I Double Dog Dare You To Get Out Of The Boat
Posted on August 6th, 2010 by Tintin
ABOVE: B. Daniel Blatt (body by Photoshop, face by nature)
Shorter America’s Dumbest Pseudo-Homosexual™, The Gay Wingnuts:
Judge Walker: Clueless about the “Historical Core” of Marriage
- If two guys are in a relationship, it can only be called a “marriage” if one of them wears a dress all the time and cooks dinner for the other.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
•If two guys are in a relationship, it can only be called a “marriage” if one of them wears a dress all the time and cooks dinner for the other.
Sounds like it ain’t just gays who should be banned from marrying.
Gender performativity? AND the Double Dog Dare?
Damn you. DAMN YOU TO HELL, TINTIN!
I don’t wear a dress for my wife 🙁
Why don’t the wingnuts ever mention the fact that the Pro-Prop8 side conducted the most incompetent case ever brought before a Judge. Any judge that ruled in the favor would have to write the opinion in crayon.
Always. Trust. The. Shorter.™
I wondered how dumblatt would fuck himself in the ass after that ruling. Guess I know now.
Somehow I feel dumber than I did yesterbuick…
God, that was dumb.
Pro-Prop8 side conducted the most incompetent case ever brought before a Judge.
To be fair, they kind of only had Plessy v. Ferguson to work with.
That shirt is hilarious and scary at the same time.
Reposted on new thread.
Douchebag tries to expose Soros conspiracy, creates lol’s instead.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/08/06/so-a-wingnut-with-a-camera-hung-out-outside-our-offices/
Douchebag tries to expose Soros conspiracy, creates lol’s instead.
Douchebag’s nose would stop running if he would learn you can’t get high snorting ground fiberglass.
What must it be like to be so self-loathing? Are the pats on the head from homophobic conservatives worth it?
What must it be like to be so self-loathing?
Watch Raging Bull. No politics to speak of, but the best examination of self-loathing I can think of.
Apparently Fox Mulder has gotten more delusional since leaving the FBI. Wait. What?
I got out of the boat, and the panther just gummed me.
This guy is marvelous: An alleged proponent of gay marriage who not only agrees with every crackpot argument against it but, with this gem, has actually made one up.
I wonder if he thinks henpecked husbands are the “ladies” in their relationships, and can only become male again by divorcing or smacking the old woman into compliance.
Douchebag’s nose would stop running if he would learn you can’t get high snorting ground fiberglass.
And precisely where were you with that information when it would have done me some good?
Douchebag’s nose would stop running if he would learn you can’t get high snorting ground fiberglass.
And precisely where were you with that information when it would have done me some good?
Leaving ground fiberglass in glassine bags where a douche I knew would find them, in the hopes of LOLz.
Oh sure! NOW you repost when I’m still stuck behind the OTHER event horizon!
Leaving ground fiberglass in glassine bags where a douche I knew would find them, in the hopes of LOLz.
Well, I hope you’re happy, my nose bleeds so much when I go out, the most common question I get is “Andrew W.K., when did you go bald?”
I wonder if he thinks henpecked husbands are the “ladies” in their relationships, and can only become male again by divorcing or smacking the old woman into compliance.
I’m thinking GayPaidRat assumes that in a gay marriage, one partner would have some hormonal trigger that, like some species of frogs and wrasses, would switch genders.
The “Historical Core” of Marriage, at least among the wealthy, has always been a business arrangement between families. Love was something you gave to your mistress. Sex was for your concubine. Ah the good old days.
The “Historical Core” of Marriage, at least among the wealthy, has always been a business arrangement between families. Love was something you gave to your mistress. Sex was for your concubine.
Wait….so I was supposed to give money to my wife, love to my mistress and have sex with my concubine?
Oh man, did I fuck THAT up!
Wait….so I was supposed to give money to my wife, love to my mistress and have sex with my concubine?
Oh man, did I fuck THAT up!
There’s still time. I hear T&U has the perfect woman for you.
I hear T&U has the perfect woman for you.
For which category?
Which involves the most conversation?
Which involves the most conversation?
*pondering*
You know, they pretty much all involve stuffing something in her mouth…
Oh man, did I fuck THAT up!
For most wingnuts, it’s give love to your money, and sex to your poolboy.
Which involves the most conversation?
I think it depends on how you classify “conversation”.
You know, they pretty much all involve stuffing something in her mouth…
I’m thinking good luck with that one.
so I was supposed to give money to my ex-wife
FTFY.
I never wore a dress, but I cooked my way through three not-gay marriages. Does that mean none of them were legitimate?
so I was supposed to give money to my ex-wife
No, that part I did.
Boy did I ever…
Almost a full decade and no second coming. Where the fuck is Christ? The rituals have been carried out. Religious strife throughout the world? Check! Poverty and greed exacerbating every natural disaster? Check! That whole ‘Jews in the Middle-east’ thing? Check!
So where the fuck is Christ?
Rev. Gary Aldridge , Montgomery, AL, 2007. “Yes Lord! I will reveal to them the uniform they must wear to join Christ’s army!”
Hear that Christian Warriors?
Gird thy loins for battle!
The Gay Patriot achieved dizzying heights of incoherence and banality there. It’s actually difficult to take such a much loved and well-worn argument and somehow still fuck it up. It’s roughly the equivalent to seeing a child (like Tony in that Pixies song) pedaling enthusiastically by with his training wheels attached, turning around for a moment, and then turning back to see that he has somehow managed to wrap his bike around a tree. And the tree is on fire now. And a pack of hyenas has gathered around the flaming tree with the bike and child wrapped around it. And in the distance are explosions, and somewhere Dead Flag Blues is playing.
“Wait….so I was supposed to give money to my wife, love to my mistress and have sex with my concubine?
Oh man, did I fuck THAT up!”
That’s not my view, that’s God’s. Read your Old testement Actor. You have sinned against GOD!
and lost out on some good times also.
What makes me angriest about people like the Gaytriot is that they play the same game “Mama Grizzlies” play, wherein they appropriate something (like feminism or being gay), take it and pervert it, SOLELY for the purpose of being able to say “sure I’m _______, but I’m least I’m not like one of THOSE _______. And by doing that they get kudos and sparkleponies and blowjobs from conservatives. It’s so pathetic, it’s so harmful. It makes me want to scream.
