Stooping Wesward
Low, wry, der
Wes Vernon, RenewAmerica:
Kagan: another “ruling class” slap in the face to the American majority
- The ruling class is a leftist cabal. Whoah, if you’re buying that, I might as well cut some corners on these smears of Kagan.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
* Title cf.
† This ‘ruling class’ critique of the left has been around since Tom Wolfe’s New York magazine article, ‘Radical Chic: That Party at Lenny’s,’ and as Wes notes, it is currently being plied by Angelo Codevilla, a writer and thinker who differs broadly from Tom Wolfe in sucking at writing, and particularly from the early Wolfe in sucking at thinking. Viz:
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
Conventional wisdom about Barack Obama’s and Sarah Palin’s intellects illustrates the question. I have not heard Obama’s opponents describe his intellect as anything other than “high” and him as “smart” or “very smart.” Nor have I heard Sarah Palin’s supporters describe her as bright. What can be the basis for judgments so widespread and stark? Keep in mind that none of those who pronounce themselves on Obama’s and Palin’s intellects have the slightest knowledge of what they may be relative to one another, never mind in absolute terms.
If you’re simply gaping at that paragraph, perhaps still pouring lemonade from a pitcher into your overflowing glass with a record skipping on the turntable, perhaps as two guys in masks carry your TV out the door unnoticed behind you, then that’s what I’m doing too, with an unnoticed string of drool running out the corner of my mouth, and crows and magpies taking all my shiny things as the wastebasket blazes away unnoticed. “Wow,” I think without realizing it, “that’s freaking dum, spelled d-u-m-n,” gaping as a marching band blares through the room and out the other door.
Dum, but on a scale from “Ow, my brains just fell out”, to “MY FuKIn BRANZ!!!!11′”, this is off the scale.
So dum I ran to the bathroom and pissed a litre of Brawndo.
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
They’re not afraid of the phrase “I’m willing to learn”.
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
They don’t claim god like abilities like “Perfect Knowledge” and “Mind Reading” as part of their chains of evidence.
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
They’re not a Registered Republican.
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
They have mastered the language skills taught in fourth grade.
Codevilla pinpoints all the requirements for advancement among the elite, including (but not confined to) “being in with the right people, giving signs that one is on the right side, and joining in despising the Outs.”
As another wag here said, projection this powerful can show a movie on the surface of the moon from earth. Do any of these criteria not perfectly describe the right?
still pouring lemonade from a pitcher into your overflowing glass
In fact that’s Southern Comfort.
those who pronounce themselves on Obama’s and Palin’s intellects
Acceptable pronunciations are th?m-?selvz, them-\
— I looked it up. HTH.
I just wish I lived in this cartoon universe Gavin is always describing. I mean, I’m a cartoon, so why not?
FF not like schwa.
thəm-‘selvz, them-\
“Fa love schwa.”
“Then blow up that boat.”
Also: 850 Orthodox rabbis have declared Kagan to be Non-Kosher.
A stab at this ‘shortering’ business:
Madame Kagan would force states to recognize “marriages” in other states even though a state’s own policies are different — a backdoor effort to force same-sex marriage on the states whose voters — through ballot initiatives — have deemed otherwise. 31 states — mostly by ballot initiatives — have rejected same-sex marriage.
“Backdoor.” They really can’t help themselves.
Also: 850 Orthodox rabbis have declared Kagan to be Non-Kosher.
I myself like horseradish cream on corned beef and even indulge in an occasional reuben. This is a cross she’ll just have to bear, as it were.
Magnificent. Bravo!
Mon, I have met dem both, and one of dem is smart, and de other is dumber than a penguin, mon.
Give Wes a break. It’s clear from the picture he’s had a stroke. Gavin has conveniently placed an ‘X’ over the locus.
Nor have I heard Sarah Palin’s supporters describe her as bright
No kidding?! I wonder why that is.
“What can be the basis for judgments so widespread and stark?”
During the daytime, it is bright and sunny; at night, it is dark. What can be the basis for such a difference?
Backdoor.” They really can’t help themselves.
It’s either that, or someone’s shoving something (!) down their throats.
Madame Kagan would force states to recognize “marriages” in other states even though a state’s own policies are different
Let me take a guess that next up, will be the rejection of Article VI, Section 1 of the constitution, which, basically, says that states should recognize valid contracts from other states. I guess Wes would find no problem if Rhode Island had a hissy fit and decided not to recognize driver’s licenses from Massachusetts because Mass obviously gives them to people who can’t drive.
OK.
What the fuck is that dude talking about?
Also: 850 Orthodox rabbis have declared Kagan to be Non-Kosher
Kagan is Jewish? Didn’t know that.
So, do we get to call anybody who doesn’t approve of every single thing she has ever done anti-Semitic?
Also, aren’t criticisms directed at her are the same as calls for Iran to Nuke Israel.
Why do those rabbis hate America and Israel?
a writer and thinker who differs broadly from Tom Wolfe in sucking at writing
So he’s Tom Wolfe’s alter ego?
Nor have I heard Sarah Palin’s supporters describe her as bright.
Who needs bright when you got “starbursts”?
Kagan: another “ruling class” slap in the face to the American majority
So when George W Bush, of the Connecticut Bushes, was President, that was somehow not of the “ruling class”? A family that’s been in power longer than the Kennedys and can trace its roots back to the Founding Fathers? That’s somehow not aristocracy, but a middle class Jewish kid from my old neighborhood (who went to school at Hunter College High School with many women that I went to school with), that’s somehow “elitist”?
I’m tempted to hop out of the boat, but I like the mangoes I see here between the gunwales.
B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
They’re not afraid of the phrase “I’m willing to learn”.
This.
“Fa love schwa.”
“Then blow up that boat.”
“Fa. A long long way to run.”
That final paragraph should be engraved on a gold tablet and enshrined.
“Wow,” I think without realizing it, “that’s freaking dum, spelled d-u-m-n,”
And dumn spelled backwards is “nmud”.
