Your Trouble Is Their Masturbatory Fodder

As millions of normal Americans prepare for Sunday’s romantic holiday, hundreds of wingnuts spent the night before last stocking up on vaseline and checking for leaks in their Ann Coulter blow-up dolls in anticipation of the Iranian government’s celebration of its thirty-first anniversary. A Tiananmen-style massacre, which is what they hoped for at the very least, would serve the wingnuts’ need to a)yell tough-guy epithets at the computer or tv screens, thus building their self-esteem, b)”show” that Obama is a pussy for not already bombing the Iranians back to the Pre-Achaemenid Era, and c)give them the violent imagery they need like so much Viagra so they can consummate their relationship with the nearest tubesock. But the occasion concluded not with a bang but with a whimper; it was as if Mom knocked on the door at just the wrong time. Sure, there was a communications blackout, many wrongful arrests, and the Basij beat people like all riot police thugs are wont to do, but protesters were not run over by tanks nor set on fire en masse nor did any mullah tear the living heart out of a righteous Christian or Jew and drop the body into a lava pit as a sacrifice to Kali-Muhammed bin Zoroaster. Oh noes! Sekshuall frustrashun!

But the Iranian government did brag on a nuclear capability it almost certainly doesn’t have, which was enough to inspire this shut-in von Clausewitz at Fucker Bowtie’s dump, who must have lately caught Goldeneye on TBS or whatever, to gleefully type eleventy-billion words of blargh the conclusion of which is:

The world knows the U.S. military can destroy any target in the world without using nuclear weapons. But what about Israel? That country, with a population less than that of New York City, has developed a “triad”—the capability to launch a nuclear strike from aircraft, missile silos, and submarines. Besides Israel, only the US, Russia, and China have that deterrent power. But would Israel use nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive strike on Iran? I suggest that is unlikely because, as we will see below, it is unnecessary in the usual sense. As for a non-nuclear pre-emptive strike, Israel cannot successfully attack Iran with conventional weapons or aircraft. The distance is great, the defenses formidable, and the casualties would be very high. Instead, I believe Israel will use an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon…

…If Israel used one of its Jericho III missiles to detonate 400 kilometers above north central Iran there would be no blast or radiation effects on the ground. In fact, if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning. This bloodless annihilation, coupled with a selective cyber attack, would freeze Iran for decades…. Iranian “Green” opposition forces would have an opportunity to take to the darkened streets of Tehran and rid themselves of the corrupt clerical regime.

After which they will presumably thank Israel for ruining their infrastructure and putting them in the Stone Age. And surely their attitude to America would be all like, “Thank you so much! Please build military bases here; you can have our oil for free cuz we luvz u!” Sure. This idiot goes by the name of “Chet Nagle”. I suggest something more catchy; how about “Steven den Worst”?

Stupidity is repeating the same action but expecting different results each time. All these wingnuts who are for bombing Iran with whatever weapon still believe that “we will be greeted as liberators” — which was a fucking retarded assumption to begin with but after Iraq so utterly clueless I ..well, my mind is boggled by it; I can think of nothing to compare them to.

The best thing to do to help liberalize Iran is to leave it the hell alone.

 

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An EMP strike?! Is he friggin’ nuts (ok obviously he is, but still)? With a selective cyber attack, presumably selectively going after everyone who happened to have turned off their electronics. Oh, and any modern military hardware. And I’m not seeing the “for decades” thing either. Does Skippy McDumbass think that Iran is a blackhole of technical expertise without any cash (because those silly moon worshippers don’t know about the oil, shhhh don’t tell them) or that Russia and China won’t happily send some replacement equipment and experts in exchange for credit backed by petro-dollars?
Amazing Skippy hasn’t been hired by the IDF general staff.

 
 

Iranian “Green” opposition forces would have an opportunity to take to the darkened streets of Tehran and rid themselves of the corrupt clerical regime.