It must suck to be wrong and know you’re wrong, yet feel compelled to slide down a slippery trope of Archie Bunkeresque stupid every time you get your ass scuffed* up in a debate.
* Yes, I can see it too.
“sure I’m _______, but I’m least I’m not like one of THOSE _______. And by doing that they get kudos and sparkleponies and blowjobs from conservatives. It’s so pathetic, it’s so harmful. It makes me want to scream.
Yes. I’m a good N*****R. Why can’t the rest of you N*****RS act like me?
Were I not limited at the moment to wasting my life via an iPhone, I would gladly row ashore in the Captain’s gig. The GayPutzRiot is always good for lulz and facepalms. As the Ho is monopolizing the desk and I don’t have anywhere else practical to put the other computer, I shall have to enquire of you fine folk whether the commentariat over there is, as usual, shouting homophobic crap and calling for killing the gays.
The Mormon imagery in the photoshop is appropriate, given the Mormons’ support for Prop 8 AND for traditional marriage.
Exactly.
I shall have to enquire of you fine folk whether the commentariat over there is, as usual, shouting homophobic crap and calling for killing the gays.
They were pretty awful earlier, though I don’t remember anyone calling for the killing of the gays. I’ll hop out of the boat and see what’s up.
Read your Old testement Actor. You have sinned against GOD!
God v1.0, but not God v2.0
*whew*
The irony is, if they wanted to reduce the amount of gay sex, I can’t think of a better remedy than marriage. Amirite guys? (rimshot)
BAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Comment from under the mango tree. I think this might be Sarah Palin.
You FOOL! Let’s talk horror movies, let’s not live in them!
“The Mormon imagery in the photoshop is appropriate, given the Mormons’ support for Prop 8 AND for traditional marriage.’
Traditional marriage = As many wives as you can afford. See Old Testament.
shouting homophobic crap and calling for killing the gays
I went as far as I could go without turning gay myself, and it’s just the boilerplate suggestion that gay marriage equals plural marriage, bestiality, and sometimes smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo.
The fact is that Tintin needs to put on his dress and start cooking my dinner.
Ugh, no, forget it. There’s the usual bestiality/child marriage/polygamy* canard, but there’s also a relatively reasonable commenter there.
*I actually have no problem with polygamy being legal, but for practical purposes alone, “extra” marriages shouldn’t be legally recognized. Then again, I’m all about getting rid of government’s recognition of marriage in general.
tsam said,
August 6, 2010 at 22:36
You made that up!
but he analized sodomy laws with care.
As do I. I don’t believe, in my
2240 years on this Earth, that I have ever come across a funnier Freudian footbullet than this right here. Hall of Famer for sheezy.WP eated my comment to T&U. What did I ever do to WP?
No he did not. I somehow missed the “analized” part, though. Sheer brilliance.
You made that up!
I didn’t–hop out–it’s only a few comments down. You should be able to get out before the alligators and terrorist monkeys close in.
I somehow missed the “analized” part, though. Sheer brilliance.
It sets up that last line in the quote so perfectly, about repeating his analysis(note the correct spelling) on older women
note the correct spelling
Iiiiinteresting….
I somehow missed the “analized” part, though
I almost kept going because I thought it was some dumbassed attempt at humor or something. Once I realized the rube was serious, I had to bring it back for the rest of you.
I didn’t–hop out–it’s only a few comments down.
GayPaidRat’s website gets blocked by Websense as “Too Stupid To Be On MY Server, You Clown”.
“analized” is still making me giggle…
“Yes. I’m a good N*****R. Why can’t the rest of you N*****RS act like me?”
You talkin’ ta me?
You talkin’ ta me?
You n’ Commander Sowell, yes.
Oh snap.
Now homegirl has called her professor because she looked up some shit on Medline and can’t remember how she got it…I’d tell her to fuck off, personally, or go ask a fucking librarian.
I mean, you’re in a goddamn master’s program and you don’t know how to search a database correctly?
Yeah, I killed the thread with my rambling. Sorry.
We iz in UR gay marriages, anal-izin’ UR sodomies.
Your rant scared us so much we’re all hiding behind kittens now.
Some of us have more shelter-sized kittens than others.
Awww…and “rambling” wasn’t even the word I wanted to use…
If you wanna ramble keep talking about High Tension. I’m dying to discuss it with someone.
Shambling?
If you wanna ramble keep talking about High Tension. I’m dying to discuss it with someone.
Honestly, I’m not sure how much use I’ll be. I think it’s been a couple of years since I’ve seen it.
“And anglo-american constitutional law about same-sex marriage can’t forget the long history of legal discrimination under buggery act and subsequent laws.”
The law is just upset that no one sent any flowers. It should be pretty used to buggery from the federalists under the guise of “original intent” by now.
Was there really a culture somewhere that sanctioned marriages between two men as long as one partner dressed and acted like a woman? That’s kind of fascinating, from an anthropological point of view, sort of like Queen Hatshepsut having herself declared male so she could be pharoah.
It has nothing to do with Prop 8, of course, but I still think it’s a fascinating slice of humanity.
“Was there really a culture somewhere that sanctioned marriages between two men as long as one partner dressed and acted like a woman?”
Yes, many native peoples did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit
Was there really a culture somewhere that sanctioned marriages between two men as long as one partner dressed and acted like a woman?
Not really, but I think he’s talking about bedarche, but the tradtions are different across cultures and tribes, and he’s being terribly prescriptive about it.
The truth is that our very conception of gender in this society isn’t solid and differs from ideas of gender in the past and in other cultures. That makes it doubly arrogant to say “marriage can only be between a man and a woman.” If there’s no consistent definition of “man” and “woman” throughout time, how the fuck can we say that marriage has been the same thing throughout time?
Also, too, the two-spirit thing applied to people we would call gay, lesbian, trans, and genderqueer (though “third gendered” might be a better term), so comparing that shit to modern conceptions of gender and sexuality is bullshit, too, because they’re not equivalent at all.
Yeah, I was thinking it seemed more like transgender than anything else I could map onto our culture. Especially interesting that men could marry male-bodied two-spirits and still be “straight”. They appear to have been less hung up about labeling sexuality than we are.
can’t bother to wade through allyallz comments (dogs to walk)so I’m just going to trot out analrapist and be done w/it.
“The truth is that our very conception of gender in this society isn’t solid and differs from ideas of gender in the past and in other cultures.”
