Shorter Anne Applebaum

In Switzerland, towers of fear

  • The Swiss vote to ban minaret construction wasn’t about bigotry but rather about irrational fear of something that doesn’t even exist in their own country. And I think that’s a good thing.

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Folks, I know the shorter may be difficult to trust here, but that’s honestly the point of Applebaum’s column. Read it for yourself if you harbor any doubts.

 

Comments: 320

 
 
 

The fact is, we applaud the victory of our faggy, wine-sniffing, socialist-communist brothers-in-arms.

 
Smiling Mortician
 

Why’d you have to go and dare me to read it, Brad? Now my whole morning’s all whiffy with faux logic.

 
 

No, the ‘shorter’ pretty much nails it, although I am now dumber for having read the entire thing.

 
 

Who needs to get out of the boat when we have a mystical aura photograph above to guide us?

 
 

Why is Donald Sutherland thinking about Buckwheat?

 
 

Always. Trust. The. Shorter. ™

irrational fear of something that doesn’t even exist in their own country

So you’re saying the Swiss were merely engaging in Llap Goch?

 
 

Anne Applebottom probably ought to re-take English 101 at her local community college.

Yes. I, too, ignored Brad’s AND MY OWN advice and read the piece.

Sheesh. Now I have to scrape the crap off the walls of my brain…

 
 

Alt. Shorter: “Must have 800 words.”

 
 

As I wrote about Applebaum’s hideous thing earlier today on my Facebook page:

Applebaum is misleading, BTW, or possibly just wrong, about the demographics of Swiss Islam. It’s true, or almost true, that “the vast majority” of Switzerland’s Muslims are “from Turkey and Kosovo”. But it’s misleading, because even without the Turks, European Muslims constitute a clear majority (the Turks add another 20% or so). It’s also partly wrong, because the majority within Switzerland’s Muslim minority are not only Kosovars. They are more generally from the former Yugoslavia and include Bosniaks and other non-Albanian speaking Muslim Slavs, as well as ethnic Albanians from Kosovo and Albania proper.

Applebaum is also wrong to think that Turkish women rarely wear headscarves. That might be true of the Turkish women that Applebaum is likely to actually know, educated secularists from the Istanbul haute bourgeoisie. But women from the provincial working class that makes up the bulk of the Turkish disapora do, in fact, quite often wear the headscarf. (Though it is usually just that, a scarf over the hair; it is rare for Turkish women to go Full Metal Burqa.)

The tile of my Note was “Also: Supporters of ‘Jim Crow’ Laws Were Not Racist, They Merely Feared Being Raped and Murdered by Rampaging Negroes”. Which I rather liked.

Gary: that’s “cow-shagging, Kirschwasser-sniffing, petit-bourgeois ethnic-nationalist brothers-in-arms” to you.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

*sigh* I didn’t trust the shorter, either. I need a nap.

 
 

“Also: Supporters of ‘Jim Crow’ Laws Were Not Racist, They Merely Feared Being Raped and Murdered by Rampaging Negroes”

*polite golf clap*

(altho in view of the Woods scandal, “golf clap” might be risky)

*polite bridge clap*

Martini?

 
 

I used to work in an auto plant, and I can say that Leroy, Fatty, Bub, Double Fatty and all the other guys on the assembly line wouldn’t let Islamofacists dance their minarets in our town. Neither would Jo-Beth who brings the donuts on Friday also.

 
 

irrational fear of something that doesn’t even exist in their own country.

I’m avoiding the link, but I’ll take a stab and guess that the “something” is “brown people.”

Not that the Swiss think this way; it’s more of a statement on how Anne sees the Swiss.

 
The Goddamn Batman's Utility Belt Started With A Swiss Army Knife, And You Won't Believe What He Uses The Corkscrew For
 

I usually trust the shorter, but I just had to check to see if she worked her defense of Roman Polanski into it. No such luck; sometimes simple fail is just that.

 
 

OK, I’ll admit I jumped off the boat for this one.

A few weeks ago, I found myself walking through a Swiss village — okay, it was really a Geneva suburb —

Okay, it was a hotel lobby…Oh, all right, it was a pop-up picture book…

Still, it looked like a village: There was a castle on the hill, and I could see some Roman ruins.

A medeival military fortification and the remains of a foreign imperial occupation are “quaint”, and show the long, peaceful and tolerant history. What? no mention of a church with a torture-chamber in the dungeon to round things out?

There is very little evidence that separatist, politically extreme Islam is growing rapidly in Switzerland. The Swiss, however, read newspapers and watch television.

They also make watches, eat chocolate, keep secrets and tend to be fussy perfectionists. But stereotypes in the media are unfair, of course.

Because of mistakes made by Europeans and by the Muslim immigrants who live beside them, the two groups have, over the past several decades, failed to integrate.

Except that…

As grotesquely unfair as a referendum to ban minarets may have been to hundreds of thousands of ordinary, well-integrated Muslims…

Which is central to her point, I’m sure.

One thing is for certain, no pesky brown-skinned furriners are gonna be launching high-powered intercontinental ballistic dirty bomb minaret missiles in Switzerland any time soon.

WOLVERINES!!!

 
 

Shorter Brad:

I dare you not to trust the shorter. [Actor, Truculent, Batman you people are weak.]