Right. Because an EMP only disables the evil electricity so their cell phones would still work and they could Tweet and Facebook the Revolution…

 
Garry Allyn DeManty
 

Predictible liberalism, Michael Ledeen was on Mark Levin’s show a few days ago and expected that these lies would come out of Iran. The reality of the situation is that this was a triumphant move for freedom by the Iranians and the Mullahs will soon be out of power if Obama were to give aid to freedom fighters. But he doesn’t so the revolution might fail because he doesn’t stand for liberty globally. You should read more Ledeen, he knows what’s up in that country

 
 

Real life versus Tom Clancy. Compare and contrast.

 
 

HT, I concur with your conclusion.

Sometimes, the best way to heal an open wound is to let it be and let the body heal itself. Over the past twenty years, we’ve seen the disillusionment of the Iranian people, particularly the youth, grow.

They see the world around them advancing. They see that, while they’re more advanced than most nations in the Middle East and South Asia, they still lag woefully behind countries that just a decade ago were barely above cutting mangoes off trees to feed their people.

They know this regime is not helping them, and they’ll do something about it when they are good and ready. We don’t need another Iraq or Afghanistan. We still have the originals.

 
 

Michael Ledeen was on Mark Levin’s show

Who? On what now?

 
 

The reason you have the wingnuts supporting this kind of nonsense is because it plays into all of the things they believe (America is the good guy and always has been, so why wouldn’t a liberated Iran love us?) and all of the things they’ve been told by the only media they trust (Rich Lowry’s “We’re Winning” is a good example).

Plus, there’s a long-running neocon idea that the US, being the most powerful nation in the world, should have been throwing its weight around in the Mideast a long time ago. So this is just another fantasy that supports the “reality” they’re so big on.

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

If Israel bombs Iran it will violate Iran’s civil rights.

 
 

Stupidity is repeating the same action but expecting different results different results each time.

Which is why the GOP offers tax cuts tax cuts to every economic problem economic problem, always love bombing brown people brown people, and are just generally clueless about basic reality basic reality.

(Sorry. Couldn’t resist couldn’t resist.)

 
 

Michael Ledeen was on Mark Levin

Garry has no problem with gays on the radio, apparently.

 
 

Shorter Garry

“I approve of a nuclear Apocalypse/Genocide obly if it kills people who Neocon shitbags have approved of hating”

 
 

Stupidity is also not being able to do a correct “blockquote” tag when quoting someone else.

Oh, and being named “Garry.” (Which is what poker players refer to as a “tell”.)

 
 

if Obama were to give aid to freedom fighters. But he doesn’t

Annnnnnnnnnd you know this…how?

How specifically are you so certain that there aren’t hundreds, thousands, of covert operatives in Tehran right now, supplying arms and intel to Iranian dissidents?

 
 

I don’t see why people think detonating a nuclear weapon over a foreign country’s populated areas would be so controversial.

 
 

“if Obama were to give aid to freedom fighters. But he doesn’t”

You mean like Reagan did when he covertly sold weapons to Iran to fund terrorists in South America?

 
 

By the way, what would be awesome if we would manipulate the various other chemicals and whatnot in the nuclear weapons so that they made different colors, and then we could just tell the Iranistanians that we were just presenting them with a big fireworks display.

 
 

I don’t see why people think detonating a nuclear weapon over a foreign country’s populated areas would be so controversial.

“We’re not nuking you! We’re nuking near you!”

 
 

we were just presenting them with a big fireworks display.

“Mommy! The purple ones make my skin crawl! Look!”

 
 

Michael Ledeen was on Mark Levin’s show a few days ago

That reminds me, does Ledeen still think Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead?

 
 

their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning.

Incubators would stop working, dialysis machines, etc. Bloodless, not so much. Also, decades? Really? Does he think nothing is shielded (esp fucking REACTORS), that actual equipment would be irreparably broken, or that replacements could only be shipped in via snail caravans?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Fucker Bowtie’s dump

Is “Fucker Bowtie” an ongoing thing? Because that combined with “dump” made me guffaw embarrassingly.

 
 

“We’re not nuking you! We’re nuking near you!”

“We’re nuking with you!”

 
 

The neutron bomb was ‘bloodless’ too. Except for all that loss of life.

Chickenhawks loves them some booms. If they can tell themselves that it’s bloodless, they figure nobody will object.