I’ll pass on eating Elena Kagan. Especially with butter.
Keep in mind that none of those who pronounce themselves on Obama’s and Palin’s intellects have the slightest knowledge of what they may be relative to one another, never mind in absolute terms.
Well, I ain’t getting out of the boat, but tell me if I’m right – he proceeds with an attempt to do exactly that – right?
Does he come out in favor of stupid judges? More Clarence Thomases on the court?
“Low, wry, der”
Ah, Gavin, it’s so nice when you hit your stride early in the morning. Brilliant writing from start to finish. I wouldn’t dare sully it with any cheap ass snark I could add other than to add a cheers to N_B for the fucking pants pissing Day of the Dolphin reference.
Damn I love this place sometimes. Thanks all.
Keep in mind that none of those who pronounce themselves on Obama’s and Palin’s intellects have the slightest knowledge of what they may be relative to one another, never mind in absolute terms.
1) Sarah Palin doesn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is.
2) Sarah Palin can’t answer a question as basic as “what newspapers do you read?”
3) Sarah Palin isn’t capable of naming a single Supreme Court case she disagreed with other than “Roe v. Wade” (Dred Scott, for pity’s sake?)
Does that make her stupid? Maybe, maybe not. But it does make her tremendously uninformed, far too uninformed to have the slightest grasp of what she’s doing at the national level (which is probably why she serves no purpose other than to be a sock puppet for less appealing conservatives). Whether or not she’s stupid, she does not belong in national politics, any more than I would belong in a moose-hunting expedition.
[B]y what means can we consider anyone’s claim of intellectual superiority?
By whether or not a person recognizes “pronounce” is not a reflexive verb?
Thomas has proven to be more mean-spirited than I would have predicted. He’s his whole own brand of mean, different from Scalia.
But about intelligence, it’s just that Sarah Palin doesn’t perform well during interviews or speeches. She’s actually quite bright*, but no one would ever offer her a job that involved these things, like speaking for money or hosting a TV show. See? It all makes sense.
*Sometimes I’m still amazed that computers don’t start shooting sparks out the front when I write things like that.
When I see the Vanderbilts down at the union hall I will snub them.
She’s actually quite bright*
She’s got the same native smarts that Tila Tequila and Paris Hilton have – knowing where the money is, and how to sell herself.
Elena Kagan IS a ruling class slap in all of our faces. The Ruling Class doesn’t give a shit if you’re a Democrat or a Republican, so long as you spout whatever they want you to spout you’re good with them.
It ain’t our side that Obamas on.
She can handle things, she’s smart, not like everybody says. Not dumb, she’s smart, and she wants respect!
I don’t…what?
Also, do the Republicans *really* think that bashing Thurgood Marshall is a good strategy? Are they just hoping that nobody will know who he is?
“TruculentandUnreliable said,
June 29, 2010 at 16:03
Also, do the Republicans *really* think that bashing Thurgood Marshall is a good strategy? Are they just hoping that nobody will know who he is?”
It’s all about the audience you’re playing to.
When I see the Vanderbilts down at the union hall I will snub them
I shall alert them of this fact, my good friend. Why, just the other day, I was sitting with Cornelius in the steam room after the regatta as he regaled us with tales of the last polo match he attended, that he needed to be more in touch with the common man.
He switched to well liquor for his next Manhattan.
It’s all about the audience you’re playing to.
They do realize that audience tiny and is dying off day by day, right?
By whether or not a person recognizes “pronounce” is not a reflexive verb?
Damn straight. Fro now on, I’m antinounce.
Fro now on, I’m antinounce.
I’ll be ambinounce
Damn straight. Fro now on, I’m antinounce.
Is it possible to be ambivalentnounce?
If I were Dan Brown* I would explain that the missing “m” is part of a vast international conspiracy lasting centuries, but actually, I just fucked up.
*I’m not Dan Brown. I’m middle class and my brain functions.
I’ll be ambinounce
Dammit. Yours sounds better.
Dammit. Yours sounds better.
It has a certainly aural ambinounce, yes.
Is it possible to be ambivalentnounce?
Only if you can convince your hubby and a checkout girl to pitch in.
Also, do the Republicans *really* think that bashing Thurgood Marshall is a good strategy? Are they just hoping that nobody will know who he is?
I’m convinced that eventually, they’ll work their way up to bashing the Founding Fathers. Their kind of movement requires blind, absolute devotion to each and every little bit of their ideology, which the Founders didn’t have (nor did any of the leading presidents in our history).
Fucking nouncing. How does it work?
Cause I want be denounce.
Fucking nouncing. How does it work?
You see, Timmy, when a verb and an adjective love each other very much and want little pronouns, first they do something called “fucking.”
Only if you can convince your hubby and a checkout girl to pitch in.
I don’t know exactly what this means, but it sounds like fun?
You see, Timmy, when a verb and an adjective love each other very much and want little pronouns, first they do something called “fucking.”
And nine months later, there’s announce!
I don’t know exactly what this means, but it sounds like fun?
Depends on the checkout girl, I suspect.
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soullite said,
Elena Kagan IS a ruling class slap in all of our faces. The Ruling Class doesn’t give a shit if you’re a Democrat or a Republican, so long as you spout whatever they want you to spout you’re good with them.
But you see, the two party system is more effective at extracting lobbying dollars than the one party system. It’s like the free market and stuff!
Is it possible to be ambivalentnounce?
Only if you can convince your hubby and a checkout girl to pitch in.
A tetrad requires one more.
Depends on the checkout girl, I suspect.
Ew. Good point.
A tetrad requires one more.
Well, announce of prevention, as they say…
Depends on the checkout girl, I suspect.
But if she is good, you can renounce.
Hopefully.
But if she is good, you can renounce.
And if she’s bad, you can always denounce.
But if she is good, you can renounce.
So she’ll bounce?
“Depends on the checkout girl, I suspect.”
Well, if there are Depends on the checkout girl, you can count me out.
And if she’s bad, you can always denounce.
We must be clear. We must enounce our intentions.