 
Coach Urban Meyer
 

Take a solid SPREAD of SHUT THE HELL UP, loony libs, Da Cool Coach is back from the hospital! Ya better believe that I’m up on my feet and ready to put ’em in your socialist butts, badoodle boo yah! The way I see it, if crazed liberal Annie Applebottom and the socialist weirdos in Europe get it that the Obummer is trying to radicalize America, voters are already lining up to punt his pukey pals in ’10 and then he himself in ’12! Ding dong dilly, here comes the tide of terriffic, loony libs! Urban out.

 
 

Still, it looked like a village: There was a castle on the hill, and I could see some Roman ruins.

I had that same diorama when I was in middle school.

 
 

[Actor, Truculent, Batman you people are weak.]

It’s Tuesday. I figured Brad had a bad weekend.

 
 

here comes the tide of terriffic

The Red Tide of ‘Bama no doubt, CUM

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

[Actor, Truculent, Batman you people are weak.]

You’re talking to someone who had a giant bag of M&Ms for lunch yesterday. Believe me, I already know….
.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I had that same diorama when I was in middle school.

Holy crap, this one is awesome! And kinda racist!

 
 

You’re talking to someone who had a giant bag of M&Ms for lunch yesterday.

YOu’re eating healthy?

 
 

T&U, did you read the caption?

Don`t worry to make diorama. easy to make! easy to use!</blockquote

 
'Cause After All, He's Just A Goddamn Batman
 

[Actor, Truculent, Batman you people are weak.]

Dude, you don’t need to tell me either; I only wish I could be hard like Henry…

 
 

Longer Applebaum: “I’m a racist. Racist racist racist racist, and I’m a bigot too and a racist and a racist and a racist. And I’m dumb as a bucket of potatoes. And sexually dysfunctional too. And people leave the room when I come in, often doubled over gagging. And I’m a racist too. Plus, I poop a lot.”

 
 

You’re talking to someone who had a giant bag of M&Ms for lunch yesterday.

Define “giant.” I’m working on a pound bag of extra-dark pretzels…

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

YOu’re eating healthy?

Yup. And I’m on a killer workout regimen. I adjusted my chair this morning–twice!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Don`t worry to make diorama. easy to make! easy to use!

Yes. Doesn’t “Scalerama” sound like some sort of weird dermatological condition?

 
 

I’m working on a pound bag of extra-dark pretzels

Loony lib with your affirmative action. Eat white like the rest of us!

 
 

Doesn’t “Scalerama” sound like some sort of weird dermatological condition?

I thought it was a kindergarten music competition.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Define “giant.”

12.6 ounces. M&Ms calls is a “medium,” but it’s intended for like, 8 people. I don’t really even like M&Ms!

 
 

Loony lib with your affirmative action.

As each crunches in my mouth, I moan “Oooh, Tiger.” I may be attracting sidelong glances from adjacent desks.

 
 

12.6 ounces

Why, I’ve swallowed more sleeping pills in one sitting!

 
 

What? Too soon?

 
 

It doesn’t even read like she really agrees with the decision, but she’s contractually required to defend it.

 
Sebastian Dangerfield
 

Always. Trust. The Shorter.

Indeed, in this case, the shorter might actually have been too kind. Even for “Capitalism Created Hot Russian Women” Applebaum, this is a new low.

The column is a whiffle-ball of illogic and bald assertion that she hopes to send whistling past the rubes so fast that they don’t notice what utter and complete crap she’s spouting. “No one quite says what the real issue is,” but somehow Anne just knows what it is not (or at least “not entirely”): evidence of “Swiss bigotry” or “religious intolerance.” The source for this special insight into the unexpressed intentions of the voters is not named. Hell, she doesn’t even give us the Tommy Friedman School of Social Science research (“On my way from the airport, I asked my cab driver …”). And it is of course empirically false that “[n]o one quite says” what the referendum was about. Just watching teevee coverage of the referendum yielded many spokespeople for the referendum’s proponents, who essentailly made Applebaum’s excuse (such as it is)–viz., the cover story that because they have found a correlation between minarets and extremism, banning minarets is a prohylactic against extremism. The only difference is that these folks spelled out the absurd argument, whereas Applebaum attempts to paper over the gaping crack in the “logic” of the referendum with her glib Rich Cohen-esque ending. But even on her version of the cover story, the law remains a prohibition of something that is religious in nature and that has absolutely nothing to do with the putative fear being postulated. (Indeed, it is fair to assume that the ban will likely make Switzerland a target that it never was.) It is in fact such transparent bullshit that to spell it out helps demonstrate — as the posters in support of the referendum did — that the “real issue” is in fact bigotry and religious intolerance.

 
 

the cover story that because they have found a correlation between minarets and extremism guns and death by shooting, banning minarets guns is a prohylactic against extremism death by shooting.

Yet, somehow this logic escapes the right wing.

 
 

Big Trunk Johnson is writing (badly) about art again, which means he’s got his thesaurus out (no, really, he doesn’t feel at all inadequate because his Dartmouth undergrad degree only got him into a state law school while his blog pals went off to Harvard and Stanford), and making flaccid schoolyard taunts and lame puns.