Native American languages are *very* different than our Indo-European langs. They often do not even have genders and one can use the lang without having to use nouns. “Tree” is a verb in Micmaq, time can be circular *not* linear as we think.
The first thing the conquistadors had to do was to colonize the native’s mind through his language.
If there’s no consistent definition of “man” and “woman” throughout time, how the fuck can we say that marriage has been the same thing throughout time?
Even if it were consistent, we have to remember that open and hostile discrimination was written into the Constitution. The idea that it was all cool yesterday which makes a case for it being cool today is as stupid as jabbing a fork in one’s own eye, or watching reality TV.
tsam, are you suggesting that the Constitution wasn’t perfect when it was written? Are you some kinda commie like that uppity [BLEEEEEEP] Thurgood Marshall?
how the fuck can we say that marriage has been the same thing throughout time?
I guess what I’m really trying to say is this: Who gives a fuck what was acceptable, supposedly normal, or culturally imposed on us or any other culture in the past, or even the present? Nobody who is capable of useful thought, that’s who. The fact is, and I am not Gary nor am I making this up, it’s about freedom and equality. Everything else about it is irrelevant and tangential.
tsam, are you suggesting that the Constitution wasn’t perfect when it was written? Are you some kinda commie like that uppity [BLEEEEEEP] Thurgood Marshall?
No. I’m merely suggesting that I’m some sort of commie like a black dude and that the Constitution wasn’t exactly perfect.
And that I might be a thread killin’ sumbitch.
A number of Pac. island cultures I believe have similar traditions. The word “Berdache, “btw, I recall being deprecated.
tsam is DKW’s brother?
More like ‘we’ll pray away, you’re gay,’ amirite?
No prayer for you, Walker. Prayer’s for closers.
I love all the mouthbreathers in Blatt’s comments section trying to act like mega-profound super-experts on Constitutional Legalocity.
The Changing Definitions of Institutions Clause can be found in Article 415 of the Constitution, between the Stand on Your Head and Fart Clause and the Space Alien Nostril Hair Removal Clause.
“Who gives a fuck what was acceptable, supposedly normal, or culturally imposed on us or any other culture in the past, or even the present?”
Whoa whoa whoa there! You’re coming dangerously close to saying that we have the right to pass laws and govern ourselves according to our needs and not just passively accept the strictures of history and religion regardless of how destructive they are to humans.
That’s just crazy talk.
Anybody else in England getting smashed?
This comment makes me want to beat up the media for fucking up perfectly good terms
I mean, seriously? This guy believes that “changing roles” negates gender? My brother-in-law is a stay-at-home dad, but that didn’t magically mean he was the one carrying the babies.
When I see the word “gender” on a form, I want to write “tomboy”. Whether or not the word “sex” makes some people nervous, sex is not gender and gender is not sex no matter how much conservatives want to shove their collective dick down our throats and punish people for not conforming to their gender fantasies, while conflating gender with sex and sexual preference.
Gender is enculturated. Gender is enculturated. Gender is enculturated.
Gender is enculturated. Gender is enculturated. Gender is enculturated.
Gertrude Stein quote, yes?
Not in England…but, yes.
That sounds about right.
Not in England…but, yes.
Lie back and think of dark rum.
Was there really a culture somewhere that sanctioned marriages between two men as long as one partner dressed and acted like a woman?
Not really, but I think he’s talking about bedarche, but the tradtions are different across cultures and tribes, and he’s being terribly prescriptive about it.
Speaking as a cultural anthropologist with a specialty in gender, transgenders as we call them now (berdache is derived from the French for male prostitute and has negative connotations), are quite common around the world and include both biologically male and biologically female persons. the nature of these statuses and their relations to other genders is highly variable. What distinguishes them is that their gender identity is either more like that normally assigned to persons of the other biological sex or is a hybrid of masculine and feminine attributes. The number of genders is highly variable, with the Chukchi of Siberia taking the prize with 7 (Navajo have five). Marriage rules in societies with more than two genders are normally determined by gender, not sex. People marry (or have sex with – not all transgenders married) someone of a different gender. In some societies that would normally be someone of the same sex and different gender, while in others it could be persons of either sex, as long as they were a different gender. In addition to widespread transgender statuses, 2/3 of the worlds known cultures (where we have adequate data) have traditionally been tolerant or accepting of homosexuality, while only 1/3 prohibit or penalize it.
yeah, wiley, yer right. Well, you _were_ right but the language has changed. Now the terms sex and gender don’t mean anything. Or they can mean anything. Or whatever – you get the idea.
Also, am I supposed to be in England? What’s wrong with getting smashed in Oregon? There better not be anything wrong with it.
Time difference.. More power to you
“Gender is socially constructed”. But that scares some people because it sounds like you’re saying that if those witchy feminazis just do the right incantations they could steal Rush Limbaugh’s penis and turn him into a woman.
I *wish* I could do that. I really do. The thought of some of these dickwads waking up and finding nothing between their legs and their howls of despair warms the cockles of my cold black heart.
now I feel stupid and tipsy
But that scares some people because it sounds like you’re saying that if those witchy feminazis just do the right incantations they could steal Rush Limbaugh’s penis and turn him into a woman.
You know, some of us would like to fantasize about sex with women ever again at some point in the rest of our lives. You’re making it difficult.
I *wish* I could do that. I really do. The thought of some of these dickwads waking up and finding nothing between their legs and their howls of despair warms the cockles of my cold black heart.
If you’ve got cold black cockles, you’re almost there to the magic power. A little heat and PRESTO! Time to work on Rush.
I was watching a really cool “Taboo” show on NatGeo. Hawaii has this thing called the “third gender.” And then there was a woman in some country I don’t remember who was basically living as a man, because given her hard-scrabble existence it just made her life easier.
Wut, you don’t consume mass kwantities until … well, until some absurd late hour? Wimps.
Alternatively, whoa! I forgot all about that time difference thing. So that’s why people think I have odd breakfast habits.
Yeah, it’s 7:30 in the evening here. My inebriated state ain’t all that scandalous.
And people might think I have had my seventh by.. what time is it?
I was watching a really cool “Taboo” show on NatGeo. Hawaii has this thing called the “third gender.” And then there was a woman in some country I don’t remember who was basically living as a man, because given her hard-scrabble existence it just made her life easier.
