crab mallet.
BOTH of your readers care.
Mom and Dad have to read it.
Otherwise, no cat food.
Oooh, Cicero would rip his tongue out, wouldn’t he?
Trump=Donalde=Phil Collins=Dexter Mcpoopypants.
Once you see it, its very obvious.
tsam, I will always have more lust in my heart for you than I do for Donalde.
HOT.
At least you won’t catch the Malaclap.
Something something putter something golf clap.
One can never have enough crab mallet
“My cats have all run away to go Galt!”
First of all, LOL
Second of all, whatever will we do when cats go Galt and deny us their hairballs and indifference?
The whole universe makes sense now that I’ve beaten my head enough with that crab mallet.
Making zrm hungry, aren’t we?
BOTH of your readers care.
He “recommends” his students read it.
I guess it’s now Donalde Douglas of Sadly, No!
You comment it, you own it!
The fact that this Carl Salonen dude lives in Manhattan, while Tintin is in Belgium, is central to Donalde’s point. Good thing Donalde is not obsessively stalking someone demonstrably not the right guy. I, Gary Ruppert, Secret Mastermind Behind All That Is Sadly, No, can vouch that Donalde is correct, and Manhattan is actually in Europe.
PUNCHLINE ISREAL
deny us their hairballs and indifference?
NOOOOOOO!
Speak not of such atrocities!
tsam, I will always have more lust in my heart for you than I do for Donalde.
HOT.
I know, right? I’m giggling like a schoolgirl!
Whoa–that added a creepy element to this otherwise perfectly normal exchange, doesn’t it? Shit.
Audio or it didn’t happen.
Oh, it happened.
Audio is at my website–along with other selected audio and video files which will likely leave you needing lots and lots of therapy.
I know, right? I’m giggling like a schoolgirl!
Whoa–that added a creepy element to this otherwise perfectly normal exchange, doesn’t it? Shit.
Creepy? I don’t know, do have the legs to pull off the skirt*?
*Unveiled unveiling reference.
Audio or it didn’t happen.
It happened in my heart, where I will always treasure the memory.
Donalde, I’m always happy when I can get you to jump through hoops that make you look like the dim-witted spittle-flecked troll we both know you are.
Frankly, he always looks like a pathetic dim-witted spittle-flecked troll, but it is kind of entertaining watching him jump through hoops to do it.
It happened in my heart, where I will always treasure the memory.
HAH!
Creepy? I don’t know, do have the legs to pull off the skirt*?
I don’t wear skirts since “The Incident”
but it is kind of entertaining watching him jump through hoops to do it.
‘Specially when you hold the hoop right up to a brick wall! Gets him every time!
Carl Salonen- or Who is Pink Oboe???
” I’m giggling like a schoolgirl!”
NOT hot.
Frankly, he always looks like a pathetic dim-witted spittle-flecked troll, but it is kind of entertaining watching him jump through hoops to do it.
You only say that because we are Partners in Evil.
Well, actually, my cat has a little problem. … How shall I put this? … She has very long hair and she is a bit negligent in cleaning up her nether regions. So, once a week or so, I have to take the special Doughy Pantload scissors – which are used for nothing else – and snip off some of her doughy pantload.
So, I guess that’s it for the Internet. Been fun. Time to move on. I’m thinking of taking up ham radio.
You only say that because we are Partners in Evil.
It is the Code of the Legions of the Damned.
Aw, did I miss a visit by the donalde?
How are things down at LBCC?
How are things down at LBCC?
Donalde tells me he wins. Granted, he needed to wipe the spittle (Please, Cthulhu, let that have been spittle) off his monitor, but I guess he showed me. Or something.
“You only say that because we are Partners in Evil.”
ho. Lee. Fuck.
Donalde, Donalde, Donalde. Toilet paper is not reusable as facial tissues.
This settles it. tsam/Malaclypse slashfic forthcoming.
This settles it. tsam/Malaclypse slashfic forthcoming.
I want a Safe Word.
The cat who is starting to become ours was apparently abandoned by the previous owners when this house was foreclosed on. She is a cute little fuzzy ball of neediness and abandonment issues, and we call her Tsundere because she tends to run hot and cold temperamentally.
Aside: Tintin can surely do something with this Andrew Breitpart photo!
What did that Snuggie do to deserve that?
The really scary part is that I saw it at fandom_secrets with a sort of “I’d hit it caption”. shudder
I’d hit it. Where’s my bat?
The really scary part is that I saw it at fandom_secrets with a sort of “I’d hit it caption”
Was the cation “I’d hit it” or “I’d hit it in the jimmies, repeatedly”? Because while I do not normally approve of violence, I can sympathize with the latter.
Damn you, vs. Aren’t you supposed to be off writing smut?
Was the cation “I’d hit it” or “I’d hit it in the jimmies, repeatedly”?
Sadly, not the latter.
(check back) It says “I want to do filthy things with him backstage at a Tea Party rally. (OMG, SRSLY? This is appalling even by my standards.)”
Now I suppose that could mean “I want to hold him down and shit in his mouth” but there’s no real way of knowing.
SHE IS.
I’d hit it. Where’s my bat?
I wouldn’t hit it with your bat. I would have to get waaay to close and might get spillage on me.
Cat poop stories !!!!
What else did I miss?
Who do you think could win in a chess game between Batman and Sherlock Holmes?
Cat poop stories !!!!
What else did I miss?
The Donalde. But I repeat myself.
Ba da boom.
You’re welcome.
Ya know, I was just thinking about Sherlock today. I figured I wouldn’t actually like to hang out with him. Seems like an ass. Plus, wouldn’t share the blow .