But the real fun over at Power Line is Hindrocket bemoaning the fact that he can’t afford to buy tickets to a Sarah Palin bank account party, possibly because nobody hires conservatives.

 
 

Actor212,

Martini?

Why yes, thanks; the sun being above the yardarm somewhere on the globe, I believe I will take a pitcher.

Or eighteeen. With luck, the brain cells storing my memory of Applebaum’s column will be destroyed. Really, it’s a wonder they haven’t already spontaneously gone aptotic in protest.

 
Sebastian Dangerfield
 

In case she didn’t tip you off with the citation to Caldwell’s ridiculous “The Mussulman Overtaketh Christendom” screed, she goes ahead and puts it out there:

Because of mistakes made by Europeans and by the Muslim immigrants who live beside them, the two groups have, over the past several decades, failed to integrate.

I guess acknowledging that Europeans share some blame for the fact that the tiny minority of Muslim imigrants in Switzerland are failing to wear leather shorts is Anne’s way of trying to be even-handed. But of course the European “mistakes” consist entirely in their terribly well-meaning but silly, idealistic insistence on having civil rights laws. And then, omigod, you get “separate communities,” and you know what that leads to.

And just dig this follow-up with just a minor tweak.

Two or even three generations after their arrival, some European Muslims Jews still live in separate communities. They often go to separate schools. And a small but vocal minority openly refuses to respect the laws and customs of their adopted countries.

How un-self-conscious can she get? (Oh yeah, the Polanski piece and follow-up. Never mind.)

 
 

He quotes the vatic Gore

Does Chuckles know that “vatic” is usually employed to describe an infallible prophet?

 
 

And just dig this follow-up with just a minor tweak

Seb, I had the identical thought about Applebottom’s column, and in particular the rationale she gave to the Swiss decision.

Written 70 years ago, it would have been about the Jews.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Big Trunk Johnson is writing (badly) about art again,

“Doesn’t verse require rhyme or meter?”

No, no it doesn’t.

Though, really, that poem is pretty terrible.

 
 

“Doesn’t verse require rhyme or meter?”

No, no it doesn’t.

In fairness to Big Junk, the only verse he hears is “There once was a man from Nantucket”

 
 

I did suspect the poem to be terrible, and Johnson not wrong about that per se, but for some reason Vanity Fair is one of the few corners of the internet that is blocked at work and I couldn’t read it. I just liked the way he says “Hertsgaard doesn’t bother to elaborate on or argue for the poem’s excellence,” then argues that the poem is bad because Al Gore is fat or something.

 
 

Favorite line from Hindrocket’s post (emphasis added):

No one brings out the hate in liberals like Sarah. An interesting question: has there ever been anyone on the left who has prompted a similarly crazed reaction from conservatives? The closest I can think of–not very close, actually–is Ted Kennedy.

He’s right. Really. Not close. No one’s threatened to do Sarah up like her brothers.

 
Smiling Mortician
 

“Doesn’t verse require rhyme or meter?”

No, no it doesn’t.

Well, and the poem — at least the little chunk he quotes — does have meter. So. Wrong all around, then.

 
 

Do the Swiss ban thing? I didn’t know they did that.

 
 

Why yes, thanks; the sun being above the yardarm somewhere on the globe, I believe I will take a pitcher.

Mrs Tilton, have I told you lately how much I love your eyes when they’re glazed over with gin?

 
 

Thanks to Ambrose B, we have a ruliog:

BLANK-VERSE, n. Unrhymed iambic pentameters — the most difficult kind of English verse to write acceptably; a kind, therefore, much affected by those who cannot acceptably write any kind.

 
 

(a) ruling

(b) FYWP, where’s my blockquote

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

then argues that the poem is bad because Al Gore is fat or something.

Oh yeah, the fact that the poem isn’t very good (because come ON–it’s Al Gore) doesn’t mitigate the fact that he’s a douchebag.

 
 

Do the Swiss ban thing? I didn’t know they did that.

Sure!

Just ask about Nazi gold and see how long before they deport you!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

He’s right. Really. Not close. No one’s threatened to do Sarah up like her brothers.

Oh, those were just silly jokes! How can you even begin to compare that to the absolute humiliation and degradation of being on the cover of Newsweek in a pair of running shorts?

This is my favorite: I was invited to a small dinner with Governor Palin tomorrow night, but I’m not planning on going as the price was pretty steep (for a good cause, I’m sure).

“Good cause” = Crunchwrap Supremes and legal fees.

 
 

Why is Donald Sutherland thinking about Buckwheat?

OUCH. She does look like her stylist is a graduate of the Ayn Rand School of Beauty, though.

 
Smiling Mortician
 

How can you even begin to compare that to the absolute humiliation and degradation of being on the cover of Newsweek in a pair of running shorts in which one posed for a photo to be published on the cover of a magazine?

 
 

her stylist is a graduate of the Ayn Rand School of Beauty, though.

I thought maybe Frau Farbissina, but chacon a son gout.

And I mean “gowt”, not “goot”.

 
 

Ding dong dilly, here comes the tide of terriffic, loony libs! Urban out.

ROLL TIDE!

 
 

So the Swiss are going to just keep not voting to ban dragons? Dragons would be awful too.

 
 

So the Swiss are going to just keep not voting to ban dragons?