Transgenders (“third – or fourth – sex”) are common in Polynesia. They were called “mahu” in Tahiti (not sure of the Hawaiian name), which covered both male and female bodied persons. Tahitians now distinguish them based on biological sex (reirei is the male bodied). the woman you are talking about is a “sworn virgin” and they are found in Serbia and Albania. Mostly assumed that status because the family had no sons and only men could inherit. they would go to the church (or mosque in Albania) and swear an oath of perpetual celibacy and assume a male role. They inherited the farm on their father’s death and were expected to care for their mother and sisters (as ell as avenge their father if he had been murdered, as was common). They are not making them any more owing to changes in inheritance laws, but there are still a number of them alive.
Damn, now I want a beer.
What Dr. Dick said. He said it much more accurately and artfully than I did.
Heyy every boddy!
Heyy, Dr Dick!
berdache is derived from the French for male prostitute and has negative connotations
Thanks. I had only seen the use of the word “berdache” to refer to two-spirits, otherwise I try to refer to transpeople of all types as trans or whatever their preferred nomenclature might be.
Also, too, can I haz your job plz?
I will also say I think that the concept of “sex” (ie, the discrete, binary categories of male and female based on biology) is pretty shaky, too. I don’t tend to differentiate “sex” from “gender” and use “gender” pretty much exclusively. In other words, “sex,” at least to some extent, is also biologically constructed.
See: Judith Butler, of course.
Also, speaking of alcoholic drinks, I have a Sir Perry right here and it is fucking delicious and gluten free, bitches.
I want to put a majikal spell on all the wingnuts and steal their penis’s. I’ll keep them safe in a box and feed them oats and corn. If they want them back they’ll have to pay!
Fox viewers are almost ripe for something like that.
Y chromosome is the alcohol of Friday night
…that should be “culturally constructed.” Damn. I’ve only had half a pint!
T&U do you mean Also, speaking of alcoholic drinks, I have a Sir Perry right here and it is culturally constructed?
If they want them back they’ll have to pay!
Oooooooh, will they have to eat disgusting bugs and raw alpaca liver?
her hard-scrabble existence
OH NOEZ someone has already used all the double-word scores.
And if you want to know why I’m in my cups, it’s because I’ve been painting hair all goddamn day long. I feel I’ve earned it.
T&U do you mean Also, speaking of alcoholic drinks, I have a Sir Perry right here and it is culturally constructed?
One of the few things our culture constructed correctly, IMHO. Actually, it was British culture, so never mind.
Triple, chumps!
And if you want to know why I’m in my cups
I have no reason except that life is ROUGH right now. Goddamn!
“And if you want to know why I’m in my cups”
boobies boobies boobies it’s all boobies all the time around here.
Can’t a fellow get some PENIS once in a while?
Totes gonna call my cider-to-be ‘In my cups’. Or ‘Constructed correctly’, Or ‘OH NOEZ’. Or ‘Time difference’. Or ‘mozart rimshot’.
Totes gonna call my cider-to-be
Are you making cider???? Can I have some????
I want to try my hand at gluten-free beer, but it’s almost impossible. Really.
I’ve always been partial to my own invention, the “King Pellinore.” That is where four or five martinis in you realize you’ve run out of good olives and have to stumble to the store to procure them.
If there’s no consistent definition of “man” and “woman” throughout time, how the fuck can we say that marriage has been the same thing throughout time?
Even these boneheads know marriage has changed through time: polygamy is illegal, while dowry, arranged marriage, Levirate marriage, etc are no longer considered acceptable in the US, whereas in the past these things were common if not hard requirements.
But that scares some people because it sounds like you’re saying that if those witchy feminazis just do the right incantations they could steal Rush Limbaugh’s penis and turn him into a woman.
He hasn’t seen it in years and he’s got bigger boobs than some women so MAYBE WE HAVE!
…in the United States our Constitution demands that the ONLY time the definition of institutions change is when the people change them through their duly elected representatives legislative branch.
Or through usage, as reflected in dictionaries. Maybe they should check those out sometime.
Pup, I’m with you. Hey, if I had my druthers, Sadly, No After Dark would be pic after pic of shirtless dudes from True Blood. I want All Alcide All the Time.
Oh, okay, wait. Is True Blood based on the Sookie Stackhouse series? I’m confused.
Can’t a fellow get some PENIS once in a while?
You were supposed to bring the PENIS. I brought the potato salad.
Oh, yeah, and that dude is hot, even though I don’t normally dig on the facial hair.
(That sounds dirty. I’m leaving it).
It is.
Also, too, can I haz your job plz?
No. They are too damned hard to find in the best of times.
You might enjoy Evelyn Blackwood, Sabine Lang, and Sue-ellen Jacobs, as well. All deal with gender identity issues. As to the problematics of sex assignment, I recommend Anne Fausto-Sterling.
Okay. I haven’t read/seen either, but I do have a fleeting acquaintance with the Sookie Stackhouse series. I did not know!
Who? Alcide? When I see him, I feel like I should get charged for it. He is cartoonishly foine.
Whoa whoa whoa there! You’re coming dangerously close to saying that we have the right to pass laws and govern ourselves according to our needs and not just passively accept the strictures of history and religion regardless of how destructive they are to humans.
Sorry–lost my head for a minute there. We should preserve rights for the propertied white males and tell everyone else to eat a bowl of fuck. Thanks for talking me down!
Yep, making cider, (pron. ‘soider’ in proper west country accent). Puritan chef housemate wants to take apples to middle farm to get it properly pressed. I just want to shake the tree, gather the apples in a tarpaulin and repeatedly reverse over them in my Ford. Simple, effective. More Tony Abbot than Julia Gillard, for those of you closely watching Aussie election.
four or five martinis
You must be posting some golden comments on that thread, man.
tsam is DKW’s brother?
That sounds about right.
Heyyyy. Don’t be talkin’ bout my mama.
You’re the best.
Having recently got my nose out of Beevor’s ‘D-Day’ long enough to visit the Dorset Tank Museum, does anyone else read ‘DKW’s mom’ as DUKW? No?
“As to the problematics of sex assignment”
No fair! Today is Friday, I didn’t study! Can we use our notes?
tell everyone else to eat a bowl of fuck.
You’re the best
I’ll second that. Quality.
I mean, seriously? This guy believes that “changing roles” negates gender? My brother-in-law is a stay-at-home dad, but that didn’t magically mean he was the one carrying the babies.