 
 

Snail caravans would be awesome, though. Just the thing for the monumentally stoned.

 
 

I can’t see how a nuclear attack would make things difficult with other countries like Russia, China, India, or Japan, not to mention Pakistan.

 
 

Nukes of Love and Concern, El Cid.

 
 

Snail caravans would be awesome, though.

Cool name too.

S-Cargo Freight Haulers.

 
 

a selective cyber attack

Jeff Goldblum with a Powerbook?

 
 

In fact, if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning. This bloodless annihilation, coupled with a selective cyber attack, would freeze Iran for decades.

Shorter Chet Nagle:

“The best way for Iran to adopt modern values is to EMP and cyber-attack them into the Stone Age”

 
 

So much for any fly-by-wire airliner in or near Iranian airspace at the time.

 
 

“We’re bringing a little bit of sunshine to your skies, Iran!”

 
 

Besides, everyone knows EMP effects respect political boundaries.

 
 

Does Skippy McDumbass think that Iran is a blackhole of technical expertise without any cash (because those silly moon worshippers don’t know about the oil, shhhh don’t tell them) or…

Skippy McDumbass exemplifies the whingnutz complete, total, utter, 100%, overwhelming, universal, and comprehensive too ignorance of what things are actually like anywhere outside the only 5 mile radius of geography that they know.

FYWP. And such as.

I SAID, FYWP.

 
 

You mean like Reagan did when he covertly sold weapons to Iran to fund terrorists in South America?

More like giving guerrilla training and anti-aircraft missiles to Osama bin Laden to aid him in his struggle against imperialism.

 
 

Also, having seen the recipe yesterday and so-called actor mention it today, I’m making crack pie today.

 
 

So much for any fly-by-wire airliner in or near Iranian airspace at the time.

You might recall that concerns for the safety of Iranian civilian airliners isn’t a high U.S. priority. And those darkies seem to be obsessed with remembering things like that.

 
 

At least Wingnut Bossman was wrong – he had heard talk about “a demonstration by Iran against the West” (probably been reading Prison Planet or some shit like that) and thought it might be a signal for a terrorist attack.

 
 

Well tig made the point I was going to. If anything electrical in Iran is going to survive an EMP, it’s the uranium enrichment centrifuges.

But what about the other end of the scale? Who’s damaged most by this type of attack? Probably folks in the urban areas – you know the places where resistance to the theocracy is highest. Out in the sticks, where religion is strongest? Not so much. Awesome – an attack specifically tailored to target the folks you’re trying to help.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning.

Uh, yeah, other than the fact that their lives would come to a COMPLETE HALT, they wouldn’t notice at all!

 
 

More like giving guerrilla training and anti-aircraft missiles to Osama bin Laden to aid him in his struggle against imperialism.

That’s not fair. We directly aided other Islamic fundamentalist warlord terrorist drug barons to attack the Soviet-allied secular government of Afghanistan; our allies in the Pakistani government (the ISI) used Saudi funding to recruit “Arab” jihadists such as bin Laden and to launch the Taliban.

C’mon, get it straight. We much prefer to simply look away and indirectly facilitate such things.

 
 

You know if we’re going to launch a nuke at Iran, a tactical bunker buster to the actual enrichment facility is probably going to kill less people than a EMP attack on the whole country. So what’s even the point of advocating this? Is it to be contrarian on the whole ‘nuking is wront’ thing, or is it just a dishonest attempt to make it sound more humanitarian? You’re both wrong, it’s because he just played Call of Duty.

 
 

Awesome – an attack specifically tailored to target the folks you’re trying to help.

America’s Specialty.

well, actually it targets the folks WE CLAIM we’re trying to help. The actual intended recipients of help are Halliburton, Blackwater, military manufacturers of all stripes, et al….

 
 

You know… call me crazy (SHUSH YOU), but I get the vague impression somehow… no idea how, but maybe, just maybe Chet knows nothing whatsoever about modern war AND thinks Iran is on a medieval level of technology (except of course for the uranium stuff!).