Well, if there are Depends on the checkout girl, you can count me out.
Your tune will change when you’re old and toothless, you do realize.
The toofless are excellent subjects for caterpillar experiments.
It’s fascinating to pull back a little bit and contemplate Renew America as a sort of overall phenomenon; when they say “renew” I think that what they really mean is “repeat”, kind of like how you renew a library book over and over again that you haven’t gotten around to reading, but can’t bring yourself to give up on. In this case, what Vernon is repeating is the old “limousine liberal” trope, something that might have been plausible coming out of the mouth of Richard Nixon (it was actually coined by a Democrat running for NYC mayor against John Lindsay, back when it was still remotely possible to describe a GOP candidate as such), but ludicrous when used in the service of the Bushes, or even Reagan, who came from a humble background but had plenty of money by the time he ran for president. And, really, just about everybody at RA comes off as unreconstructed Nixon/Reagan Republicans, the type who would bitch about DFHs during the day and sneak off at night to smoke a little weed and maybe get some swinging action. Vernon, Codevilla, the loathsome homophobe Elaine Donnelly–imagine them forty years younger, with sideburns or in pantsuits, with “Silent Majority” bumper stickers on their woody station wagons, telling the babysitter that they’d better not smell pot when they got home as they’re heading off to a key party.
Even the RA writers who don’t seem that old come off as a blast from the past; for example, Jenn Giroux, who sports the toothy grin of a somewhat-better-fed Karen Carpenter. Giroux gives us the sad stories of women who embraced sexual liberation instead of squeezing out a whole litter of puppies, the way that Mama did, and tries to cite her experience as an RN to bolster her argument, but then blows it with this howler of a paragraph:
Right. It’s not that the kids or grandkids won’t visit them, because they can’t handle Grandma’s dementia or they’re busy leveling up in World of Warcraft or something, it’s that they ain’t had them no babies because breeding is a guarantee of future security. Yeahhhhhh, that’s the ticket. Maybe if Giroux had actually done some nursing in pre-Roe v. Wade days, she might have formed a different opinion from dealing with women that had died from botched back-alley abortions or had to choose between having a sex life or having any other kind of life; then again, maybe not.
The toofless are excellent subjects for
caterpillarConservapede experiments.Please do try to keep up with Internet traditions…
the old “limousine liberal” trope
Mario Procaccino. He might have been the most conservative candidate I’ve ever supported, but then I was rabidly anti-Republican back then.
As opposed to now, when a Republican like John Lindsay would have my sympathies. Funny how the world works, innit?
the loathsome homophobe Elaine Donnelly–imagine them forty years younger, with sideburns
So like now, only with less bleach?
Please do try to keep up with Internet traditions…
Including those I triggered? It’s bad enough I have to write this crap, you want me to read it, too?
It’s not that the kids or grandkids won’t visit them, because they can’t handle Grandma’s dementia or they’re busy leveling up in World of Warcraft or something, it’s that they ain’t had them no babies because breeding is a guarantee of future security.
Wait.
Roe v Wade has only been around, what, 40 years or so? That would make the people in this nursing home like 60ish, maybe seventy.
If you’re in your 60s and living in a nursing home, it ain’t because you’re too old. You have something else wrong with you. These folks aren’t being visited because they’re fucking loons.
When my dad was incarcerated (and here, I have to agree with her. Wards for the incapable are really as depressing as prisons, having worked in one and visited the other), it was all I could do to summon up the courage to visit him while he still had his faculties. When his mind flew away on a soft breeze, I couldn’t bear seeing him.
It’s bad enough I have to write this crap, you want me to read it, too?
It’s the least you can do after you’ve inflicted it on us.
I think that what they really mean is “repeat”, kind of like how you renew a library book over and over again that you haven’t gotten around to reading, but can’t bring yourself to give up on.
RenewAmerica is like “Gravity’s Rainbow”?
RenewAmerica is like “Gravity’s Rainbow”?
Spot on!
RenewAmerica is like “Gravity’s Rainbow”?
I’ve always suspected that people kept renewing “Gravity’s Rainbow” not because they want to read it, but they want everyone else to *think* they’re reading it.
RenewAmerica is like “Gravity’s Rainbow”?
A screaming comes across the sky.
If you’re in your 60s and living in a nursing home, it ain’t because you’re too old. You have something else wrong with you. These folks aren’t being visited because they’re fucking loons.
Or assholes.
A screaming comes across the sky.
Fortunately Sarah Palin lives within eyeshot.
The thing that bothers me about Sarah Palin (and other ‘nutters) is not that she’s not very bright. There are liberals aren’t exactly Mensa members. What bothers me about her is that she’s willfully ignorant. Oh, and also she’s lazy. Lazier than I, even, and that’s saying something.
These folks aren’t being visited because they’re fucking loons.
Or assholes.
Hm. Hadn’t considered that possibility.
Oh, and also she’s lazy. Lazier than I, even, and that’s saying something.
Dude, right? I see her try and wing it at all these events and I just cannot believe her gall! I am the QUEEN of winging it, but there’s no way that I would ever be as unprepared as her.
There are liberals aren’t exactly Mensa members.
Liberals never make a point of celebrating stupidity and ignorance. Yes, there are stupid liberals, but stupidity is not a virtue for us.
There are smart conservatives, but they’re never the most popular ones and they usually hide int he shadows of the popular, dumb ones (ie Cheney).
Hm. Hadn’t considered that possibility.
I mean, I also think there are children/relatives who just don’t give a shit, but people sometimes have very good reasons for not talking to their parents anymore, even when they’re old and infirm.
Yup. Exactly.
…but there’s no way that I would ever be as unprepared as her.
Well, to be fair, that’s at least partly because you couldn’t be as unprepared as her; you have a brain that you use on a regular basis while she considers doing such to be “elitist.”
For me, it’s the ignorance coupled with the hatefulness that does it. It’s one thing to be stupid; it’s another entirely to be a hateful bitch, which is what she is. It’s not for nuthin’ that she’s been known as “Saracuda” to the people she went to school with who have known her for 25 or 30 years.