Um, dude. Your equivalencies, they’re false. You got some fallacy on your tie right there. No, there, lower. No–oh never mind. It’s a stain.
Who? Alcide? When I see him, I feel like I should get charged for it. He is cartoonishly foine.
Ha! Yes, that’s who I mean.
Puritan chef housemate wants to take apples to middle farm to get it properly pressed. I just want to shake the tree, gather the apples in a tarpaulin and repeatedly reverse over them in my Ford.
Sounds like my household, with me saying, “Seriously? You want me to julienne ALL these carrots? Can’t we just put them in the food processor?”
Puritan chef housemate wants to take apples to middle farm to get it properly pressed. I just want to shake the tree, gather the apples in a tarpaulin and repeatedly reverse over them in my Ford.
boop
tell everyone else to eat a bowl of fuck.
You’re the best.
Thanks! I’ll resist the temptation to do something silly with a semicolon and parentheses.
Wy wood they wont to doo thet?
Wy wood they wont to doo thet?
t make there smarts bigger dummie.
dictionaries. Maybe they should check those out sometime.
BTW, I so resisted making a librarian joke about not being able to check out ready reference.
Well, basically I just told it now. I hate myself.
BTW, I so resisted making a librarian joke about not being able to check out ready reference.
Well, basically I just told it now. I hate myself.
What happened? I think that coworker is in your head. That malady can be treated with grain alcohol and matches.
You must be posting some golden comments on that thread, man.
Eh, four martinis is a warm up. Nothing gets golden until number eight, approximately, at which point it’s time to listen to Blood & Chocolate and start composing emails to exes.
He is cartoonishly foine.
Foine. That sounded hilarious when I read it to myself. I’ll bet you have to clean the drool offa the tv box after you watch that show.
That malady can be treated with a cider press*
* repeatedly reverse over them in my Ford
Dr. Dick, that was most educational. Thank you.
All wingnuts should lurk here. We might get a better class of troll and they might learn something. Or their heads might explode. Either way, we’re better off.
Having recently got my nose out of Beevor’s ‘D-Day’
Note to self: Check with Urban Dictionary to see what the kids are calling it these days.
the “King Pellinore.” That is where four or five martinis in you realize you’ve run out of good olives and have to stumble to the store to procure them
…accompanied by a great noise emitted from one’s belly, a barking like “thirty couple hounds questing”.
What happened? I think that coworker is in your head. That malady can be treated with grain alcohol and matches.
That I would make such a terrible joke? Or that I hate myself for making such a terrible joke?
If it’s the former, well, I always make bad jokes. If it’s the latter, I actually didn’t mean it. I actually like myself nowadays. A little, anyway.
Also, GOD SHE SUCKS.
Oooooooh, will they have to eat disgusting bugs and raw alpaca liver?
Trigger!
You better watch it. When I get triggered, junk gets punched.
Eh, four martinis is a warm up. Nothing gets golden until number eight, approximately,
Okay, I *thought* I could drink…
Nothing gets golden until number eight, approximately, at which point it’s time to listen to Blood & Chocolate and start composing emails to exes.
HAHA! Switch to texting–it’s much more gratifying! Exes LOVE it when you wake them up to list all of their character flaws. It’s not unlike petting a cat backward. It’s attention, but not comfortable.
tell everyone else to eat a bowl of fuck.
Does this involve the food processor?
Does this involve the food processor?
No, but for best results, it must be pink Himalayan fuck.
hounds questing
Is there a further reference for hounds questing?
“He is cartoonishly foine.
Foine. That sounded hilarious when I read it to myself. I’ll bet you have to clean the drool offa the tv box after you watch that show.”
It’s a litle too gory…but it’s not what I would call “unsexy”
tell everyone else to eat a bowl of fuck.
Does this involve the food processor?
I’m not sure. I try not to think about it too much, especially while driving. The tears from the dry heaves blur my vision.
T&U – if you don’t fucking julienne the goddamn carrots you don’t get any fucking fruit cup. That’s the way it motherfucking works. Shut up and julienned the fucking carrots already bitch.
PS – The Ho doesn’t like cooking with me. IT IS A MYSTERY
T&U – if you don’t fucking julienne the goddamn carrots you don’t get any fucking fruit cup. That’s the way it motherfucking works. Shut up and julienned the fucking carrots already bitch.
PS – The Ho doesn’t like cooking with me. IT IS A MYSTERY
HAHA! FTW. I’m sensing that you’re a bit of an authoritarian and have some patience issues.
All wingnuts should lurk here. We might get a better class of troll and they might learn something. Or their heads might explode. Either way, we’re better off.
I vote for exploding heads. Most wingnuts are ineducable.
MY ho barely knows how to boil water.
MY ho barely knows how to boil water.
I DO TOO!
I mean, how…sad…for you.
Also the wingnut trolls would get my war pron references
I vote for exploding heads. Most wingnuts are ineducable.
Agreed, but they’re kinda funny when they try to fight back. I alternate between being infuriated and entertained by people who are as dumb as a bag of doorknobs yet think they’re absolutely brilliant. Especially when they start throwing herrings around and crying about how mean liberals are…wahhhhhhhh.
MY ho barely knows how to boil water.
Don’t say that like it’s a bad thing.
Back to your etchings, ho.
Back to your etchings, ho.
STOP ANALIZING ME!
Shut up and julienne the fucking carrots already bitch
I’m sure chef housemate has similar thoughts when I suggest the brute / tarpaulin method.
Just take the apples to press-for-hire, knob-end!
HAHA! Switch to texting–it’s much more gratifying! Exes LOVE it when you wake them up to list all of their character flaws. It’s not unlike petting a cat backward. It’s attention, but not comfortable.
Ha ha. Indeed. Though the correspondences are generally more sentimental than anything else, eventually degenerating into fustian diatribes about records and books that used to mean something to us. That said, there’s the invariable gaffe–usually what seems like a perfectly appropriate inquiry as to the relationship status of one of their friends with terrific shoes and good taste in 80s movies.
tsam should pop over to the vs forum for a better appreciation of how things work in my motherfucking* kitchen.
*not a reference to DKW’s mom, veiled or otherwise
Is there a further reference for hounds questing?
Yes indeedy!
Also, Fewmets.
“STOP ANALIZING ME!”
Told you bud, remedial sodomy.
”
STOP ANALIZING ME!”