But they already did!

 
 

Christ, it’s like she and Douthat yesterday were working from the same notes:

* Refer to a failure among European Muslims to “integrate” [check]
* Name-check Caldwell’s book [check]
* Mention London, Spain, and van Gogh [check]

If she hadn’t changed the order of the references, ol’ Ross might have a decent plagarism case.

 
 

Snow glides from the mountain
Ice fathers floods for a season
A hard rain comes quickly

Then dirt is parched
Kindling is placed in the forest
For the lightning’s celebration

I don’t think it’s that bad: I like the way “ice fathers floods” feels in the ear, and the imagery is interesting. A little over-earnest, perhaps, but I think early efforts in poetry often are. Also: free verse. Suck it, Johnson.

 
 

They also make watches, eat chocolate, keep secrets and tend to be fussy perfectionists. But stereotypes in the media are unfair, of course.

I once worked for a Swiss person. He was about as fussy as I am. The other post-docs in the lab thought we were a good team. I guess I’m pretty close to Swiss being a small part Western Austrian.

 
 

Speaking as Heeb myself, I wonder how Ms. Applebaum would feel about the Swiss banning placing Mogen Dovids on houses of worship?

Jews who get wet/hard about Yurpeans being anti-Muslim really confuse me. Haven’t they heard about the Crusades (Yurpeans fight Muslims but first kill Jews to warm up)? Do they not think “jeez this rhetoric sounds familiar … hmmm … oh-uh, if I substitute ‘Jew’ for ‘Muslim’ …”?

 
 

Y’know, you read the shorter, and you think “There’s no way this can possibly be right,” and then you read the article, and you think “Well, I’ll be darned; it’s exactly right.” Granted, the shorter doesn’t capture the full stupidity of Applebaum’s word salad bar, but it at least hits the most glaring aspect.

Also, why the quotation marks when she talks about “the growth of the ‘far right’ parties”? What, does she think “Darkies Out!” is actually a relatively moderate position?

Also too, GO BEARCATS!

 
 

Sebastian,

I guess acknowledging that Europeans share some blame for the fact that the tiny minority of Muslim imigrants in Switzerland are failing to wear leather shorts is Anne’s way of trying to be even-handed.

To be fair, Muslims in Switzerland who pulled on Lederhosen would probably be mistaken for Austrians or Germans, thereby making themselves even more hated. The Swiss folk-costume is a sort of smock that looks like the maternity-wear version of a Ukrainian cossack’s shirt and has the most darling floral embroidery round the collar.

Incidentally, while looking for a suitable piccie, I came upon this “Fotos” page on a Swiss Fahnenschwingen (don’t ask) website that has been ZOMG H4XXXØR3D by Savage Moslem Terrorists…. cyber-Terrorists!!!!11!! So even if Applebaum is right, the Swiss anti-minaret, I mean anti-scimitar-wielding-Moslem-hordes, referendum has failed in its noble purpose.

But of course the European “mistakes” consist entirely in their terribly well-meaning but silly, idealistic insistence on having civil rights laws.

Again to be fair (though not to Applebaum, who has done nothing to deserve fairness on this point), at least where I live, the failure to integrate immigrants has been due mostly to decades’ worth of successive governments, not to mention society in general, living an active fantasy that the vast brigades of “guest-workers” shipped in to do the jobs Germans wouldn’t do weren’t going to put down any roots — so no need to teach their children language skills or civics, encourage them along the path to citizenship (or, until only a few years ago, even make available a path to citizenship), or, y’know, integrate at all really.

The Swiss are happy enough to take in guest-workers to do the jobs that Swiss people won’t do, but beyond that they don’t much like immigrants from the next Alpine valley over, let along from Kosovo or Turkey. So I’m sure that, yeah, unlike in Germany, integration of the immigrant populace will have been a major priority for them, and it’s the fault of the immigrants themselves that they have not yet adopted those cardinal Swiss virtues of cow-bell ringing, Fahnen schwinging and smug complacent selfishness.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

The fact of the horn is, we’re on the matters of a dilemma with the Switzish.

 
address my envelope, Lips!
 

I’m still amazed at how people can be that racist and not dissolve instantly into a pile of pulsating goo.

…or be electrocuted by their computer, which is way more egalitarian than they are (having parts made all over the world tends to promote multiculturalism).

Pulsating goo. I just like typing it. Goo.

 
 

Y’know, you read the shorter, and you think “There’s no way this can possibly be right,”

Always. Trust. The. Shorter.™

Ah!

ALWAYS. Trust. The. Shorter.™

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

I guess the only thing keeping Bonita Applebaum and Russ Douchehat from outright celebrating the ban is the fact that those socialest Eurpeans did it.

 
English as a Second Language
 

Alternate Shorter:

When the minerets that aren’t here are gone, the radical islamofacist terrorist bombers that they all are also will also go away. And I am not a racist. If they would just assimilate and be more white everything would be fine.

 
 

They’re approaching this all wrong.

Can you imagine how cool it would be to have a minaret which unfolded into an assortment of hundreds of tools, yet all made out of chocolate?

 
 

The real problem with a proliferation of minarets is all the sticky silk which is left behind.