Liberals never make a point of celebrating stupidity and ignorance.
…unless it’s Sarah Palin.
Well, to be fair, that’s at least partly because you couldn’t be as unprepared as her; you have a brain that you use on a regular basis while she considers doing such to be “elitist.”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I could parrot Republican talking points even better than her, which is sad, because I don’t even believe them. (Though I’m not sure if she does, either).
It also is unpossible that they simply never had children due to fertility issues or they outlasted all of their kids. Maybe the baby doll represents little Tommy who died when he was 12.
Nah, that little old lady must be an evil birth-control gobbling, abortophile. Therefore it is OK to slap her around when she won’t listen and steal her meds.
Oh yeah. There’s no getting around the fact that she is just a straight-up horrible “human being”. Just a dumb, nasty, nasty, nasty waste of oxygen. And the nutters just wuv her so much. For precisely that reason.
And the nutters just wuv her so much. For precisely that reason.
That reason and the whole fapping business.
I can’t let my terrible grammar faux pas go: that should have been “better than she.”
That reason and the whole fapping business.
Sarah Palin runs an exotic massage parlor?
Yeah. The moderately-attractive, poorly-coiffed librarian look makes everybody all starbursty…in their pants.
I don’t get it.
Sarah Palin runs an exotic massage parlor?
To the best of my recollection, no.
Yes, we don’t celebrate being mean either. I never got passed the universal acclaim for Palin’s “great speech” at the RNC that was nothing more than a collection of insults and jabs and general meanness. It was 45 minutes of attacks and apparently that constitutes a “great speech.”
At least when they celebrate Reagan’s “sunny optimism” they were pretending to have a positive vision of the future, with Palin they ditched the pretense. They’re going to get back at all the people who hurt them, and Palin will do it for them. Vicarious spite.
Yeah. The moderately-attractive, poorly-coiffed librarian look makes everybody all starbursty…in their pants.
I don’t get it.
Neither do I. If you’re going to do librarian pr0n, do it right. Pencils in the hair, silk stockings printed with Dewey Decimal codes, lipstick stains on the forefinger from shushing…
These folks aren’t being visited because they’re fucking loons.
Or assholes.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.
I don’t get it.
She spews the right talking points (or at least attempts to) and has chosen “sexy” as her aspect, so conservative rank-n-file is ordered to believe she’s sexy. It’s aesthetic authoritarianism, like how conservatives are ordered to laugh at “An American Carol.”
Yeah. The moderately-attractive, poorly-coiffed librarian look makes everybody all starbursty…in their pants.
I don’t get it.
Seriously? You don’t?
No means no!
To the best of my recollection, no.
You couldn’t remember a meme from one thread ago. How reliable are you?
Sexy librarian I get. It’s just I don’t think Sarah is–as the kids say–“all that.” Is all.
goddammit.
How reliable are you?
I have no sexual interest in Sarah Palin. That makes me damned reliable.
Sexy librarian I get. It’s just I don’t think Sarah is–as the kids say–”all that.” Is all.
Exactly. And I resent being associated with Sarah Palin in any way, shape, or form.
You couldn’t remember a meme from one thread ago. How reliable are you?
Probably more reliable than I am.
She spews the right talking points (or at least attempts to) and has chosen “sexy” as her aspect
The only other place I’ve heard “aspect” used in that manner was a discussion of why Roman statues of gods always are holding something: they’re displaying their aspect. So Jupiter always has a lightning bolt, Neptune always has a trident, and so on.
Priapus, of course, has a huge erection as his aspect. I guess that’s displaying sexiness…
It’s just I don’t think Sarah is–as the kids say–”all that.” Is all.
OK, so let’s take a look at that.
You have an entire malignancy of inactivity and ennui on the right wing of America, one that willfully ignores that which isn’t shoved into their face or rammed down their throat by their favorite media outlet.
This allows an opportunity to exploit that inertia. All one has to do is present a reasonable facsimile of something they’ve seen and likely desired.
Sarah Palin passes close enough to the sexy librarian that she gets a lot of attention. Put it another way: you’re sitting alone in a bar when a drunk comes up and tells you you look like (insert name of celeb you’d be flattered to be compared to here).
The fact that you’re sitting alone in the bar is a signal to the guy that you might be vulnerable to some flattery that isn’t too cheesy and isn’t too obvious. The only correct guess he has to make to initiate a conversation is who you’d be flattered by.
Enough guys try it, eventually one is going to hit the correct answer.
In politics, Palin has been the survivor of a long drawn out process that has seen her advanced ahead of a bunch of others who are just as mediocrely attractive, but who failed to strike a motherlode vein of desire.
The only other place I’ve heard “aspect” used in that manner was a discussion of why Roman statues of gods always are holding something
It’s a G thang, brutha… you woonit unnerstand.
Huh?
“The only other place I’ve heard “aspect” used in that manner was a discussion of why Roman statues of gods always are holding something: they’re displaying their aspect. So Jupiter always has a lightning bolt, Neptune always has a trident, and so on.”
John McCain’s aspect is his car keys.
The inmates go day after day and week after week with no children or grandchildren to visit them. They live a self imposed life sentence with the burning regret over the children they willingly prevented or aborted.
Did these crazy old ladies rocking baby dolls tell her this? Or because shut up, that’s why? Because I’m sorry but that is some USDA canner grade bullshit.
Huh?
Put it another way:
I gots yer “aspect” right here, homes.
She spews the right talking points (or at least attempts to) and has chosen “sexy” as her aspect, so conservative rank-n-file is ordered to believe she’s sexy. It’s aesthetic authoritarianism, like how conservatives are ordered to laugh at “An American Carol.”
Exactly. And is an attractive woman, especially, quite honestly, compared to most red state women I know. The fact that she has kids and, like, puts on real pants shows that she’s trying, you know?