Holmes offers to share his cocaine with Watson in the second story.
Who do you think could win in a chess game between Batman and Sherlock Holmes?
The Joker. And maybe Moriarty.
herlock Holmes took his bottle from the corner of the mantelpiece, and his hypodermic syringe from its neat morocco case. With his long, white, nervous fingers he adjusted the delicate needle and rolled back his left shirtcuff. For some little time his eyes rested thoughtfully upon the sinewy forearm and wrist, all dotted and scarred with innumerable puncture-marks. Finally, he thrust the sharp point home, pressed down the tiny piston, and sank back into the velvet-lined armchair with a long sigh of satisfaction.
Three times a day for many months I had witnessed this performance, but custom had not reconciled my mind to it. On the contrary, from day to day I had become more irritable at the sight, and my conscience swelled nightly within me at the thought that I had lacked the courage to protest. Again and again I had registered a vow that I should deliver my soul upon the subject; but there was that in the cool, nonchalant air of my companion which made him the last man with whom one would care to take anything approaching to a liberty. His great powers, his masterly manner, and the experience which I had had of his many extraordinary qualities, all made me diffident and backward in crossing him.
Yet upon that afternoon, whether it was the Beaune which I had taken with my lunch or the additional exasperation produced by the extreme deliberation of his manner, I suddenly felt that I could hold out no longer.
“Which is it to-day,” I asked, “morphine or cocaine?”
He raised his eyes languidly from the old black-letter volume which he had opened.
“It is cocaine,” he said, “a seven-per-cent solution. Would you care to try it?”
“No, indeed,” I answered brusquely. “My constitution has not got over the Afghan campaign yet. I cannot afford to throw any extra strain upon it.”
He smiled at my vehemence. “Perhaps you are right, Watson,” he said. “I suppose that its influence is physically a bad one. I find it, however, so transcendently stimulating and clarifying to the mind that its secondary action is a matter of small moment.”
“But consider!” I said earnestly. “Count the cost! Your brain may, as you say, be roused and excited, but it is a pathological and morbid process which involves increased tissue-change and may at least leave a permanent weakness. You know, too, what a black reaction comes upon you. Surely the game is hardly worth the candle. Why should you, for a mere passing pleasure, risk the loss of those great powers with which you have been endowed? Remember that I speak not only as one comrade to another but as a medical man to one for whose constitution he is to some extent answerable.”
He did not seem offended. On the contrary, he put his finger-tips together, and leaned his elbows on the arms of his chair, like one who has a relish for conversation.
“My mind,” he said, “rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work,
Oops. Cut off the beginning “s” there. Plus it was too long.
Sorry.
Sherlock vs. Batman at chess: I would pick Sherlock 3 out of 5.
Not with me he didn’t.
Bullshit. You do not understand how awesome the Bataqueen is.
The Joker. And maybe Moriarty.
MYCROFT.
MYCROFT.
Would you like some ointment?
Mycroft is being played by Stephen Fry in the next movie. That makes him doubly-awesome.
Stephen Fry
The red-head from Futurama?
Who do you think could win in a chess game between Batman and Sherlock Holmes?
Piderman!
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Look, I like Futurama as much as the next geek, but please don’t blaspheme against Stephen Fry.
Would you like some ointment?
I can only think of naughty things to say to this, but have decided such a response would be beneath me. LIKE YOUR MOM.
Besides, Sherlock only offered because he knew Watson would decline.
THAT’S why he’s an asshole.
Hello. I want all the gay men In The Place to come and have love me. Sailers board me now.
please don’t blaspheme against Stephen Fry.
For the record, Stephen Fry is a plonker and a noddie in “Wagner & Me”. Suffice to say that the emphasis of the movie is on the second half of the title.
I DO love the argument that monied people somehow forfeit the right to be concerned about those who are struggling.
Jesus said it best: “Sell all that you have and give it to the poor, if you give a shit about the poor. If you don’t, then pile up the toys.”
The Joker. And maybe Moriarty.
The Joker would make the chessboard… disappear.
Look, I like Futurama as much as the next geek, but please don’t blaspheme against Stephen Fry.
Mein roommate is a huge fan of British TV shows, and just introduced me to Jeeves and Wooster, starring Stephen Fry as the butler. Good show. Looking forward to him as Mycroft.
I DO love the argument that monied people somehow forfeit the right to be concerned about those who are struggling.
They’ll never stop hating FDR, or trying to repeal the New Deal. If only Obama would stop listening to them.
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Jeeves isn’t a butler. A butler is the senior male servant in a large staff of servants. Jeeves is the only servant of Wooster, making him a valet; a “gentleman’s personal gentleman” (insert joke here).
MYCROFT.
It is not fair that you bring heinous things like Windows into thsi discussion.
I mean, we already had Donalde.
Also, golf claps for the mockery while I was elsewhere. I would offer you all drinks, but hey…. I figure I could use em anyway,
A butler is the senior male servant in a large staff of servants.
Presumably the senior female servant would be the butla.
Also, golf claps for the mockery while I was elsewhere.
More zombie mockery at my place.
If only Obama would stop listening to them.
or most of the Democrats.
Sigh. I remember when there was an opposition party.
More zombie mockery at my place.
really?
Actually, I guess I expected that.
Nope, housekeeper.
really?
It’s not my fault. The Google searches made me do it.
*correct it, also.
housekeeper
I thought that was Cuddy.
I’ve only seen one episode of House. It didn’t click with me, but maybe I was in the wrong mood at the time. I do like Hugh Laurie in most other things.
Is it worth watching?
Is it worth watching?