 
 

beyond that they don’t much like immigrants from the next Alpine valley over – Mrs. Tilton

The alpine branch of my family spread itself all over Bavaria as well as the Austro-Hungarian empire because they didn’t even much like each other … forget about immigrants from the next Alpine valley over.

 
Coach Urban Meyer
 

Hey, loony libs, get a load of this SPREAD: Super Sarah, the Power Palin, is only one point back of the Obumbler in the latest poll! When you account for the leftist spin from the pollsters, though, well, WATCH OUT! Badoodle-boo-yeah!

 
 

Fuck, for a minute I thought I was reading Annie Jacobsen there.

 
 

An interesting question: has there ever been anyone on the left who has prompted a similarly crazed reaction from conservatives? The closest I can think of–not very close, actually–is Ted Kennedy

Pffft.

Hehehe.

Hahahahaha. HAHAHA! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH!

Sweet Christ on a pogo stick, just how dumb are these people? I guess the last year of Obama being called an Islamofascisocialist never actually happened. And it was all liberal lies and conservatives really actually like Obama and holy fuck if I keep typing I think my head will explode.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

I remember seeing Gore Vidal on a talk show in pre-election 1980 — was it with Carson? Vidal said, approximately, “I don’t think this country’s under such a dark cloud that he could actually be elected.”

Meaning Ronnie R, of course. The weather can always get far worse than we imagine.

 
 

SPREAD: Super Sarah

I’d heard that about her, but I refuse to believe it until I’ve gotten her naked under me, slave to the Actorcock.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

We could see Siberia from where I first lived as a small child. No, really! my parents have the slides to prove it.

Gambell, AK, on St. Lawrence Island.

 
 

I refuse to believe it until I’ve gotten her naked under me, slave to the Actorcock.

Palin-Actor-Gor slash. Woo-fucking-hoo.

 
 

Palin-Actor-Gor slash. Woo-fucking-hoo.

Mooseburgers of Gor

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

‘Course, that was way back in the days when Khrushchev was rearing his head, and even from Gambell we could barely see the top of his fur hat.

 
 

I guess the last year of Obama being called an Islamofascisocialist never actually happened.

Well, yeah, and both Clintons, Al Gore, Barney Frank, Jimmy Carter …

 
Super Sarah, the Power Palin!
 

Sorry, hippies, but the only man I spread for is Tubular Todd, the other Power Palin. Also.

 
 

I guess the last year of Obama being called an Islamofascisocialist never actually happened. And it was all liberal lies and conservatives really actually like Obama and holy fuck if I keep typing I think my head will explode.

[Wingnut]Yeah, but that’s totally different, since Obama really is a Kenyan Islamofascisocialist[/Wingnut]

Remember kids! It’s only libel if it’s false!

And it’s not a lie if you believe it.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

Sheesh, I had a far more crazed loathing for Ronnie and Georgie than for Palin. After all, they were much more dangerous– we hope.

 
 

“The only man / spread”

Is that like a husband and a dessert topping? Or pâté?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I had that same diorama when I was in middle school.

Not Swiss, there’s a paucity of polearms.

This is This is central to my point.

 
 

>Ding dong dilly, here comes the tide of terriffic, loony libs! Urban out.

Hey, has Tim Tebow stopped crying yet? I bet Danny Wuerffel’s somewhere laughing his ass off.

 
 

Donald Sutherland, hell.

Why is Huntz Hall thinking about Buckwheat?

 
 

I had that same diorama when I was in middle school.
Not Swiss, there’s a paucity of polearms.

Fucking libs and your fucking facts….

 
 

Snow glides from the mountain
Ice fathers floods for a season
A hard rain comes quickly

Stop ripping me off, motherfucker!

 
 

Read it for yourself if you harbor any doubts.

No. Fucking. Way. And DAMN YOU TO HELL, “Brad” – if that’s even your real name – for trying to inflict that on me. That’s just mean, that is.

 
 

B^4 –

See you tonight. Look for a big guy in a striped yellow short accompanied by a bemused, petite woman with curly hair.

 
 

Shirt. My shorts are none of your business.

 
 

“Jews who get wet/hard about Yurpeans being anti-Muslim really confuse me. ”

As much as I love and respect Jews (who ironically have proven themselves the Master Race, in terms of always coming out ahead after history takes a giant dump on them. Also, big thumbs-up on bagels!), that is the thing that really pisses me off… “Never Again” really just means “Never Again /To Us/”. Just once I’d like to see them take the lead on preventing genocide/racism for someone else… though to be fair, having Jewish support anywhere in the world probably doesn’t help your cause much.

I am proud to say I DID trust the shorter!

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

See you tonight. Look for a big guy in a striped yellow short accompanied by a bemused, petite woman with curly hair.

Groovy! Just look for a big, bad, bald bastard. Looking forward to meeting you!

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

“Never Again” really just means “Never Again /To Us/”. Just once I’d like to see them take the lead on preventing genocide/racism for someone else…

The vast majority of Jews are extremely vocal and active about human rights for everyone… do the names Schwerner and Goodman mean anything to you?

 
 

do the names Schwerner and Goodman mean anything to you?

Didn’t they produce all those game shows like To Tell The Truth?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Didn’t they produce all those game shows like To Tell The Truth?

You’re thinking of Leiber and Stoller.