The thing that bothers me about Sarah Palin (and other ‘nutters) is not that she’s not very bright. There are liberals aren’t exactly Mensa members. What bothers me about her is that she’s willfully ignorant. Oh, and also she’s lazy. Lazier than I, even, and that’s saying something.
Hee hee, if she were as lazy as I am she wouldn’t embarrass herself nearly as much, because there’s no way I hoof it someplace to give some idiotic speech when there’s NAPS to be had.
And is an attractive woman, especially, quite honestly, compared to most red state women I know.
I disagree. She is conventionally pretty, but is still far more repellant than attractive.
To put it another way, I can’t even imagine hate-fucking her, she’s so repellant.
My my, how Marxist of you to say so, Wes … or should I say “COMRADE”?
For values of “free speech” that include “awfully fucking expensive speech” or “speech from lifeless mercantile Shoggoths that can (& does) drown out speech made by actual human beings.” Stalinists in Congress? Back away from the crackpipe. Somewhere, Michele Bachman is slapping her beef curtains into a tizzy & reading this dreck … & the Birchers must love it to bits.
Pity what you’ve got is a Cult Of Batshittery that turns on a dime when the polls dive, throwing all its energy into crowd-pleasers like cutting benefits for the poorest Americans in a recession or licking Tony Hayward’s toes.
As for “not knowing what’s good for us” – it’s pretty obvious when you see people strenuously denying scientific fact in favor of magic thinking (especially in regards to things like climate-change that can – & very likely will – kick our collective ass around the block) that such people do NOT serve their own best interests. Sorry, Wes, but it looks like it’s “Elites – 1, Country party – 0” on that one.
In conclusion, POOP.
To put it another way, I can’t even imagine hate-fucking her, she’s so repellant.
What if you used a glory hole?
Exactly! Plus, I like to keep my stupidity to myself…or just share it with a trusted few. That being said, no one’s offering me the big bucks to shit inanities from my man-pleaser.
She is conventionally pretty, but is still far more repellant than attractive.
What’s repellent about her has nothing to do with her looks, though, which are probably better than average, especially when considering what right wing America usually looks like.
Unless you’re repelled by hair so tall it looks like the person’s scalp exploded.
What if you used a glory hole?
Wouldn’t help: it’s not a physical issue, it’s her essence that is rotten…possibly her soul has been tainted by her polluted bodily fluids.
What’s repellent about her has nothing to do with her looks
That was my (sloppily-stated) point.
“That being said, no one’s offering me the big bucks to shit inanities from my man-pleaser.”
What? Another thread devolving into scat?
S,N! – the premiere “I wouldn’t fuck Sarah Palin with your dick” site on the whole interducts. I just woke up.
We need a solid Republican opposition so no one doubts who Elena Kagan is — an enthusiastic agent of the minority left-wing “ruling class” that presumes to force its will on the “country party” — Codevilla’s term for those of us who (according to the elites) just don’t know what’s good for us.
Are these the same people who STILL talk about how classless and trailer park “Bubba” Clinton is? Jesus, these people INVENTED the fucking elite ruling class.
What’s repellent about her has nothing to do with her looks, though, which are probably better than average, especially when considering what right wing America usually looks like.
Exactly. If you didn’t find her personality to be repellent, and, in fact, were a lot like her, it’s quite likely you’d find her fuckable.
What? Another thread devolving into scat?
The arc of S,N threads is long, but it bends towards scat.
“Willfully Ignorant”. You sure run into that phrase a lot when Palin’s name comes up. Earlier this Spring, I’m out in Vegas for business, and get to chatting with an older guy at Nine Fine Irishmen; turns out he spent his career as a media guru for an Alaskan oil company which shall go unnamed, and got hired to brief Palin on the minutiae of the Ol’ Bidness. Over the course of 3 days, she’d glaze over in about 5 minutes, then get irritable and walk out. He bragged about how his was a heavy contributor to the McCain campaign, until her name got announced. He couldn’t bring himself to vote for someone that “willfully ignorant’. Said she was about the “stupidest” adult he’d ever met.
Also: 850 Orthodox rabbis have declared Kagan to be Non-Kosher. – Grace Nearing
Wow — the quality of Yeshiva education is going downhill. Do these so-called Orthodox Rabbis even know what Jewish positions are on subjects like abortion or for that matter the role of Halacha in a society where most people aren’t Jewish?
Not that Judaism teaches “have abortions whenever you want”, but Jewish sources explicitly sanction so-called partial birth abortions when the life or health of the mother-to-be is at stake. And Jewish sources generally don’t care whether the goyim follow the Bible or not — just so long as the goyim don’t kill Jews and as long as the follow the covenant of Noach.
The arc of S,N threads is long, but it bends towards scat.
As a S,N! thread grows longer, the probability of a discussion of scat approaches 1.
The arc of S,N threads is long, but it bends towards scat.
Like a free kick from Cristiano Ronaldo.
Anyone with an I.Q. over the weight of a duck knows that Palin quit as governor to cash in on all the paying gigs that were being offered to her. But, I wonder, what do her followers think of her decision to quit?
Palin didn’t quit. She was forced out by all the eeevul libruls saying bad stuff about her. And Leave Trig ALOOOOONE.
I wonder if she’ll bother to run for president. Do the rubes require that stamp of legitimacy to keep subsidizing her gravy train?
As a S,N! thread grows longer, the probability of a discussion of scat approaches 1.
Poop.
The only other place I’ve heard “aspect” used in that manner was a discussion of why Roman statues of gods always are holding something: they’re displaying their aspect.
I had heard it about Hindu gods, but that’s the usage I was going for. They’re carrying a symbol so they can be recognized; the symbol is more meaningful than the being.
it’s not a physical issue, it’s her essence that is rotten…possibly her soul has been tainted by her polluted bodily fluids.
Agreed.
Um, POOP.
There are smart conservatives [Citation Needed]
Jonah Goldberg:
One could argue that the chief flaw of, say, Stalin was his us-vs.-them worldview while at the same rightly arguing that we should have an us-vs.-them attitude toward Stalin and Stalinists.
HUH?