It was in 2006.
I had a great cat as a child. Currently, I have mice.
My first mouse was named after his habits… Lil’ Om Nom
Re: Fictional Detectives.
G K Chesterton’s Father Brown for the win….
PS – Flambeau *is* the Joker….
The POTUS comes dangerously close to using the word Shitmoat in a sentence.
“So, we have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement. But even though we’ve answered these concerns, I suspect there will be those who will try to move the goal posts one more time. They’ll say we need to triple the border patrol. Or quadruple the border patrol. They’ll say we need a higher fence to support reform.
Maybe they’ll say we need a moat. Or alligators in the moat. ”
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/president-obama-lays-out-plans-immigration-
Robot alligators with a chainsaw for every tooth!
The Ho has an early start tomorrow (fucking pledge, AGAIN) so I have to get dinner on well before our usual oh so European tres late dining hour. Fuck. So I can’t be added to follow along with teh thred.
I got this chicken, see? So I spatchcocked the fuck out of that fowl beast. I’ll toss the bitch under the broiler, skin side down, for a bit. YES OF FUCKING COURSE I SEASONED THAT SHIT! While the tits and legs are cooking nicely I’ll make some fresh bread crumbs and also make a paint with finely diced shallot, some cayenne pepper, “Dijon” (I make my own mustard), a splash of soy sauce. The bird gets flipped and broiled on the other (skin) side. Then painted with the mustard mix and fresh bread crumbs pressed on. Drizzle with the pan drippings and into the hot oven to bake for 15 or so, until we’ve got a fucking fabulous browned crust.
Creamed spinach. ANOTHER DISH THAT GETS NO RESPECT ANYMORE AND THAT’S A SAD FACT. I dunno, maybe some red potatoes cubes and oven fried with herbs and parm cheese in olive oyl. Or maybe something else.
Must check the wine rack before I say another word.
Robot alligators with a chainsaw for every tooth!
…in every pot!
FY autocorrect. “arsed to follow…”
Making my own mustard.
Jonah is just part of the time honoured wingnut inability to understand what hypocrisy is. I’m surprised he didn’t trot out the old “if he wants higher taxes, he can go ahead and pay the government more next year voluntarily” line.
Jonah Goldberg vs. Jonah Hex.
That’s not a question, it’s just something I’d like to see.
Oh God!
The first several pages of images for Jonah Hex in Google are pictures from that terrible, terrible movie adaptation. This is a travesty!
“Jonah Goldberg vs. Jonah Hex.”
Add robot alligators with chainsaw teeth and I think it has blockbuster written all over it.
“Making my own mustard.”
If that’s what it looks like, you should see a doctor ASAP dude.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/10/koch-florida-state/
I imagine the relationship between philanthropy and academic freedom has often been shady, but this sucks mightily. Charles Koch* can decide faculty appointments associated with his gift, approve research funding, and review their work to see if his annual objectives are met.
Dean Rasmussen of FSU seems very proud of the deal, citing budget problems and the awesomeness of the Koch-approved economics professors. It’s good that the dean is happy, since otherwise he’s screwed. Of course there will be more budget problems, followed by more concessions to moneyed Right-wing rescuers, or outright fire-sale privatization.
My takeaway is that our oligarchs think our nation’s biggest problems are ideological. We just don’t “get it,” and old-fashioned scholars only seem to make matters worse (from the viewpoint of a Koch). So fuck science– I guess it can wait until after the cultural revolution.
“A separate grant from BB&T funds a course on ethics and economics in which Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is required reading.” Good god I hope there’s blowback.
*An “advisory committee” appointed by Koch.
My takeaway is that our oligarchs think our nation’s biggest problems are ideological. We just don’t “get it,” and old-fashioned scholars only seem to make matters worse (from the viewpoint of a Koch). So fuck science– I guess it can wait until after the cultural revolution.
Mine is the rest of us still have some assets, and these assholes want it all.
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“A separate grant from BB&T funds a course on ethics and economics in which Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is required reading.” Good god I hope there’s blowback.
John Scalzi accurately summarized Atlas Shrugged as nerd revenge porn, and accurately pointed out that its enduring popularity lies in the fact that it’s nerd revenge porn. I can see the book being popular among college students, especially those who take econ classes.
I’ll bet the faculty’s not happy, though.
Stone ground.
I like to think that real nerds crave real brain-food. Why become a philosopher or a physicist if something like Atlas Shrugged has enduring appeal for you? Real nerd-porn is, I dunno, Oppenheimer saying “I am become death…”
It may be the case that the owners (nice Carlin clip, Camper) don’t think they need real nerds anymore; fake yes-man nerds will suffice for the technocratic jobs, and you can grow those in a culture of infantilized peasants…
I need to think more. The wife is urging me to have fun, though. We shall see.
@ maddog:
I like Lord Darcy.
Re: Fictional T.V. Detectives
My wife says Monk but I have always been partial to James Rockford.
Mustard is easy. Like The Ho.
He did have the best themesong.
Oh come on.
Re: Fictional Detectives
Lord Darcy may need to be looked at.
And yes, Rockford gets some love too.
Just because he keeps going despite regular beatings ….
I also forgot Mitchell.
@ gocart mozart:
I really like Monk—not for the whodunit part, but just watching him work; doing the whole OCD thing. They basically wrote themselves into a death-spiral, though. They had to keep dreaming up new quirks for him to have, so he just got worse and worse. In the pilot he went down in the sewer after Sharona—can you imagine him doing that by the end?
I think something similar is always going to happen with a TV series—you just have to keep coming up with new crap. I suppose if you wrote 120 novels with the same character the same thing would happen.