 
 

You’re thinking of Leiber and Stoller

No man! THEY owned a bakery in SoHo!

 
 

The vast majority of Jews are extremely vocal and active about human rights for everyone

This issue is badly clouded by the issue of Palestine. I’ve heard some American Jews support human rights for everyone except Palestinians; I’ve heard some Israelis damn near promote genocide. Those “somes” are meant to mean a small percentage – most do not. My guess is that the percentage of Jews who are bigots and assholes is about the same as it is for any other group but our perception is skewed by the thought that it should be lower because they should know better. Certainly my perception is skewed by that thought.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

No man! THEY owned a bakery in SoHo!

I thought that was Gog and Magog.

Well, gotta get my ass in gear- getting my drink and my geek on tonight in Gowanus, and the subway ride from Woodlawn is time-consuming. Think about stopping by, Actor, N__B is supposed to meet me at the venue.

 
 

The problem with Palestine is, well, the whole “Chosen Ones” thing. There’s a difficult dichotomy to get past there: belief in the “live and let live” philosophy which their God teaches them versus the whole “this land is your land” philosophy which the same god teaches.

 
 

B^4

I did not get the invite until, well, you mentioned it. I would have cleared my schedule, but I’ve got a Strawmen of Gor reenactment tonight.

Next time. Thanks!

 
 

I thought that was Gog and Magog.

Shell station on Grand Concourse.

 
 

There’s a difficult dichotomy to get past there

There’s an easy solution: don’t base real estate or foreign policy on events 1900+ years old.

 
 

There’s an easy solution

Assuming God doesn’t exist. That’s not an easy sell.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

This issue is badly clouded by the issue of Palestine. I’ve heard some American Jews support human rights for everyone except Palestinians; I’ve heard some Israelis damn near promote genocide.

Would it be fair to assume that a lot of these are ultra-Orthodox types (the kind who’d throw stones at drivers on Saturday and bitch about bike lanes in Williamsburg)? Unfortunately, a lot of the settlement controversy is due to these Baruch Goldstein type American ex-pats.

See ya in Gowanus!

 
 

Assuming God doesn’t exist. That’s not an easy sell.

While that’s my view, it’s not a requirement for my solution. God says a lot of things in the bible that people no longer feel compelled to take seriously. Even fundamentalists (Jewish, Christian, whatever) pick which parts of the bible they follow exactly. So don’t follow the part about real estate exactly as a concession to the world having changed.

 
 

Here’s how Ms Applebaum thinks. “I found myself walking…” Say what? Was she walking in her sleep wearing a Maidenform bra? Does WaPo have any editors?

 
 

Would it be fair to assume that a lot of these are ultra-Orthodox types

Some. Some are indistinguishable from the stereotype of the Upper West Side liberal until you get them on this one topic. A few of those are related to me.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Next time. Thanks!

Next week, James Hansen!

Now, gotta go…

 
 

She’s more subtle, genteel and craps herself less than Ross Douthat in his column on the same subject, but she pretty much arrives at the same place.

 
 

Merry Swiss my ass

 
 

Would it be fair to assume that a lot of these are ultra-Orthodox types

No. I have plenty of secular-ish Jewish friends who stridently believe in the existence of Israel, some who have even turned their backs on Judaism as a faith.

however, I say that as someone who has had to duck rocks on Bedford Avenue.

 
 

ultra-Orthodox types (the kind who’d . . . bitch about bike lanes in Williamsburg)?

Does this have something to do with sidewalks? I used to live in a heavily Orthodox neighborhood and they never used the sidewalk. I never knew why. I figured it had something to do with their practices, but it also could’ve been incidental since they were really only walking around after dark on Friday and the sidewalks were in bad shape.

It’s fucking awesome driving home through a neighborhood with no streetlights and a bunch of black-clad people in the middle of the road, by the way.

 
 

Cue mouth-flapping about doughty Aryans stanching the international menace by boycotting the Semite provocateurs lurking in their midst; never trust a fox in a meadow or an Arab at his word; et caetera.

 
 

Does this have something to do with sidewalks?

Parking, more to the point. The bike lane takes up the curb lane.

 
 

Jon Anderson said … Stop ripping me off, motherfucker!

Not familiar with Anderson so I can’t judge, but echoing another’s work, usually inadvertent but not always, is also common in early efforts. Whatever one’s opinion on the poem itself, though, I think we can all agree that Johnson is a clod.

 
 

Unfortunately, a lot of the settlement controversy is due to these Baruch Goldstein type American ex-pats.

I’ve long held that the divide in Israeli politics, as in American politics, is less between right and left than between fantasists and realists (although the fantasists usually frame their insane fabrications as “realism”, hard-nosed and uncompromising at that). Settlements are a threat to Israel’s security even if you take the ultra-reactionary line that Israel’s only human obligations are to its own citizens — but they’re an intrinsic part of the Americo-Israeli Dream, which is that you can recreate Phoenix in Judea and Samaria whenever you want and God help anyone who should try and stop you. This is equally valid in potentia, so you wind up with people like Krauthammer who make grand proclamations about what Israel must or must not do without having to face any consequences for same.

Reality-based lefties and righties in Israel both have to deal with the consequences of Israel’s foreign policy and human rights violations. Fantasists don’t; give them Gopherwood Pines or give everyone else death.