Exactly! Plus, I like to keep my stupidity to myself…or just share it with a trusted few. That being said, no one’s offering me the big bucks to shit inanities from my man-pleaser.
This could be your lucky day.
“There are smart conservatives [Citation Needed]”
Thinking……thinking…….thinking……
Fuck–Jonas–GET OFF THE GLUE.
That must be Jonah riffing on the Mustache…?
That statement appears to be yet another “it’s ok if you’re a US American” to be a fucking asshole.
Still thinking……..
Maybe the smart ones keep their opinions to themselves.
One could argue that the chief flaw of, say, Stalin was his us-vs.-them worldview while at the same rightly arguing that we should have an us-vs.-them attitude toward Stalin and Stalinists.
People can actually create shit like that without having their heads explode? DAYUM…
There are smart conservatives [Citation Needed]
Barack Obama!
Do the rubes require that stamp of legitimacy to keep subsidizing her gravy train?
Nah–I think the phenomenon of being successful despite being an illiterate, hypocritical snatch is good enough for dem rubes.
One could argue that the chief flaw of, say, Stalin was his us-vs.-them worldview while at the same rightly arguing that we should have an us-vs.-them attitude toward Stalin and Stalinists.
Uh, Jonah?
Is that a log in your eye or are you just happy to see me?
People can actually create shit like that without having their heads explode? DAYUM…
I’m pretty sure it’s the only talent Jonah has.
Awesome.
There are smart conservatives [Citation Needed]
Barack Obama!
FTW. Well played, sir.
Have double Martini…
it’s not a physical issue, it’s her essence that is rotten…possibly her soul has been tainted by her polluted bodily fluids.
I think of it as a lack of maturity. She learned as a kid that picking on the fat/black/handicapped kid was the “in” thing to do because the other kids were doing it; her arrested development in that stage never allowed her to think beyond that to “what must it feel like to not only be the odd man out, but to also be the target of derision by everyone else?”
I mean, I think back on my childhood, and I was involved in a certain amount of this kind of stuff, I’m ashamed to say. But I grew out of it. And like I said, I feel ashamed that I ever was involved in it. And even though as an adult I can be pretty abrasive, and say a lot of things that are less than tactful, and quite often think of myself as a not-so-nice person, it’s that last that sets me apart from her…because I DO realize it, and I do feel bad about it, at least when I should (because I do not believe that in all instances my abrasiveness and tactlessness is unwarranted, and in those situations I am unapologetic). And even with all that, I can remember one incident from childhood, when I was 7, that I wasn’t a horrible little member of the crowd – there was a terrifically fat girl in our class – this in a time when fat kids and especially REALLY fat kids were rare – who was the constant butt of jokes and ridicule. (She has since died, the result of the thyroid/endocrine issues which caused her to be fat in the first place.) One day on the playground, as all the kids were one by one taunting her about how she couldn’t play with them because she was FAT, I looked at her and could see how hurt she was. I walked up to her and grabbed her hand and said, “it’s ok Jan, you can play with ME.” I did this even though I too was put off by her fat (and I hate to say I still am repulsed by extreme obesity, but there it is). And for that one little slice of time, she was a happier girl. So that was in there, in me, even then.
The difference is, I never LIKED making people feel bad. I’m still guilty of doing it, a lot more often than I’d like to admit, but it’s not my goal.
It IS Sarah Palin’s goal. Because if she can make other people feel bad, somewhere in the blackened, twisted place where her heart should be, it makes her feel like she’s better than they are.
Like I said, she’s a hateful bitch.
FTW. Well played, sir.
Shucks. It was a lucky guess. I thought it was a trick question…*hicbelch*
One could argue that the chief flaw of, say, Stalin was his us-vs.-them worldview while at the same rightly arguing that we should have an us-vs.-them attitude toward Stalin and Stalinists.
Us-vs-them is the us-vs-them of Liberal Fascism.
There are smart conservatives [Citation Needed]
Barack Obama!
Hard to argue with that. Clinton, too.
Even though this would make my decade, I know it’s not going to happen. Much easier to stand on the sidelines and snipe. I’m sure FOX has her lined up to provide commentary* during the next presidential election.
UNLESS
There’s a change in campaign finance law that allows candidates to keep all of the donations & clothes for their personal use.
*For lack of a better term.
Like I said, she’s a hateful bitch.
Straight out of Mean Girls–Tina Fey had a premonition.
I don’t know if you’re making a joke, a REALLY dirty joke, or offering to me pay me for my retarded blog. I hope it’s one of the first two, as I really ought not to be encouraged.
a REALLY dirty joke
The man pleaser thing got me going
Tee hee. That one always makes me laugh. ‘Cuz it’s funny AND offensive.
Tee hee. That one always makes me laugh. ‘Cuz it’s funny AND offensive.
That’s where I go when I want to be offensive. “Shut your man-pleaser, woman!” That gets me laid more than you can imagine.
Uh huh. Sure. And I bet “Make me a damn sammich!” gets you enthusiastic blowies.
I don’t know if you’re making a joke, a REALLY dirty joke, or offering to me pay me for my retarded blog.
See, this is why you love me: you don’t have to ask this question.
Uh huh. Sure. And I bet “Make me a damn sammich!” gets you enthusiastic blowies.
Nah–the sub role tends to be most effective.
That is indeed why I love ya, actor! I think that’s why we all do! Because we all get our checks on time. When you think I’m going to zig, I zag. When you think I’m going to zag, that’s when I zog. *
*joke stolen from best show of all time, “Newsradio”
I bet “Make me a damn sammich!” gets you enthusiastic blowies.
Nah–the sub role tends to be most effective.
I see what you do there, playing the hero card.
But I grew out of it.
Yeah, the whole party stinks of junior-high-level emotional games. But most kids and teens eventually learn, and then realize that ignorance such as their own is a problem. When she’s talking, I get the feeling she knows how hateful she’s being but simply doesn’t care as long as it gets her attention/cash/power/boy-toys.