I’m sure he’s all “well the EMP won’t do anything to the average Iranian ’cause they all live in caves anyway” and all that.

 
 

And considering we have troops and bases on either side of the country. Is there even anywhere we could place it that we wouldn’t destroy our own shit?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

So, here’s a question, because I am scientifically ignorant: what happens if the power is cut during the process of enriching uranium? I mean, it’s obviously all protected and shit, but does it just sit there until the power comes back on? Can they retrieve it? What would be the point if they can’t?

 
 

Is a nuclear bomb similar to a bowling ball candle? Because Yankee candle makes some really pleasant scents. Speaking of which, Bowtie has no sense.

 
 

And considering we have troops and bases on either side of the country. Is there even anywhere we could place it that we wouldn’t destroy our own shit?

As I said, EMP effects are respective of international political borders and so wouldn’t affect any of OUR stuff – which runs on non-evil electricity anyway which as actor points out our God-blessed atomics don’t affect either.

So, see? NOTHING could go wrong!

 
 

I think, for symmetry, we should sell arms to Cuba to finance a revolution in Iran.

 
 

We could tell them we’re just offering special vacation opportunities:

The Thor missile carrying the Starfish Prime warhead actually reached a maximum height of about 1100 km. (just over 680 miles), and the warhead was detonated on its downward trajectory when it had fallen to the programmed altitude of 400 kilometres (250 mi). The nuclear warhead detonated at 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile from Johnston Island.[5]

Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP-damaged microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[4]

A total of 27 small rockets were launched from Johnston Island to obtain experimental data from the Starfish Prime detonation. In addition, a large number of rocket-borne instruments were launched from a firing area at Barking Sands, Kauai in the Hawaiian Islands.[6]

A very large number of United States military ships and aircraft were operating in support of Starfish Prime in the Johnston Island area and across the nearby North Pacific region.

A few military ships and aircraft were also positioned in the region of the South Pacific Ocean near the Samoan Islands. This location was at the southern end of the magnetic field line of the Earth’s magnetic field from position of the nuclear detonation, an area known as the southern conjugate region for the test. In addition, an uninvited scientific expeditionary ship from the Soviet Union was stationed near Johnston Island for the test and another Soviet scientific expeditionary ship was located in the southern conjugate region near the Samoan Islands.[7]

After the Starfish Prime detonation, bright auroras were observed in the detonation area as well as in the southern conjugate region on the other side of the equator from the detonation.

According to one of the first technical reports, “The visible phenomena due to the burst were widespread and quite intense; a very large area of the Pacific was illuminated by the auroral phenomena, from far south of the south magnetic conjugate area (Tongatapu) through the burst area to far north of the north conjugate area (French Frigate Shoals). . . . At twilight after the burst, resonant scattering of light from lithium and other debris was observed at Johnston and French Frigate Shoals for many days confirming the long time presence of debris in the atmosphere. An interesting side effect was that the Royal New Zealand Air Force was aided in anti-submarine maneuvers by the light from the bomb.”[6]

In part, these auroral effects were predicted by Nicholas Christofilos, a scientist who had earlier worked on the Operation Argus high-altitude nuclear shots.

According to U.S. atomic veteran Cecil R. Coale, some hotels in Hawaii offered “rainbow bomb” parties on their roofs for Starfish Prime, contradicting some reports that the artificial aurora was unexpected.

Yay! Rainbow Bombs! YAAAAAAY!

 
 

Yes, it just sits there.

 
 

“I think, for symmetry, we should sell arms to Cuba to finance a revolution in Iran.”

But only left arms because those are the sissy ones.

 
 

I want us to use the bad-guy-only-seeking power weapon we must surely have by now. Then, we would naturally be called in by the greens to run their country in trade for oil.

 
 

So what’s even the point of advocating this?

Virtual PENIS enlargement.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Yay! Rainbow Bombs! YAAAAAAY!

We can’t use those! They totally violate Garry’s Constitutional rights!

 
 

Oh please. At 400 km, you’d be lucky to get consumer electronics, much less any kind of shielded ones (i.e. military).

Not to mention stratospheric fallout.