I heart Senator Franken. The following is from the ’96 WH Correspondents dinner. To get the first joke, you should know that the year before, Don Imus was the ‘jokester’. He apparently was cribbing from an Ann Coulter/Rush Limbaugh joke book. i.e, call someone a name and pretend its funny.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/al-franken-white-house-correspondents-dinn
“I think something similar is always going to happen with a TV series—you just have to keep coming up with new crap. I suppose if you wrote 120 novels with the same character the same thing would happen.”
Maybe if they replaced him with Kirstie Alley after season five . . . (rimshot)
I also forgot Mitchell.
Servo [as Isaac Hayes]: Who’s the puffy guy who’s a big blurry sex machine?
Joel, Crow: Mitchell!
Servo [as Hayes]: That Mitchell is one fat s—
Joel, Crow: Shut yo’ mouth!
Servo [as Hayes]: I’m just talkin’ ’bout Mitchell!
’nuff said…
@ gocart mozart:
Just so long as they never, ever change the theme song….
P. S.:
I’ve been kind of out of it for a while, for a variety of reasons, but I’m glad the Sadlies are still at it. I just had to come back to see how the wingnuttosphere was dealing with the killing of OBL.
The fact that both the Teabagger Nutbags and the Firebagger Purity Trolls are clutching their pearls because we didn’t take him alive tells me we are well and truly fucked.
The names of Paul Krugman’s cats: I do not need to know them.
Soooooooo … Der Pantload (unknowingly?) implies that Krugman’s actual point is correct, but he’s being too ideological about it which magically invalidates it, & besides, he’s pretending it’s a new idea* when it isn’t so DOUBLE-BACKSIES!!!
Yeah, NRO’s gonna have to lose the comments again. Top comment points out that he can’t even get the co-ordinates for Krugman’s crib right: BURN. Next comment: responds to the quote above with “novelty is, of course, of far greater value than mere accuracy” … but fortunately a Krugman Two Minute Hate soon forms, the day is saved & Amerika is safe once more.
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* Jesus, I don’t even need to read PK to know that his odds of actually doing this are similar to my odds of having an ovipositor or the ability to transmute matter via thought.
Althouse might be a bilious harpy & dim as a penlight, but at least there IS a detectable functioning intellect there: what makes her sometimes noteworthy as a troll is that when she backs away from the hooch, she can set up a mighty sharp (or at least sharp-seeming) case for her zingers, though she’s usually too lazy to do so. She also trolls both left & right, though it’s pretty obvious she’s far more comfortable with punching hippies (I suspect her vote for Obama had little to do with him or McCain, & a lot to do with the sheer joy of making her many wingnut fanboys cry). To even picture Goldberg trying to do either of these things is comedy gold. Althouse can troll better when she’s shitfaced than he can stone cold sober.
Scholars systematically burn his book to the ground? Doesn’t count – they’re not being fair/serious/objective/scholarly/relevant (/your weak-ass alibi of choice goes here) enough. Never mind what I actually wrote, it’s all about the ideas I had when I wrote them … or something … oh, & can somebody do my gruntwork for me on this piece of fluff I’m doing for AEI? Needless to say I won’t be arsed to double-check it so feel free to just make some shit up, as long as it sounds KEWL & “proves” my “point” … Jonah Goldberg = political science’s very own LEEEEEEEEEEEROY JENKINS. What level of mental necrosis do you have to reach when you no longer care or even notice that NOTHING you produce ever gets all its intellectual/conceptual/semantic ducks in a row – not even once, not even when your “post” is nine words & a hyperlink?
The names of Paul Krugman’s cats: I do not need to know them.
Tough fucking shit — now you DO.
hearts and daisys
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Lord Darcy may need to be looked at.
Maddog may need to be AHEMed.
I go to Dr Thorndyke for my random pedantry needs. Nero Wolfe is a useful source of information about orchids and Serbian / Montenegrin politics in WW1.
Hot on the case. Cool under fire.
The Baretta theme is pretty cool.
But if you’re talkin’ the best theme song for a TV detective …
My critics who think I’m ignoring this argument may have a point. But they miss why I’m ignoring it. I’m ignoring it because it is stale beyond words
If I should get hit onna head by a brick and write those sentences, I hope my intestines would rise up and strangle me internally.
Creamed spinach. ANOTHER DISH THAT GETS NO RESPECT ANYMORE AND THAT’S A SAD FACT.
It’s so easy to do it badly, is why.
When I was youngish I had a batch of creamed spinach that was so unappetizing in taste and consistency that it put me off ALL forms of spinach for a couple of decades.
When I was youngish I had a batch of creamed spinach that was so unappetizing in taste and consistency that it put me off ALL forms of spinach for a couple of decades.
I can see that.
What did you name your cats, though?
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I guess this is Jonah promising he’ll never write anything about taxes ever again.
What did you name your cats, though?
Doughy and Pantload
“I guess this is Jonah promising he’ll never write anything about taxes ever again.”
See, I would have gone with “the poop in his pants” instead of “taxes” because that’s just the way I roll.
Doughy and Pantload
Generous!
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“Stale beyond words.” I’m hearing that in the same fatigued tone the GOOPers used to complain about all that “Tired old class-war rhetoric” whenever anybody would suggest, ever so gently, that they pay a fraction of their fucking share of taxes.
Kneading my dough.
Doughing my pantload.
(Insert something clever here….)
Noting back an earlier discussion.
Conservatives have always had a tightrope in their obsessions about the past.
All their arguments are about how much better a mythical past was specifically because it was worse for minorities and white men had the power to rape, steal, and pillage with wild abandon.