It’s my job as as an analrapist to help you!
I alternate between being infuriated and entertained by people who are as dumb as a bag of doorknobs yet think they’re absolutely brilliant.
I know the feeling. I made the mistake of getting in an argument with a libertarian over at C&L today. Might as well have argued with a brick wall. Had the audacity to tell me I must of “run out of arguments” because I said he did not know what the hell he was talking about and was just pulling “facts” out of his ass. About stuff in my field. Which I have been reading about and studying for 40 fucking years.
No, but for best results, it must be pink Himalayan fuck.
All I have in the kitchen is pink ammonia-laced slime. I suspect the recipe will not end well.
Told you bud, remedial sodomy.
Her strap on hurts!
Her strap on hurts!
Ask her to downsize and to use lube. If she loves you, she will do it.
Is the slime organic? I could work with that – as long as it really is pink. I’m thinking a fabulousLy gay riff on hakkarl.
gonna call my cider-to-be ‘In my cups’.
I used to make a home-brew called Stalin Stout. “A Purge in Every Pint”, was the slogan on the label.
It fitted in well with the Lenin Lager, the Mao Mild and the Trotsky Headsplitter Bitter.
Getting a quick lesson in future dealings with the youngest scion, a transgendered MtF, now an adult and driving my ex (the mother) nutty-er. At least the kid can get married somewhere- maybe Cali, someday. The boat, I’m staying on it. Fuck a buncha mangoes.
DKW brings to my mind the little German cars and also their art-deco-looking motorcycles. So one is still riding in or on something, right?
“Her strap on hurts!”
If I may echo an earlier query, “hurts who?”
I’d rather just kick back and toke on some Pol Pot.
Props to creature for knowing about DKWs. Oh, and being a human wrt the family thing. Also too.
Ask her to downsize and to use lube.
See also “down on the up-stroke” (unless it was vice versa).
About stuff in my field. Which I have been reading about and studying for 40 fucking years.
Oh, and I suppose that makes you some kind of expert?
/wingnut
T&U – if you don’t fucking julienne the goddamn carrots you don’t get any fucking fruit cup. That’s the way it motherfucking works. Shut up and julienned the fucking carrots already bitch.
PS – The Ho doesn’t like cooking with me. IT IS A MYSTERY
You do know the kitchen can be a dangerous place where “accidents” happen, right?
I will admit to crying and stomping out of the kitchen a few times…
Getting a quick lesson in future dealings with the youngest scion, a transgendered MtF, now an adult and driving my ex (the mother) nutty-er. At least the kid can get married somewhere- maybe Cali, someday.
There’s an alderman in one of these little podunk towns around here who is a transwoman. She came to one of my classes and was talking about how she legally married a woman in Kansas even though she’d had re-assignment surgery because you couldn’t change your gender.I thought that was kind of an awesome “fuck you.”
Oh, and I suppose that makes you some kind of expert?
Pretty much what he said, verbatim. Actually accused me of arguing from authority when I pointed out that I was a professional anthropologist who had been studying some of these things for 40 years.
Yeah, um arguing from authority is legitimate when you are, like, an authority.
because you couldn’t change your gender
Depends on your state laws. One of my colleagues is a MtoF trans, who was already married (and still is) to a woman, but on all of her official state records she is listed as female (she even got her birth certificate changed).
Actually accused me of arguing from authority when I pointed out that I was a professional anthropologist who had been studying some of these things for 40 years.
It’s kind of like trying to argue with Jehovah’s Witnesses, isn’t it?
See also “down on the up-stroke” (unless it was vice versa).
As somebody posted yesterday, vice versa is for when you wants to get funked up.
Yeah, um arguing from authority is legitimate when you are, like, an authority.
Yeah, but don’t try telling that to a butt ignorant autodidact libertarian.
Yeah, um arguing from authority is legitimate when you are, like, an authority.
I believe that is pronounced “awthorattay.”
cf. Cartman
It’s kind of like trying to argue with Jehovah’s Witnesses, isn’t it?
Yeah, except that the Witnesses are easier to deal with and more rational than libertarians.
Depends on your state laws.
Yeah, I know, which is kind of fucked up. In Kansas, where she got married, she had to stick with her birth gender.
Oh, also she was a HARDCORE Aspie, so it was interesting to hear her talk about navigating that along with her transition.
Phaw! Knowledge just clogs up your synapses.
There’s a fair bit of discussion in the LGBTQTLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ fora about the vagaries of different state’s treatment of trans people and how it inevitably consternates someone or other. LULZ often ensue.
Knowledge just clogs up your synapses.
Keeps you from seeing the true, bright white light of libertarianism.
Actually accused me of arguing from authority when I pointed out that I was a professional anthropologist who had been studying some of these things for 40 years.
My gast is completely flabbered.
“Yeah, but don’t try telling that to a butt ignorant autodidact libertarian.”
T&U you gonna let him talk about you that way?
That’s kind of fascinating, from an anthropological point of view, sort of like Queen Hatshepsut having herself declared male so she could be pharoah.
No, no, no, no, no, certainly NOT! It was all a question of managing people’s expectations, you darling boy! My subjects were never comfortable with change, you see, so as long as the visuals corresponded with traditional views of pharoahship (i.e., almost always male), then no one would freak out and worry that maybe the Nile would not rise. The words accompanying the images always made clear that I was indeed all woman, but since so very few of my subjects could read hieroglyphs, the pictures carried the day.
Such insight and intelligence is why I was pharoah, of course. And a goddess. Really, Isis has better things to do with her time than hang out with a bunch of half-wits…
My gast is completely flabbered.
Personally, my gibbet was completely fliberdeed.
You know who else always argues from authority? Doctors. I try to tell them that my humors are all out of whack, but they’re always talking about these tiny invisible creatures that make me sick…have you ever heard anything so crazy?
Such insight and intelligence is why I was pharoah, of course.
Actually one of the better ones at that. Huge public works projects and a period of prolonged prosperity.
T&U you gonna let him talk about you that way?
Depends on if he’s going to make me stir the risotto or not.
Yeah, except that the Witnesses are easier to deal with and more rational than libertarians.
You’re right. That was kind of mean to JWs.
I try to tell them that my humors are all out of whack
That is actually more coherent than most of his arguments. Have you ever noticed how wingnuts, especially libertarians, always change the subject or ignore your main point while seizing on some minor point in an argument?