 
 

I imagine some Sadly No types might be interested in this sort of thing, given Breitblart’s heroic attacks on the ACORN beast destroying all of Democracy:

The [ACORN / pimp] videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O’Keefe’s and Ms. Giles’s comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.

Original voice recordings in ACORN offices is theft!

 
 

Oops, link. I blame ACORN.

 
 

Speaking of ACORNGateGate, let’s not forget what Doug Giles told us about ever wanting to date his daughter:

Thou shall understand that if you’re dumb enough to tell me a dirty joke, I’m comfortable enough with kicking your butt. I’m not one of your thug buddies you can go down the gutter with. I want maturity when you are around my family.

Hehindeedy!

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

 
 

This is the Troll 2 of conservative blogs: http://texasrainmaker.com/

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

After a heavy rainstorm, if you float.

 
 

In “you’re fucking shitting me” news:

In a massive security breach, the Transportation Security Agency (TSA) inadvertently posted online its entire airport screening procedures manual, including some of the most closely guarded secrets regarding special rules for diplomats and CIA and law enforcement officers.

The most sensitive parts of the 93-page Standard Operation Procedures were apparently redacted in a way that computer savvy individuals easily overcame.

The document shows sample CIA, Congressional and law enforcement credentials which experts say would make it easy for terrorists to duplicate.

The improperly redacted areas indicate that only 20 percent of checked bags are to be hand searched for explosives and reveal in detail the limitations of x-ray screening machines.

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

Pastor Swank could tell you, but you still wouldn’t know the answer.

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

I believe it involves large amounts of body lotion and a bowling alley. Read about it in this month’s issue of Conservative Kink magazine.

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

Apparently it includes foot/ass play. With these guys, there may be down-throat ramming, also. There will definitely be whining.

 
 

The fact of the horn is, we’re on the matters of a dilemma with the Switzish.

If you fuck with the dilemma, you feel the horns!

 
 

If you fuck with the dilemma, you feel the horns!

Issat there sum noo kina cow?

 
 

If you fuck with the dilemma, you feel the horns!

I should hope so. If you can’t feel up the horns, what kind of a dilemma fucking is it?

 
 

Beware the fearsome dodecalemma.

 
 

Dodecalemma curry?

 
 

Does this have something to do with sidewalks? I used to live in a heavily Orthodox neighborhood and they never used the sidewalk.

It has to do with scantily-clad hipster girls riding through their neighborhood on their fixies, mostly.

Some Orthodox have taken to renting buses just to park them in the bus lanes, to try to keep people from using them.

 
 

It has to do with scantily-clad hipster girls riding through their neighborhood on their fixies, mostly.

Look, I have a fine ass, but I’m not a girl and I’ve still been harassed on Bedford!

 
 

How do you “go down the gutter with” somebody?

As I recall, Men of Mathematics claimed that was exactly Gauss’s little dilemma.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

It has to do with scantily-clad hipster girls riding through their neighborhood on their fixies, mostly.

I fucking hate that shit. Though I do have to admit that fixies give you nice gams.

 
 

Williamsburg bike lanes

I should point out that the “replacement” lane on Kent is practically worthless now that three new apartment towers have opened on the street, more than tripling the cross-traffic on the street.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Look, I have a fine ass, but I’m not a girl and I’ve still been harassed on Bedford!

Were you riding a fixie?

 
 

“The vast majority of Jews are extremely vocal and active about human rights for everyone… do the names Schwerner and Goodman mean anything to you?”

Of course! There are many powerful Jewish voices for peace and tolerance. but collectively, I just don’t see Jewish organizations coming out to protect lives in Dafur or Rwanda or to stand up to Lou Dobbs (just replace “Mexican” with “Jew”…) or anything like that. If I am wrong, please tell me, because I’d love to be wrong on this! I’d love to see something like a “Jews against Genocide” organization with a strong voice in the world, working the halls of power to stop mass murder against anyone.

But yeah, Palestine would of course always be held against them unless they also stood up for Palestinians, and that would really hurt the membership 🙁

 
 

Were you riding a fixie?

Nope, strictly road. 24 speed. Fixies are fine for bike messengers and folks that only ride flats.

 
 

Fixies are fine for bike messengers and folks that only ride flats.

In NYC, they also attract those with a death wish.

 
 

Riding a bike in certain areas of NYC is a death wish, N__B.

 
 

I just don’t see Jewish organizations coming out to protect lives in Dafur – Mysticdog

Actually, Israel has been accepting (Muslim) refugees from Darfur for quite some time. In fact paranoid, anti-Zionist types blame Israel for the problem in the first place (the conspiracy is that Israel’s arming the Darfuri population — I guess if Israel is involved, defending yourself against genocide is suddenly evil?)

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

In NYC, they also attract those with a death wish.

Here, they just attract douchebags. Then again, I am spastic weakling, so maybe I’m just jealous.

 
 

Here, they just attract douchebags.

You don’t have our levels of traffic, quantity of unrepaired potholes, or NJ Cracker-Jack-box-license drivers.

 
 

quantity of unrepaired potholes

I’ve observed that the bike lanes, particularly in the outer boroughs, tend to be pothole magnets.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

You don’t have our levels of traffic, quantity of unrepaired potholes, or NJ Cracker-Jack-box-license drivers.