But at the same time, they need everyone to desperately ignore the past, because all their arguments fall apart if people have memories that last beyond last Tuesday.
As long as people remember how terrible “the good old days” were, can point out exactly why conservative ideas failed when implemented, or worse yet, can notice that conservatives have been on the wrong side of every single important development of every society that has ever existed, then there goes the ball game.
So yeah, when we’re investigating those claims, we’re “getting stuck in tired old arguments” and need to come back to the present, because by actually checking their math, we reveal the whole of conservatism to be a house of cards built on the emotional resonance of people’s nostalgia for the simplicity of their childhood.
And for the joke apology for the late comment, I’ll note that children inherently mean POOP!
I hope this will suffice in the cold winter months ahead (may only apply to Southern Hemisphere commenters).
(Insert something clever here….)
How about, “Fucking Jonah Goldberg up the ass with a rusty chainsaw . . . Twice.”
Heh, Cerberus said “poop”
Now I suppose that could mean “I want to hold him down and shit in his mouth” but there’s no real way of knowing.
My shit’s too good for Butthurt’s mouth.
” I’m giggling like a schoolgirl!”
NOT hot.
Oh, sister, it’s HOT when I do it.
this Andrew Breitpart photo!
Oh my god.
My shit’s too good for Butthurt’s mouth.
A FUCKING MEN, sister.
another softball practice another whole bunch of beers. Gawd I suck. Know what sucks worse? The fact that all you people (who I love to death) are in the WRONG TIME ZONE.
Move West, please. Thank you.
So yeah, when we’re investigating those claims, we’re “getting stuck in tired old arguments” and need to come back to the present, because by actually checking their math, we reveal the whole of conservatism to be a house of cards built on the emotional resonance of people’s nostalgia for the simplicity of their childhood.
I never thought of that–I think you found it, Cerebrus. Their own childhoods, sheltered from the bad bad outside….
This makes much sense to me.
Can’t we trick them into just resetting the clock to Ike’s inauguration day? Back when things were the way they were supposed to be… Got rid of that devil Harry Truman. Everybody knew their place. All was right with the world….
Wazzat!? 94% top marginal rate? WTF!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
(How come the em-dash doesn’t work in the comment box any more?)
Okay, cat names: Qetesh the Abyssinian has gone to the great lap in the sky, Luschka the Burmese is still occupying the hot water bottle on the bed, and Siusin the stray from the pound keeps watch on the borders and investigates cupboards vigorously.
It occurs to me that today, nobody has said penis. So, PENIS!
So many wingnut “arguments” come down to some version of “I guess yew think yore purty smart, dontchew? I reckon yew think yore better’n us?” It plays well with the rubes, I guess, but it’s not discourse.
James Rockford
While Rockford was cool, nobody will ever top Columbo. Dude was so stone cold cool he did not even need a first name. “Just one more thing…”
Oh my.
ShorterVerbatim John Hinderaker:Though he does not provide a link, Hinderaker has indeed written about Gandhi before. His main problem with him? Gandhi did not accept the benevolence of his natural white masters:
Like the poor, the wrong we will always have with us. Multi-dimensionally wrong, wrong with bells and whistles.
It’s why figures like Palin, Bachmann and Trump are so popular. I mean, they are embarrassingly stupid and willfully ignorant. The 28%ers relate.
WHAT? I’m sorry. I dont know anything about Gandhi. Where the hell is Hindlicker getting this? What is talking about?
Where the hell is Hindlicker getting this? What is talking about?
I think Gandhi once said the Jews should respond to Nazi aggression with pacificism. Hence, Gandhi himself is a Nazi. QED.
What is talking about?
Well, the question of how to resist British colonialism at a time when the British are fighting Naziism was complicated. But calling Gandhi pro-Nazi is just silly.
Wingers don’t DO complexity. It completely overwhelms their one-dimensional minds.
Imaginary conversation between me and a Christianista:
Me: You know, Jesus was a pacifist.
Christian: Pacifism does not work. In a world full of sin, the pacifists would be quickly overwhelmed.
Me: Yes. That is the point Jesus was trying to make. His followers were not supposed to be “of this world.”
Christian: You just want us to die off.
Me: Me and Jesus both. Your reward is in the next life.
I just to note that I of course meant that Gandhi advocated pacifism, although it sounds like he may have have eventually come around to pacificism at least as regards Hitler. Still: while perhaps stupid, and especially so if you don’t believe in an afterlife, neither makes you a Nazi.
Nonviolent resistance was a cornerstone of Nazi doctrine.
For FSM’s sake! Only in the wingnut’s distorted universe does Gandhi being internally conflicted enough to say “hell, my enemies are fighting an enemy even more vile than themselves, so I think we shouldn’t cooperate with them but stop directly impeding them in their war effort” somehow become a pro-Hitler tendency…
Of course, being against the Iraq war was supposedly being pro-terroristorganisationutterlyunlinkedtotheSaddamregime.
Only in the wingnut’s distorted universe does Gandhi being internally conflicted enough to say “hell, my enemies are fighting an enemy even more vile than themselves, so I think we shouldn’t cooperate with them but stop directly impeding them in their war effort” somehow become a pro-Hitler tendency…
No, not only wingnuts.
Noted Gandhi scholar Hindrocket has completely changed my views on Gandhi!
This is elementary common sense
This is the forerunner to “central to my point”.
War fever makes people say the dumbest fucking shit.
Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist.
Proof that Orwell was human, because this passage is elementary false logic. Pacifism, which argues that violence is itself immoral, by definition then “hampers” both sides of a war effort equally. So in turn, it cannot be objectively pro-either side.