I try to tell them that my humors are all out of whack, but they’re always talking about these tiny invisible creatures that make me sick…have you ever heard anything so crazy?
Leaches. Sucks those little guys right out.
VhaveatitR
I been smacking my gob all night.
Have you ever noticed how wingnuts, especially libertarians, always change the subject or ignore your main point while seizing on some minor point in an argument?
I have noticed that they never fail to do this, yes.
Yeah, um arguing from authority is legitimate when you are, like, an authority.
I don’t think this is true. I imagine Dr. Dick tore this guy to shreds with, you know, evidence and mastery of the literature and boring shit like that.
“This is the way it is because I said so” is not ever a valid argument, in my opinion, even if the speaker is God Himself.
I been smacking my gob all night.
Still illegal in several states.
Kids call it all kinds of crazy things these days.
ignore your main point while seizing on some minor point in an argument?
Climategate!
“This is the way it is because I said so” is not ever a valid argument, in my opinion, even if the speaker is God Himself.
I actually agree. I was just playing hard and fast* with the terminology.
*VHJR
“Stir the risotto” is a new one to me, anyway.
Also. And. Etc.
Thanks—the DKW reference took me way back. They had an electric clutch activated by a button on the shift knob. When I was looking for my first car there was always a whole column in the paper of: ’64 DKW. No clutch. $40.”
Never fell for it. Plus, I didn’t want to have to mix oil with my gas in a bucket and then pour it in with a funnel.
“This is the way it is because I said so” is not ever a valid argument, in my opinion, even if the speaker is God Himself.
Absolutely correct. I had been laying out the evidence to contradict him and ultimately pointed out that I was not just pulling this stuff out of my ass. He displayed a near total ignorance of the existing literature on the subject (typical of libertarians discussing markets). Even claimed money is a commodity rather than a symbol (a point completely refuted nearly a century ago when we went off the gold standard).
I like the sound of this: “Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan.”
Even claimed money is a commodity rather than a symbol
Yepper. A symbol of belief. Which is sliding.
[Get offa my lawn!] Plus, why has it become acceptable to use the grammatical term “gender” to mean “sex”? This has become so accepted now that when you tell someone Swahili has 20 genders, they look at you like you’re crazy. You have to use some awkward term like “category” or “agreement class”. [/Get offa my lawn]
“Stir the risotto” is a new one to me, anyway.
You have to keep adding broth until it gets creamy.
(Yeah, I just kind of disgusted myself).
Pretty much what he said, verbatim. Actually accused me of arguing from authority when I pointed out that I was a professional anthropologist who had been studying some of these things for 40 years.
AHA! He GOT YOU! What you don’t realize, sir, is that arguing from the standpoint of blind allegiance to a fucking ideology about which you have very little clue, nor possess the skills to postulate the outcomes of your petulant wishes for society is the ultimate position of authority.
Glad I could help. I’m sure Mr. Libertarian is waiting for your apology.
Even claimed money is a commodity rather than a symbol (a point completely refuted nearly a century ago when we went off the gold standard).
I thought libertarians fapped all over the gold standard and believed that money is basically meaningless without being tied to it…
I thought libertarians fapped all over the gold standard
I believe they refer to it as “risottoing.”
why has it become acceptable to use the grammatical term “gender” to mean “sex”?
Because sex is a biological category and gender is a social/cultural category and the two are not the same. All you need to do is specify the Swahili language and the confusion goes away (though I do question whether there are that many grammatical genders, either). the Chuckchi for reals have seven genders and the Navajo have five.
I’m sure Mr. Libertarian is waiting for your apology.
Hope he is patient, because I have not heard of any imminent freeze warnings in Hell.
Hope he is patient, because I have not heard of any imminent freeze warnings in Hell.
But I’ve just scientifically proven that wrong is right. WTF man?
Hope he is patient
While I can only hope that he is, I am sure that he should be someone’s patient. This kind of affliction is often treatable with therapy and medication, folks.
I thought libertarians fapped all over the gold standard and believed that money is basically meaningless without being tied to it…
…Completely oblivious to the fact that gold’s value lies in the faith that it is worth a certain amount of goods and services. Still a social construct and acceptance of an arbitrary value. If we didn’t think gold was worth what it is, it wouldn’t be worth anymore than lead or quartz or dirt.
DrDick:
I don’t dispute anything you said. I just think when people need to create terminology like that, they should make up new terms rather than hijacking older ones that already have a meaning.
“Gender” just means “kind”. It became associated with sex because the earliest stages of the Indo-European languages that we have records of were probably in the last throes of the decay of a full-blown classifying system like the Bantu languages that have simplified down to three “categories”. (Comparison proves that some with as few as three are incipient, develop into as many as twenty at the peak, and then decay to as few as three before dying out.)
The misunderstanding came because the word for “man” happened to wind up in one gender and the word for “woman” in another. The fact that there was yet a third gender should have been all the proof needed that they had nothing to do with sex, but hey, the third must be “neuter”, right? Yeah, that’s the ticket!
I know it’s an already lost battle, and I’ll shut up now.
All you need to do is specify the Swahili language and the confusion goes away (though I do question whether there are that many grammatical genders, either).
Teh Great Gazoogle says 8 or 9 or 11. The Bantu languages do go overboard with multiple noun-classes, though.
I just think when people need to create terminology like that, they should make up new terms rather than hijacking older ones that already have a meaning
We use the terms we have and adapt them to changing circumstances, but even most linguists I know use gender in a comparable way. In my experience, more complex classificatory systems in language are called just that rather than gender, but I am mostly familiar with Native American languages.
If we didn’t think gold was worth what it is, it wouldn’t be worth anymore than lead or quartz or dirt.
Well, it is a really good conductor, it doesn’t rust, it’s easily worked and it is awfully shiny. It’s not worth NOTHING, but it has no properties to justify the holy status it has among the Objectivists and other lunatics.
Personally, I think if we’re going to have money based on some “real” quantity, it should be energy (“this dollar bill is exchangeable for exactly X kWH of electricity”). Energy use grows pretty much linearly with GDP, so you wouldn’t have the money supply problems that monetarists get so anxious about, and energy really is worth what we think it’s worth.
(Note: I am not recommending this policy, but I think it makes a good deal more sense than freaking gold.)
The Bantu languages do go overboard with multiple noun-classes, though.