Seriously, you guys have to read Gravity’s Rainbow, if you haven’t. It’s like if Gavin ate a bucketful of meth and posted nonstop for six months.
Plus POOP references and Nazis and drugs.
I’m convinced that eventually, they’ll work their way up to bashing the Founding Fathers
Didn’t I see that the Texans have evicted Thomas Jefferson from the history books, in favour of John Calvin? Eventually is now.
One could argue that the chief flaw of, say, Stalin was his us-vs.-them worldview while at the same rightly arguing that we should have an us-vs.-them attitude toward Stalin and Stalinists.
One could argue that Jonah Goldberg is a complete moron while at the same time…no, it doesn’t work for just anything I guess.
Neither do I. If you’re going to do librarian pr0n, do it right. Pencils in the hair, silk stockings printed with Dewey Decimal codes, lipstick stains on the forefinger from shushing…
I’ll, er, uh, be in my bunk.
For that matter, haven’t all Supreme Court nominees been non-kosher? (Roger B. Taney had split hooves but didn’t chew the cud).
Even though this would make my decade, I know it’s not going to happen. Much easier to stand on the sidelines and snipe. I’m sure FOX has her lined up to provide commentary* during the next presidential election.
Yep.
Of course it’s possible that she’ll do what Bush did, that is run for office, and if elected, simply go on vacation and let everyone else run stuff for her. But I don’t think she has the guts even for that. She’ll just keep sniping from the sidelines until she grows old and ugly enough that the conservative base no longer is interested in her.
BTW, this was an opinion of Sarah Palin’s character released during the campaign that’s still spot on;
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-131660
I submit that he picked her because she was a pretty girl.
For a slight change of topic: let’s look at the women in John McCain’s life by his choice. What do his first wife, his second wife, and his running mate have in common? You guessed it: they’re beauty pageant veterans.
Palin is not unlike Bush in that any time she’s caught doing something egregiously fucked up, there are always others around (Daddy, Teh First Dude, fanboys & cronies) to tell her it’s someone else’s fault & that she can do no wrong. Try to come up with one single occasion where she cops to screwing the pooch & expresses any kind of remorse or contrition … the sociopathy goes nicely with her messiah-complex.
“If it was ME in the White House, I’d already have that boo-boo with the oil all cleaned up by now, you betcha!”
I seem to recall the man-child that hooked up with her daughter descibing her schlumpfing around at home all day in her pajamas, being a couch-potato hooked on daytime TeeVee, ordering take-out from Taco Bell & bitching about the press … in other words, a forty-something teenager.
Many years from now she can go straight into senility without ever having her precious mind sullied by the perils of adulthood.
Palin is not unlike Bush in that any time she’s caught doing something egregiously fucked up, there are always others around (Daddy, Teh First Dude, fanboys & cronies) to tell her it’s someone else’s fault & that she can do no wrong. Try to come up with one single occasion where she cops to screwing the pooch & expresses any kind of remorse or contrition … the sociopathy goes nicely with her messiah-complex.
Frankly, that’s the entire conservative base right there. Look at the reaction to the Iraq war. Over one million Iraqis dead because of them, with no one even pretending anymore that WMDs or 9/11 had anything to do with it. But they’re still too big a pack of cowards to face up to their sins, so instead, they run sobbing to people like Palin who tell them “there, there, of course we didn’t do anything wrong, it’s the liberals who are the meanies for trying to make you feel bad.” That’s what all the outrage over Obama’s “apology” was.
The conservative base picked someone who personified their own cowardice and unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything.
chew the cud
Veiled cunnilingus reference?
Didn’t I see that the Texans have evicted Thomas Jefferson from the history books, in favour of John Calvin?
wow. Have they time-traveled Calvin and shipped him across the Atlantic to become one of our Founding Fathers?
Kewl! Can I ride?
wow. Have they time-traveled Calvin and shipped him across the Atlantic to become one of our Founding Fathers?
I report. You decide.
Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)
You know, learning about Calvin when discussing Puritanism etc would make sense in a more advanced grade, but to cut Jefferson to do it? No.
It IS Sarah Palin’s goal. Because if she can make other people feel bad, somewhere in the blackened, twisted place where her heart should be, it makes her feel like she’s better than they are.
One of the things I thought that was so character-revealing about her earlier this year was her exhortation for Tea-partiers to confront “Subaru driving liberals with Obama stickers” and taunt them with “how’s that Hopey Changey thing working out fer yah?”
Break that down a minute. First, here’s a politician exhorting her followers to deliberately confront people.
Second – to what end? At the time she first said it, it was looking like the Health Care Bill wouldn’t pass. So, presumably, she wanted her followers to taunt Health Care supporters who might be disappointed about their political loss. “Hah, hah, you guys are losers!”
What kind of political leader would deliberately do that? Even in election contests, the idea that someone would exhort victors to confront the losers in order to revel in their loss – that’s really freaking scarey.
And then Third – The fact that she enjoyed her joke so much that she continued it even after Health Care passed was even weirder. Then she was just encouraging confrontation for the heck of it – “Let’s you and him fight!”
The woman can’t help herself from saying something personally nasty about Obama every time she’s within range of a microphone. Not a subtle policy dig, but an actual personal insult. Has there every been a serious opposition politician who has lowered themselves like that?
Even Joe McCarthy, I daresay, must have been more subtle, dignified, and mature in his hatefulness than Sarah Palin.
silk stockings printed with Dewey Decimal codes
If a friend is only turned on by Library of Congress codes, does that make him a fetishist?
I like to keep my stupidity to myself…or just share it with a trusted few.
We are flattered.
Lurking Canadian said,
June 29, 2010 at 21:37
Jesus, I hate these people. Exactly how long do you think America’s going to be able to compete with European or Chinese rivals when its youth is being trained not to know basic scientific or historical facts? It’s the path of the Spanish Empire for us.
LOL, they claim to want to assimilate Hispanics “the right way” but refuse to promote anybody who might have done exactly that and be able to inspire other Hispanics to follow his example.