Why can’t this jerk go masturbate to Soldier Of Fortune like all the other warmongers?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Yes, it just sits there.

So can we even get to it and get it out of the country? Or is the endgame to install a puppet regime that still refines uranium, but uses it on its neighbors instead?

 
 

Why can’t this jerk go masturbate to Soldier Of Fortune like all the other warmongers?

His Mom forgot to renew his subscription.

 
 

Maybe we can kill those animals they sent into space

 
 

True, but “The actual weapon yield was very close to the design yield, which has been described by various sources at different values in the very narrow range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons”

That’s a large nuclear device. Usually things are MIRVed these days,with individual warheads in the 200kt max yield range. That’s kind of an “out-of-stock” item these days.

 
 

Rainbow Bombs!

But… but … but they’d have to repeal DADT before the bomb could come out.

Also, iirc, Starburst has been put forward is the best explanation of the Roswell incident.

And FYWP again. With a rainbow bomb.

 
 

Oh fuck. Starfish. All the talk of rainbow bombs got me confuzzled.

 
 

Actually, now that I think about this some moar – maybe it wouldn’t be so horrific. Stopped for decades? Not bloody likely. I imagine international aid would be pretty rapidly forthcoming – after all they would be the victims of a surprise nuclear attack.

And how much damage would be done? Iran is a fairly modern industrialized nation, but I suspect they aren’t quite as reliant on delicate electronics as we are here in the West. That plus the impact of EMPs on actual equipment varies a lot, I suspect that a lot of it could probably be repaired fairly quickly. Most likely starting with the military and goverment stuff.

So what do we have – people in cities, the group most likely to be in opposition to the ruling regime – without access to a lot of the stuff they use for everyday living – for days, maybe weeks. Military hardware back on line later that afternoon. Uranium centrifuges unaffected. Militant extremists hiding out in rural camps in the middle of bug-fuck-nowhere unaffected.

International sentiment towards Iran experiencing a massive sympathy spike.

International sentiment towards Israel? For nuking another country? I dunno, doesn’t sound like a great PR move to me.

But on the other hamd, BOOM! A-SPLODEY!!! BOOM!

 
 

“…If Israel used one of its Jericho III missiles to detonate 400 kilometers above north central Iran there would be no blast or radiation effects on the ground. In fact, if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning. This bloodless annihilation, coupled with a selective cyber attack, would freeze Iran for decades…. Iranian “Green” opposition forces would have an opportunity to take to the darkened streets of Tehran and rid themselves of the corrupt clerical regime.”

No. Iranian Green opposition forces would either fall silent or be silenced by a resurgent Iranian nationalism that played right into Khamenei’s hands.

The temporary setback of Iran going nuclear would be much less serious to the West than the long-term danger of handing over Iran to the hard-liners for another generation or two (during which they’d just keep working that much harder towards achieving a nuclear weapon). Especially since an attack would not only strengthen the hard-liners’ hand but also increase their paranoia and fear of losing power, which would translate to an even more dangerous foreign policy.

We learned to live with a nuclear Russia, China and North Korea; we even managed to live with a nuclear South Africa, which destroyed its weapons after going through its own version of the Green Revolution. A nuclear Iran would be a setback, but not the end of the world. And not necessarily the worst option on the table.

 
 

..bright auroras were observed in the detonation area as well as in the southern conjugate region on the other side of the equator from the detonation.

I gotta geek out here and say that is wicked cool.

 
 

Iran’s new tourism slogan:

We’re Da Bomb, Kiiiiid!

 
 

…believe that “we will be greeted as liberators” — which was a fucking retarded assumption to begin with…

I see what you did there.

SATIRE!!

mikey

 
 

Sure We Fucked Around, But Now That It’s Morning In America – I Still Respect You.

 
 

Whups wrong thread. I blame Obama and the secret EMP attack on the microchip planted in my ass.

 
 

The distance is great, the defenses formidable, and the casualties would be very high. Instead, I believe Israel will use an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon…

In fact, if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down, and yes, those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning.

Then we send in Super Soldier Schiavo to dance on their graves!

 
 

Wait. What was that about bright areolas and southern conjugal regions?