Fixxored.
Proof that Orwell was human, because this passage is elementary false logic.
I should have clarified that I was not agreeing with Orwell, merely showing that this viewpoint can be held by non-insane people.
This is elementary common sense
Also, if you feel you need to put the effort into proclaiming your thesis “common sense”, it’s nearly a sure bet that it’s decidedly not common or sensical.
Also, if you follow a common sense proclamation with a big steaming pile of stupid, you’re nothing more than your average wingnut.
Insufficient frontier gibberish. I call fake Gabby Johnson.
I liked Howard Johnson jacking a homer and making fun of the 12-year-old pitcher in LIttle Big League.
Correction: Rookie of the Year.
LittlePig is a sidewindin’, bushwackin’, hornswagglin’ cracker croaker.
Who you callin’ a cootie queen, you lint-licker?!
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No need to clarify.
And for the record here, I fucking hate this condemnation of anyone living in a British colony who thought twice about why they should be involved in WW2. Obviously very glad most of them chose to join the effort, but you can kind of understand why some didn’t. You know who invented certain holocaust techniques?
LittlePig is a sidewindin’, bushwackin’, hornswagglin’ cracker croaker.
Rahhrit!
@ Ted the Slacker:
Well, technically the British got the idea–and even the name–from the “campos renconcentrados” that Spanish general Maximiliano Weyler y Nicolau set up to basically depopulate the western quarter of Cuba and make it easier to chase down the guerrillas.
Pretty sure places like Andersonville predate both of these occurences. Maybe we didn’t actually call them concentration camps, but the basics were the same.
There’s an invisible “s” on the end of the word predate.
Does it turn visible on words where it’s actually needed?
Pretty sure places like Andersonville predate both of these occurences. Maybe we didn’t actually call them concentration camps, but the basics were the same.
No, they really were not. Imprisoning POWs is very, very different from imprisoning civilians that are in occupied territory.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition………………
Plus, the original concept both in Cuba and South Africa was to concentrate all the enemy’s women and children in easily-supervised camps to deprive all their menfolk out “on Commando”–an Afrikaans word, by the way—of a home base.
My point was more about the atrocious treatment of prisoners than about the purpose of the camp.
I agree with your point–it’s far worse to round up civilians and treat them that way, but I don’t see much justification for treating captured soldiers that way either.
Reposting this because Hoosier X is right.
Best Detective theme.
Penis Penis
Reality called and said you’re a stupid fuck.
Oh, and Assrocket openly calling Ghandi “pro Nazi” shows just how far off the deep end they’ve gone — they no longer even pretend to give a shit about those who do nice things for others, or the poor, or the sick, or anyone else not a rich, white, Christian male.
So at least they’re now open and honest about it — I just hope enough independents who thought the GOP was reasonable now see the truth. Otherwise, we’re fucked.
What a stunted tool, this Hinderaker.
Let’s imagine we’re team leaders facing an imminent contest, one not entirely solvable by violence. We can choose from among a slate of players including historical figures. Now the question becomes not whether Gandhi is a “great soul,” or Malcolm X is a damnably flawed hypocrite who has been the subject of hagiographies. The question is whether these men (inarguably leaders) are unusually gifted and resourceful. And they are; I would choose them with reservations, but without hesitation, even if all the choice accomplished was to deny the opposition their services.
Would I choose George W. Bush? Hinderaker? Jonah Goldberg?… Obviously not. Now let’s imagine that these three just-mentioned are not hypocrites, not morally flawed, or at least not so flawed as Gandhi and Malcolm X. Would my choices as team leader change in favor of this conservative slate? Not at all, and my scenario is not unfair. Representations of the men involved distort my view, but not so much that I feel unable to adequately, provisionally judge their greatness, which is (after all) not a question pursuant to some metahistory standing outside of time and space.
Mother Teresa is Theft!!!!!!!!
Oh, and Assrocket openly calling Ghandi “pro Nazi” shows just how far off the deep end they’ve gone — they no longer even pretend to give a shit about those who do nice things for others, or the poor, or the sick, or anyone else not a rich, white, Christian male.
This is nothing new. I’m old enough to remember when the belief that MLK was a Soviet agent was a common trope amongst conservatives.
I remember that episode of Star Trek.
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I’m old enough to remember when the belief that MLK was a Soviet agent was a common trope amongst conservatives.
But I thought he was a conservative Republican?
I’m old enough to remember when the belief that MLK was a Soviet agent was a common trope amongst conservatives.
May no longer be common but I know people who STILL say this.
Haven’t read the other comments yet- but my conservative brother said the same damm thing. “Because Krugman is rich and lives in a mansion”, his opinions on our economy aren’t valid! Also, he insisted Krugman was opposed to the Stimulus and wanted the country to “Tighten Our Belts”.
It’s especially sickening because my brother is very intelligent, well educated, and in most ways a very nice, kind person. How can he be so easily deceived (and infuriated by the moronic lies) by these bozos, Doughy Pantload, sLimebag, Megan ArgleBargle? I just can’t understand it.
Is he addicted to the Rage, the feeling of superiority over Liberals?
I assume that far-Right Hindus are busy making the case that Gandhi was a crypto-fascist. From what little I know, they can tolerate any degree of cognitive dissonance (nothing unusual about that, unfortunately). Hinderaker and co. will show an interest in what Indians variously think about Gandhi just as soon as somebody ties the complexities up for them with a little bow. This particular tying-up would require insights into U.S. movement conservatism, but very little Indian substance.