Again though, they’re not racist. No siree!
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” Amendment I to the Constitution of the United States. How about those $1,000?
Will the textbooks also mention that the civil rights legislation was largely pushed through by northern, moderate, Rockefeller Republicans, who were despised and pushed out of the party by the conservative Goldwater wing that now defines “the Republican Party?” Will they also mention the number of Democrats who voted against the legislation, then switched parties to join the Republicans?
Oh God, yeah, because locking up Germans and Italians couldn’t POSSIBLY have been racially motivated, particularly the Italians who were still considered “colored” and despised as unAmerican immigrants by the entire Tea Party of its day.
Yeah, I’m sure the Jacobins and all the other violently anti-Christian revolutionaries that led the changes of the nineteenth century had a lot of Thomas Aquinas and John Calvin on their minds, you fucking idiot.
Last but not least observation,
Interesting dilemma, Jefferson, because he was also the original bastion of “small government” thought amongst the Founding Fathers, as opposed to the Federalists who wanted a bigger one.
Of course, the Federalists wanted a big government that would promote, protect and benefit the interests of big business, while Jefferson wanted a small government that would not. Guess who today’s conservatives side with in that particular argument…
You know, learning about Calvin when discussing Puritanism etc would make sense in a more advanced grade, but to cut Jefferson to do it? No
Oh, absolutely. You can’t understand European history without talking about the Reformation, the Counter-Reformation and the various schisms and splits among the Protestants. You can’t understand US history without knowing who the Pilgrims were and why they came, and why the Founders of the US thought religious tolerance was a Big Fucking Deal (TM).
But it also doesn’t make any sense to talk about the history of the US and not mention the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence, especially not when the reason he was cut is that he was in favour of separation of Church and State.
And at any rate, these people are not motivated by teaching anybody to understand anything. They are essentially trying to do Winston Smith’s job. To them, history is not the past from which we can learn lessons and understand the present, but rather the myth upon which to build a future they want to see.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” Amendment I to the Constitution of the United States. How about those $1,000?
Careful. They’ll trot out the old “it’s not in the American Constitution, it’s in the Soviet Constitution” argument before you’ve even had a chance to explain how that specifically eliminates an established religiosity to any civil proceeding.
If a friend is only turned on by Library of Congress codes, does that make him a fetishist?
No, it makes him discriminating.
If a friend is only turned on by Library of Congress codes, does that make him a fetishist?
No, it makes him discriminating.
Discriminating against beautiful, passionate, sexy numbers and for ugly letter combinations. That’s a sickness, not a fetish.
“I like to keep my stupidity to myself…or just share it with a trusted few.
We are flattered.”
Yes! Just bought still more tolerance for my idiocy!
Dewey is hooey,
LOC is poetry.
“Thomas has proven to be more mean-spirited than I would have predicted. He’s his whole own brand of mean, different from Scalia.”
Thomas has gotten increasingly meaner over the years because the black community refuses to regard him as the second coming of Thurgood Marshall. He’s not invited to speak at HBCUs; he’s not regarded as a go-to person for “State Of the Black Union”-type conventions; he’s not invited to any of the events that mark one as a mover/shaker in the AAmerican community. Why he would expect black folks to kiss his ring after he spends his time trying to strip them of their rights beats me, but self-hatred is a strange thing.
Dewey is hooey,
LOC is poetry.
Who wants poetry in their librarian pr0n?
You don’t want to sing the body electric online catalog?
Is it stacked?
You don’t want to sing the body electric online catalog?
I want hot steamy sex on a bed composed of de-barred catalog cards.
You bet your LIFO.
Dammit, N_B, you totally ruined my stack joke.
You bet your LIFO.
What can I win?
Dammit, N_B, you totally ruined my stack joke.
Ordinarily I only step on my own dick…
If you can step on mine you really will have earned a prize.
If you can step on mine you really will have earned a prize.
Engaging in impossible acts is far easier than difficult ones, since a vivid imagination is all that’s required, not actual effort.
An imagination that vivid is its own reward so NO PRIZE FOR YOU.
An imagination that vivid is its own reward
Only when in my bunk.
And the reason why Palin goes after Obama at every opportunity is because she’s inwardly seething that she can’t have him hung on her “pure white woman/wife/mother” word alone. One of the smartest things Obama has done is not confronted her in a way that would fire up her base. That Palin is a “flag-wrapped fuck toy” (in the immortal words of the excellent blogger Driftglass) and the kind of woman ignorant men would go to war for is the most dangerous thing about her.
Jennifer’s post needs someone to say something positive about it with no trace of snark, and I nominate me. Well written and moving, it was. Thank you.
Thanks for that last paragraph. I’ve been at the computer all day & I needed a good laugh.
So we’ve had this Separation of Church and State thing since oh I don’t know I guess LITERALLY THE ENTIRE TIME OUR COUNTRY HAS EXISTED, and yet people who are opposed to it and want (their own particular brand of) religion to have a role in government are called “conservative”? What exactly is the problem here, did the word “reactionary” disappear from the English language? Is it not “clericalism” because they’re not Roman Catholics? What is the deal?
Wow, this David Bradley guy is incredibly creepy looking, sort of like Dick Cheney as an overfed boy’s school dean or something. Not that that makes him wrong (he’s just factually wrong), but he’s wrong and you don’t want him to offer you free ice cream.
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=3418
Is it not “clericalism” because they’re not Roman Catholics? What is the deal?
Actually, pretty much. The argument Ron Paul made, which is the right’s rationalization for their theocratic beliefs, is that the Founders did not want a national religious institution like the Catholic Church or the Church of England, but that they did support a “robustly Christian nation.”
An idea disproven by not only the deistic inclinations of many Founders, but also the phrasing of the Amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” They were very clearly separating the government from not only church institutions, but religion itself. But try telling that to the Jesus Camp crowd…
You don’t want to sing the body electric online catalog?
Which one of us would be practicing the authority control? I want to make sure we’re gonna MeSH. (I’m Uncuttered, if that matters.)