 
 

We will be greeted as liberators detonators!

 
 

bloodless annihilation

Mayhap this is much like those bloodless sanctions on Iraq that led to those hundreds of thousands of deaths, the vast majority of whom were children? Because the parties involved in creating that scale of misery may do well to note that the world can collectively shrug that kind of evil shit aside really well by now – it’s had plenty of practise. But the world is also in several respects a phenomenally fickle place, so if it changes its mind on that, said parties are pooched.

Stupidity is repeating the same action but expecting different results each time.

Ugh, smells a lot like nostalgia for those “Speedboats Of Doom” halcyon days – back when deficits officially didn’t matter. Can someone fire up a stick of Nag Champa in here plzkthx?

 
 


BOOM! A-SPLODEY!!! BOOM!

well. there you go. nothing else needed for justification.

 
 

The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP-damaged microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.

Great, now I can’t visit Hawaii for DECADES, because we all know how long it takes to repair the total devastation wreaked by the use of EMP weapons.

 
 

I am sure this has been brought up before, (maybe even in this here thread but I’m too fucking lazy to read every fucking post. But I digress) but has there ever been a cogent explanation from the gun nuts as to why an armed citizenry is a good crime deterrent here in America, but that logic somehow doesn’t extend to the whole fucking planet? In other words, why shouldn’t Iran and every other fucking two-bit gunslingin’ bad actor in the world be able to arm itself, just like Americans?

 
 

Whups wrong thread

Wrong blog, more likely. Go back to someone’s mom’s blog and say it there.

 
 

The damage wouldn’t just go down. Nearly every satellite in low earth orbit over that entire hemisphere would be hosed. So your little bloodless nuke would would destroy a major fraction of the GPS constellation, telecom and video relays, weather satellites, spy birds, maybe an international space station. I don’t see a down side.

 
 

Smedley, no there hasn’t. Mainly because they have the conviction, (and it’s consistently extended to nukes) that people they disagree with or don’t like will not likewise be armed.

 
 

Go back to someone’s mom’s blog and say it there.

I would but traffic there is so crazy, it’s like everyone with an internet connection is in between her cascading style sheets.

 
 

Besides, everyone knows EMP effects respect political boundaries.

I was going to say, hmmm, you’re talking about a 1400 mile radius of effect thar, buddy. What’s gonna happen to all them Saudi oil fields? The whole Persian Gulf area? Iraq? Afghanistan? Turkey? Israel? Egypt? Pakistan? India? Russia?

Yup, makin friends all over.

“Nobody could have foreseen…”

 
 

“I am sure this has been brought up before, (maybe even in this here thread but I’m too fucking lazy to read every fucking post. But I digress) but has there ever been a cogent explanation from the gun nuts as to why an armed citizenry is a good crime deterrent here in America, but that logic somehow doesn’t extend to the whole fucking planet?”

On a semi-related note, I’d sure like to know why I, the citizen of these United States, am not allowed to own an H-bomb. The Second Amendment says “the right of the people to keep and bear ARMS shall not be infringed.” Not a damn word was ever said about guns, and “arms” covers everything from Star Destroyers to your bare hands. If we’re going to be strict-constructionists about all this, why the hell am I not allowed to own my own hydrogen bomb? I demand that my rights be respected, sir!

 
 

You know, from my extensive weapons training in Modern Warfare 2, an EMP only lasts for about a minute or so and then everything works as it did prior to it detonation.

 
 

so-called actor

“So-called” by casting directors, agents, and fans.

Really, PeeJ, what is your fucking problem with me? Or did you just need your diaper changed?

 
 

southern conjugate region

That reminds me of the time I slept with my math teacher…

 
 

an EMP only lasts for about a minute

I think you’re discounting the Super-Duper EMP.

 
 

And a mango: “pundits from Arnaud de Borchgrave, to Pat Buchanan, to Sarah Palin.”

This guy’s reading list is extensive, if, by extensive one means roughly from the right side of his anus all the way to the left side of his anus.