(My mind is unquiet today, feeling a bit manic. I will try to tamp it down and get some work done.)
“Because Krugman is rich and lives in a mansion”, his opinions on our economy aren’t valid!
On the contrary, as his personal economy is larger and therefore affords him more experience interacting with market forces his “opinions” should matter MOAR!
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It’s especially sickening because my brother is very intelligent, well educated, and in most ways a very nice, kind person. How can he be so easily deceived (and infuriated by the moronic lies) by these bozos, Doughy Pantload, sLimebag, Megan ArgleBargle? I just can’t understand it.
Don’t know, but I know plenty of well educated, otherwise intelligent people whose brains hit RESET the minute The Movement needs them to and become babbling morons in the service of their higher cause.
But I thought he was a conservative Republican?
Apparently he took the same career path as Hitchens. Granted, being dead and all presented some challenges.
Related to the post at the top, but deals with actual arguments.
“How can he be so easily deceived (and infuriated by the moronic lies) by these bozos, Doughy Pantload, sLimebag, Megan ArgleBargle? I just can’t understand it.”
My guess would be that something in the conservative canon trumps rational thought. For many it is abortion. For others, it is the magic of the markets. For some, it is just that “Demoncrats are just for the coloreds.” Submission to reason is futile.
Howard Johnson said what needed to be said.
“The clam chowder is good”?
Never had a cat – that would just be too gay. If I did I would name it Fido.
Interestingly, most of the gay people I know own dogs.
Two of my brothers, both very smart, both with graduate engineering degrees, etc. are obsessed with “the fucking unions” and “goddamn goverment nannies trying to run my life” and so on. They watch Fox. One is a climate change denialist – o can’t stand talking to the other one so I don’t know where he is on that. Two guys who had all the advantages of middle class white privilege so of course they bitch about the illegals destroying the country.
I had the misfortune to spend two hours in a car with them both back east when my mother passed away. The one I can’t stand “explained” it to me. “I’ve been observing people all my life [apparently I spent the last 50 years asleep or in a shoebox] and I can tell you that some people just want to meddle in your life. That’s all they live for. They want to make laws to control other people just because they can. Yeah, okay, you’re a delusional paranoid loon.
Oh, right, both of them have long careers working for … wait for it … Raytheon, Hughes, and other defense contractors.
Those aren’t dogs, they’re furries, Smedley.
If something bad happens, it must be because bad people are doing it. This is the political sophistication of a six year old. … Occam’s Razor can help us here. If there are tax cuts, maybe it’s because people wanted tax cuts.
Huh, Occam’s razor leads us to what also sounds a lot like the political sophistication of a six year old.
Er, I think you can spot where the missing close-quote goes.
Also too, DOGZ R00L! Also.
I’ve been observing people all my life [apparently I spent the last 50 years asleep or in a shoebox] and I can tell you that some people just want to meddle in your life. That’s all they live for. They want to make laws to control other people just because they can.
Those people would never pass constitutional amendments telling you who you can and can’t marry, of course. Or mount an investigation into your loyalties just because you’re a certain religion. Or destroy your retirement plan and hand it over to the people in the private sector who financed their campaign. Or call for stripping you of citizenship if you don’t pay certain taxes or were born to the wrong set of parents.
And even if they did, those people would certainly never be Republican.
Occam’s Razor says this must be the best of all possible worlds.
What really IS the sophistication of a six year old is the idea that we can have nice things without paying for them.
The one I can’t stand “explained” it to me. “I’ve been observing people all my life [apparently I spent the last 50 years asleep or in a shoebox] and I can tell you that some people just want to meddle in your life. That’s all they live for. They want to make laws to control other people just because they can.
Those kind of people get all up in my uterus.
Occam’s Razor says you’ll eat those lima beans and like them, young man.
Those people would never pass constitutional amendments telling you who you can and can’t marry, of course. Or mount an investigation into your loyalties just because you’re a certain religion. Or destroy your retirement plan and hand it over to the people in the private sector who financed their campaign. Or call for stripping you of citizenship if you don’t pay certain taxes or were born to the wrong set of parents.
Tell you that you can’t smoke weed…Allow insurance companies to impose mandatory drug testing….Give the NSA unfettered access to our emails, phone conversations, library records, etc…Try to eradicate an already unconstitutional court procedure because it’s just too restrictive (FISA)….tell women what they’re allowed to do with their own bodies….?
Yeah, some people do live to meddle in your life. Still more projection. It’s becoming tiresome, conservatives.
Those kind of people get all up in my uterus.
Multi level humor.
Nice!
“Because Krugman is rich and lives in a mansion”, his opinions on our economy aren’t valid!
Hmmm. On the one hand, you’ve got a rich guy proposing economic approaches that might make him slightly less rich while making many poorer people better off. On the other hand, you’ve got a WHOLE SHITLOAD of rich guys proposing economic approaches guaranteed to make them richer while probably making many poorer people worse off.
How many people look at these two guys and conclude that it’s the FIRST guy who isn’t trustworthy because he’s just looking out for himself?
Also, he insisted Krugman was opposed to the Stimulus and wanted the country to “Tighten Our Belts”.
Ah, he lives in the timeline with evil, non-bearded Krugman. That explains everything.
A duplex uterus?
Dogs, cats….
Some of us swing both ways.
tigris sed …
Oh, that’s deep.
Also too, DOGZ DR00L! Also
Fixxed for sloppiness purposes only.
Funny.
Not hilariously funny, but not boring either. The comments (while not original in any way) are fun. This is the only arena in which I feel no guilt about picking on the mentally challenged.
A duplex uterus?