So do some Native American languages, but nobody calls those systems gender. Cherokee verbs distinguish between animate and inanimate objects, and within the latter distinguishes liquids, long rigid objects, long flexible objects, solids, and indefinite solids (ash or dust). Of course Cherokee verbs are absolutely Byzantine, with potentially over 21,000 different forms for each verb.
Personally, I think if we’re going to have money based on some “real” quantity, it should be energy
We have a real standard of value established by both Karl Marx and Adam Smith: labor. According to both that is the source of all economic value.
Copper is an excellent conductor, very malleable, and pretty shiny when not exposed to air/impure water for extended periods. Not exactly valueless either, but it doesn’t possess nearly the value that gold boasts. Like you said, holy status now, but if society fell to pieces, and mere survival dominated our existence, there wouldn’t be much need for gold and it certainly wouldn’t have the power to talk someone out of his/her food.
We have a real standard of value established by both Karl Marx and Adam Smith: labor. According to both that is the source of all economic value.
Nuh uh. The real standard of value is based on immoral rich guys manipulating the market.
And copper is prettier than gold. Yeah, I said it!
The real standard of value is based on immoral rich guys manipulating the market.
Been listening to Cavuto and Kramer again, haven’t you?
within the latter distinguishes liquids, long rigid objects, long flexible objects, solids, and indefinite solids (ash or dust).
IIRC some Meso-American languages again use noun-classes to mark the same kind of distinction, but I cannot be arsed looking up the details, because if it is not about the lexicon of colour-naming then I DON’T NEED TO KNOW.
The real standard of value is based on immoral rich guys manipulating the market.
I read this as “immortal” and thought you had managed to tie Sookie Stackhouse back in.
They may talk about the gold standard, but institute the Cheeto standard and they’d be all over that.
(I feel like a terrible person because I like Cheetos. Mountain Dew, too. Don’t tell anybody!)
some Meso-American languages again use noun-classes to mark the same kind of distinction
It is pretty common in Native American languages. On Cherokee verbs, they also have 7 tenses plus mood and aspect. You distinguish past completed, past ongoing, past repetitive, past habitual, with a recent past tense, a distant past tense, and a mythic past tense. You also distinguish intentional from unintentional acts and whether you are reporting from first hand knowledge or hearsay (just to name a few).
IMHO, trying to explain agreement classes in terms of shape, etc., is just folk etymology in action. They really are no more explainable than Chinese classifiers or “head” of cattle, etc.
The fact is, liberal faggots are worse than Hitler.
The fact is, America told the fags to shut up by the will of the people and majority, but the will did not triumph. It should have. Now they are using biased, gay activist judges to subvert the consitution and open the door for legal child molesting and animal sex, all for liberls to feel good about shoving agenda down the throat of USA.
Rock on, boys and girls (except Gary, who can crawl back under his rock in eht sewer swamp). I am going out honkytonkin’ and rocking out to my favorite local band.
We have a real standard of value established by both Karl Marx and Adam Smith: labor. According to both that is the source of all economic value.
I disagree, landless wretches.
I remember when Fake Gary was believable. Sad, really.
So while you’ve all been drinking and have high-falutin convos, I’ve been drinking because the Mrs. can’t. She’s eating for two and therefore I must drink for two. Fortunately, we still have the Nicaraguan rum…
Darn them gays. Give em an inch and they want 5 and three quarters to 6 inches.
On average, of course.
The fact is the fact.
The fact is it cafe ht.
libertarians, always change the subject or ignore your main point while seizing on some minor point in an argument?
It is fortunate that Sadly No trolls prepare you for this behavior, isn’t it?
fo’reals how did one of my favorite snacks get so intractably associated with wingnut slobs…..wait a minute…does that make me??????????????????????
She’s eating for two and therefore I must drink for two
Actually, you’re drinking for three.
@ zuh indeed:
What’s worse is that while I buy and in many cases actually prefer off-brand and generic versions of most things, nobody but Frito-Lay can seem to get Cheetos right. I think we need a Cheetos Manhattan Project to rectify that. Then when we go on the Cheetos standard, everybody will be able to make their own money. Free Enterprise 11!!111!!!11
Actually, you’re drinking for three.
I’m mixing up rum and coke in a pint glass. I’m drinking for a bunch.
DOUBLE-DOG dare?!?
Well, maybe the mangoes are ripe. Dum de dum de doo dah … !
Oh noez!
My Inner Troll … I … I can’t hold him back … he’s … he’s just too strong … my fingers … typing wildly … iiiiieeeeeeeee!
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Cultural/historical hand-waving notwithstanding, the FACTS are that marriage has many legal & civil benefits for couples & thus arbitrarily denying it to a certain group is explicitly discriminatory. The 14th Amendment is crystal-clear in condemning any & all such discrimination, & steadfast opposition to it should be the default position of anybody calling themselves a patriotic American. That both courts & Congress have either upheld or ignored this particular form of discrimination for so long is abhorrent & shameful.
The strawman of child- or animal-marriage is both intellectually pathetic & irrelevant, as is that of polygamy (since immediate harm is both demonstrable & dire in each of these) … as were the fallacies dressed up as “arguments” that were presented in court in defense of Prop 8.
Walker’s findings of fact in this case are overwhelming & numerous – & they all point in the same direction. Any higher court hearing this case on appeal has an easy job – if they intend to be stewards of the law, & not merely activists for a demographic that wishes it was still 1946.
Comment by jim — August 6, 2010 @ 10:51 pm – August 6, 2010
Uh … anybody got a Kleenex handy?
Well, as long as we’re cross-posting, I left this over at Ed Brayton’s place—it’s the end of the week and I’m to lazy to rephrase it:
if we’re going to have money based on some “real” quantity, it should be energy
Agreed. And for the best security, be sure to keep yours in numbered Swiss batteries.
I am going out honkytonkin’ and rocking out to my favorite local band.
Surf punkabilly?
Not that that’s a bad thing.
I’m mixing up rum and coke in a pint glass.
you say that as if there’s another way to do it.
you say that as if there’s another way to do it.
Have you never mixed up rum and coke in a Big Gulp cup? If not, you haven’t lived (or at least haven’t been to my high school.)
Have you never mixed up rum and coke in a Big Gulp cup?
Pikers.
If you haven’t mixed up rum and Coke in a jerry can, I don’t want to know from you.
She’s eating for two and therefore I must drink for two.
And I’m packing for two….