 
 

This thread leads me to ask whether anyone has read A.C. Clarke’s final book, a “collaboration” with Fred Pohl who did most of the actual writing? I can’t recall the title. I have it here somewhere but can’t be arsed to find it. If only there was some way to acquire that knowledge….

Anywho, a key plot element is a fine-tunable, orbital (?) EMP weapon.

 
 

Wrong blog, more likely. Go back to someone’s mom’s blog and say it there.

Oh *whew* It’s not just me, PeeJ is just being an asshole. Thank goodness.

 
 

I think you’re discounting the Super-Duper EMP.

Ooooo We’ve got dem? We’re, like, the coolest nation EVAR!

 
 

I think you’re discounting the Super-Duper EMP.

You can buy discounted EMPs at Wal-Mart. They’re called “tasers”

 
 

has there ever been a cogent explanation from the gun nuts as to why an armed citizenry is a good crime deterrent here in America, but that logic somehow doesn’t extend to the whole fucking planet?

Hey, look how well it worked in Iraq, where just about every household has at least one AK47. I mean, crime was practically nil in absence of the Iraqi police (thanks, Paul Bremer!). And all those armed Iraqis just almost drove the US Military right out of the country! Why, it was only the flowers and candies from the liberated that saved our troops!

 
 

Why, it was only the flowers and candies from the liberated that saved our troops!

I demand the right to bear Starbursts!

 
 

Arnaud de Borchgrave

I was going to say I’d sleep with that guy just to be able to say I had, but then I looked him up and he looks like a very old humorless dildo.

 
 

Oh please. At 400 km, you’d be lucky to get consumer electronics, much less any kind of shielded ones (i.e. military).

Sadly, no.

400K is just about right. Proximity has little or nothing to do with EMP effects in that way.

Perhaps taking up a collection to get that cheeseball a subscription to SOF is in order.

 
 

This idiot goes by the name of “Chet Nagle”. I suggest something more catchy; how about “Steven den Worst”?

Cant Gel He

Lag Tech En

Agent Lech

 
 

Oh *whew* It’s not just me, PeeJ is just being an asshole

I was being satirical. Fucking retard.

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srsly, it was a jest. How was I to know that was your TRIGGER!!??!?? .

 
 

Trigger is my trigger.

 
 

OK, fair enough, PeeJ. I’ll take you at your word. Please resume snarking.

 
 

tigrismus-

Was it the French name that got you aroused? I’m changing my name to Pepe LePew. Oh, wait…

 
 

BELGIAN. Obviously his name was not enough because, you know, EW ICK.

 
Sergeant Schultz, Israeli Defense Force
 

“…If Israel used one of its Jericho III missiles”

What Jericho missiles? Israel has Jericho missiles? I see nothing, nothing!!!

 
 

French, Belgian. I knowed it wuz one a them thar Yurapeein cheeze eatin’ countries

 
 

Hey! Sgt. Schultz is right! We’re not supposed to mention that there is only one nuclear power in the Middle East and it ain’t Muslim!

 
 

Comedy (!) from Don Surber.

*waterspit*

That first comment alone is worth the price of admission (which is free, btw)

 
 

Ya know, with wingnuts like this out there no wonder Iran thinks they need nukes.

 
 

Yeah Actor, love the first comment, especially this:

“Orly Taitz is not crazy. She is Israeli.”

 
 

S.

BINGO!

The weird thing is, I get that….

 
 

Ya know, with wingnuts like this out there no wonder Iran thinks they need nukes.

When there is this much weapons-grade stupid just floating around out there unaccounted for, it’s almost understandable.

 
 

“When there is this much weapons-grade stupid just floating around out there unaccounted for, it’s almost understandable.”

More than understandable. If we developed the Manhattan Project to protect ourselves from warmongering fanatics in Berlin and Tokyo, and later Moscow and Beijing, why shouldn’t the third world arm to protect itself against warmongering fanatics in Washington and Tel Aviv? It’s not like we’ve given them any reason to trust our motives, or to expect that non-nuclear status would lead to their being treated any better.