She gots a quad
BWAHAHAHA. Somebody call a waaaambulance.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/former_mi_asst_ag_im_just_a_victim_of_the_homosexu.php
OT: fake Navy SEALs crawl out of woodwork all over the place.
The tell that they’re fake? Color me shocked: the more they brag about their exploits, the likelier they are to be fake. Real SEALs usually don’t talk about it much.
Makes you wonder how many Internet tough guys, particularly on certain websites with certain political affiliations, are phony SEALs.
Oh goody. Yet ANOTHER self hating closet case is a “victim” of the Legion of Gaydom.
Has this bullshit become more frequent lately, or am I just noticing it more? All this Rentboy/wetsuit/wide stance business seems to be more and more fashionable among the haters these days.
“OT: fake Navy SEALs crawl out of woodwork all over the place.”
It should have been a dead giveaway when he said he got pissed when Gary Busey spat in his soup…..
Makes you wonder how many Internet tough guys, particularly on certain websites with certain political affiliations, are phony SEALs.
I was in the Army for two years. That’s long enough to become familiar enough with the culture to be able to spot a liar. I cannot TELL you how many of those I’ve come across in the last 20 years. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why they would lie about it to someone who has actually BEEN IN THE SERVICE.
Then again, a former coworker of mine used to fish in the same area as my dad and I did for years. Dad and I usually caught a respectable number of fish, but this guy always got a 7lb rainbow trout. For you non-fishermen/women, this is essentially a once in a lifetime fish if they’re freshwater locked. (Steelhead are ocean run and get much larger than 7lbs). Anyway, this guy and I fished the same river, and it seemed that every weekend he caught the biggest fish in the whole tributary. Lyin’ sack of shit.
OT OT OT
Day 3, no cigarettes. How can this be the most difficult day yet?
On the bright side, this attempt feels different. For whatever reason, I feel optimistic that I will make it this time.
I got this**
**Not intended to be a factual statement.
Lyin’ sack of shit.
Wasn’t lies, it was just… bullshit!
Lyin’ sack of shit.
John Kyl fished in your river?
Day 3, no cigarettes. How can this be the most difficult day yet?
The third day is the worst. You will also, in my experience, have a bad spot during the third month, and again in the third year. But nothing is as bad as day 3. Good luck.
At a bit over five years, I rarely even think about cigarettes. But oh Christ was that first week awful.
I can’t get this out of my mind. First he says he’s not about unveil an ad hominem attack *implying that he has at least some knowledge of what an ad hominem attack is* and then he shits one right out on the computer screen.
The other thing is the difference between simple disagreement vs. being flat fucking wrong about things that can be proven. I consider it similar to “disagreeing” about climate change. There is nothing about which to disagree. You can’t disagree about which horizon the sun rises from. One is correct, the other is delusional.
Jonah, why don’t you turn down the suck? It’s hurting my ears.
John Kyl fished in your river?
Yes, but he qualified his lie as not intending to be factual. So that excuses him.
The third day is the worst. You will also, in my experience, have a bad spot during the third month, and again in the third year. But nothing is as bad as day 3. Good luck.
Thanks dude. I do feel like I can make it. It just wears you down after a while.
At a bit over five years, I rarely even think about cigarettes
And
Well done!
Good luck, tsam. *hugs*
“tsam said,
May 11, 2011 at 21:06
Funny.
Not hilariously funny, but not boring either. The comments (while not original in any way) are fun. This is the only arena in which I feel no guilt about picking on the mentally challenged.”
Omfg
I do feel like I can make it.
You can. One thing I did that helped: every day, I put the cost of one pack (I smoked a pack a day) into a jar. Whenever I really wanted to smoke, I took money from the jar and bought myself something cool, while thinking “If I still smoked, I would not have the money for this.” I did this for a year, at which point I figured that my program was now reminding me more about smoking, and I no longer needed positive motivation.
I think to be more accurate, an attack on Goldgerg would be more likely rendered as “ad turdinid”, or “to a turdanoid”
“Argument directed at the thrush“? That is noncupatory. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.
I’m adding this no smoking support bit to my fanfic!
Slashfic, I meant.
THIS guy is such a sick freak. Stalker/bully…probably self-loathing homosexual. I hope he gets some HELP before he commits suicide or drives some other poor young person to it.
The other thing is the difference between simple disagreement vs. being flat fucking wrong about things that can be proven.
This is the thing that really gets me, too. And to what vs referred to as “willful ignorance”.
It’s really difficult to have an honest debate/discussion/disagreement with someone when they just make shit up. For me, I don’t mind “real” debates/discussion, because invariable I learn something new. I may not change my viewpoint, but at least there’s a common understanding of the problem/issue.
That seems to be broken.
There’s a new thread, ereebodee.
It’s really difficult to have an honest debate/discussion/disagreement with someone when they just make shit up. For me, I don’t mind “real” debates/discussion, because invariable I learn something new. I may not change my viewpoint, but at least there’s a common understanding of the problem/issue.
That seems to be broken.
That’s why I generally don’t talk with conservatives about anything politics related. It’s arguing with a flat-earther, all the time, on every single issue.
A duplex uterus?
Split-level.
Sheesh, people: PENTHOUSE.
It’s especially sickening because my brother is very intelligent, well educated, and in most ways a very nice, kind person. How can he be so easily deceived (and infuriated by the moronic lies) by these bozos, Doughy Pantload, sLimebag, Megan ArgleBargle?
You cannot reason a person out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into in the first place.
And the more intelligent a person is, the better they are at rationalizing why they believe what they do.
Sheesh, people: PENTHOUSE.
it’s where the branes are.