 
 

Holy crap … the comments over at Surb’s place are a fount of teh stoopid. In fact, if we could harness stupid and turn it into electricity, the person responsible for the following quote could light up the entire East Coast for a month. (Note: If I were to type [sic] after every mistake, this would be one [sic] quote):

As with Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden), Obama is just as much a progressive republican tool as he is for the Saudis and progressive Democrats. As a radical Sunni Muslim Obama is the worst progressive tool, we have ever seen. No Judge is going out on a limb for an improperly shaped effort, that does not locate the players behind the scenes http://www.vaticanassassins.org/?p=95.

Obama must prove he does not have Dual Allegiance within the Quo Warranto structure. The only facts which will motivate a declaratory judgment without a jury trial which will never happen are the undisputed facts that Obama’s parents were married at his birth and that his purported father by marriage by his owns words is a British citizen at birth and therefor making BHO a British Subject at Birth and for that basic FACT he has dual allegiance at birth and we need no other facts to discover- PERIOD. Lamberth must deliver on a Declaratory Judgment if he is to avoid my original proceeding at Circuit as I did with Leon.

Although I may be curious, I do not care where OBAMA was born, only that HE does not have two US Citizen Parents at birth. If Obama wants to stay in office then he must bring the DNA of a US Citizen Father other than Obama Sr. to compare with his own, thus proving that he has two US Citizens at birth. I believe He is able to do that, but will HE do that without exposing the Jesuits behind this mess – I think not. We are then stuck with Plugs Biden for the duration.

So … we’ve learned that:

–Obama is a radical Sunni British Muslim with dual allegiance within the hair band structure (“Quo Warranto”)

–Obama needs to prove he was a pair of U.S. citizens at birth who has a U.S. citizen father and another in Obama Sr.

–This is all a plot by Jesuits who apparently wanted a radical Sunni Muslim Brit running the U.S. so he can install a Jesuitisunni caliphate.

Ooooooooooooooookay then.

Methinks the local psych ward needs to reconsider their “one hour of computer time each day” rule …

 
 

–Obama is a radical Sunni British Muslim with dual allegiance within the hair band structure

Now, was that the band that did (You Spin Me) Right Round?

Cuz if so, I can see that.

 
 

an EMP only lasts for about a minute or so

There are medications which can help you with that now. You may find helpful e-mails about them arriving unsolicited in your intertoobz mail account.

 
 

“If Israel bombs Iran it will violate Iran’s civil rights”

Also their could of been some fgts in the isrealian army to bomb them. this violats the not fgts civil rights which is central to my point.

 
 

Stupidity is repeating the same action but expecting different results each time.

Actually, I believe that is the definition of insanity or psychosis. Works just the same in this context.

 
 

In fact, if the strike was at noon on a sunny day the people below would not know it happened except their lights would go out, cars stop, fridges die, power line transformers short out, refineries shut down

Oh, and a few people with holes in their retinas from looking up at the sky at the time…

those uranium enrichment centrifuges in caverns stop spinning
Electromagnetic waves travel well through several hundred metres of rock. This is why your cellphone reception is so good underground.

 
 

A.C. Clarke’s final book, a “collaboration” with Fred Pohl who did most of the actual writing? I can’t recall the title. I have it here somewhere but can’t be arsed to find it. If only there was some way to acquire that knowledge….

Like looking at Pohl’s BLOG, sir!

 
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat
 

“Shut-in Von Clausewitz” makes everything worth it.

 
 

“As a radical Sunni Muslim Obama is the worst progressive tool, we have ever seen.” And all the rest of that article –

For the record, I don’t think Obama was born in Kenya, or is a Muslim secretly or otherwise. But I also don’t see how either of these things would matter if they were true. Anyone who thinks being a Muslim makes you likely to sympathize with al-Qaeda is a fucking moron and needs to drag his ass out of his trailer to talk to some real Muslims – especially those from countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan who for damn sure have suffered worse and longer from AQ terrorism than any American.

 
 

“As a radical Sunni Muslim Obama is the worst progressive tool, we have ever seen.”

Can’t remember the dude’s name, but I red a Persian comic who pointed out that McCain was much more “Muslim” than Obama; he had more than one wife, loved oil and crashed planes.

 
 

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