Oh, I know. We do have angry rednecks and frat boy assholes who like to act like dicks in general and occasionally ride bikers’ asses, throw things at them, and run them off the road. And fat dumbshits in SUVs who don’t know how to act around bikes. Still, you couldn’t pay me to ride my bike in some parts of NYC and I’m pretty sure that people who do are clinically insane.

 
 

I’m pretty sure that people who do are clinically insane.

The court promised those records were sealed!

 
 

Fixies are generally for the stupid or fiscally inept. For example, a good entry-level hybrid (comfortable, not too heavy, upright position for riding in traffic) is going to run you about $600-$700. This gives you the advantage of having gears and fair-to -middling braking , which allows you to modulate speeds quickly and maintain control of the bicycle in split-second situations On the other hand, a fixie, which has much less control- both speed-wise and in breaking- is going to run you between $600-$900, unless you are building it yourself, and the f**king things don’t even look that cool.

Fred city, baby.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Former Missouri Speaker of the House charged with felony assault and being a gigantic fucking creep.

He should be charged with rape, but honestly, I’m surprised he was even charged with assault.

 
 

It has to do with scantily-clad hipster girls riding through their neighborhood on their fixies, mostly.

Interest, newsletter.

 
 

Tomm,

Clearly you’ve never seen a NYC bike messenger on duty.

Fixies are generally for the stupid

Or maybe you have…the messenger business is highly competitive in NYC and fixies have many advantages over free wheels, like lower maintenance, less likely to slip a gear (and chain) and no coasting. Each second counts when your client is waiting for a package at point B.

Yes. They are that insane

 
 

Still, you couldn’t pay me to ride my bike in some parts of NYC and I’m pretty sure that people who do are clinically insane.

You should try riding in LA. Case in point.

 
 

T&U,

Former Missouri Speaker of the House charged with felony assault and being a gigantic fucking creep

Ooh… what, d’ye suppose, are the odds the man is a Republican? Or are there no bookies sucker enough to offer those odds?

 
 

Actor-

I didn’t cycle when I lived in NYC…so I never really noticed them. The guys that ride fixies in LA are all such poseurs they might as well be wearing Ed Hardy helmets.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

fixies have many advantages over free wheels,

They’re also lighter. And you can ride backwards! But you can’t tell me that it’s not about looking cool and machismo (in a biker sense, anyway), especially when I see bike nerds here riding them.

 
 

You should try riding in LA. Case in point.

Nasty. And it’s a doctor, too. I think I read about that case in Bicycling

The worst incident I ever had was when i was a kid, trying to negotiate between the curb and this asshole who kept drifting to the left. He stopped his car, opened his door, almost dooring me, so I stuck my foot out to balance myself and accidentally kicked him.

Well, almost accidentally. He got back in his car, caught up with me and tossed a box of screws at me. Nailed me in the rib cage, and sent me on a header over the handlebar. Fucker then tore off, and I never saw him again.

 
 

If only I knew as a kid that my bike was really just much more future hip than the other neighborhood kids whose parents bought them the elusive, exotic “10 speed” bicycles. We all thought our 1-speed bikes with coaster brakes were, you know, normal.

 
 

Feh, lighter. They do that by stripping components, like brakes. That’s not a feature, it’s a bug.

As you can tell, I do not think much of the Los Angeles fixed-gear rider.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Ooh… what, d’ye suppose, are the odds the man is a Republican?

Oh, he is, he is! He’s from down south near the panhandle, so that pretty much goes without saying.

 
 

T&U,

really, I should have known that from your “felony assault”, “gigantic fucking creep” and “should be charged with rape”.

 
 

Liberals sure are dumb. You will be easy to round up and put in camps when we take back the White House. We should have done that years ago, but we won’t make that mistake next time. If you do not support America, camps for you.

 
 

Ms Applebaum seems like such a pleasant person.

 
 

I LOVE camp.

I liked it, but the counselors freaked me out.

 
The Kid from Kounty Meath
 

Hail to thee, Kamp Krusty,
By the shores of Big Snake Lake;
Though your swings are rusty,
We know they’ll never break.
(Louder! Faster!)
From your gleaming mess hall,
To your hallowed baseball field,
To your spick and span infirmary,
Where all our wounds are healed.
Hail to thee, Kamp Krusty,
Below Mount Avalanche…
We will always love Kamp Krusty,
A registered trademark of the Krusty corporation,
All rights reserved!

 
 

You liberals had better put us into your socialist FEMA camps while you have the chance, because when we take control you’re going straight into our America freedom camps.

 
The Kid from Kounty Meath
 

Wouldn’t a “freedom camp” be not being put into a camp? I think I can live with that.

 
 

In a Freedom Camp, they execute people through old age.

 
The Kid from Kounty Meath
 

My God… they’ve taken Florida!

 
 

We’ve lost America’s Wang™!

 
 

We’ve lost America’s Wang™!

Just the tip.

 
 

In “Wild In the Streets,” everyone over 30 is given horse-doctor’s doses of LSD. I don’t consider myself a single-issue voter, but I just might support Max Frost in 2012.

 
The Kid from Kounty Meath
 

Fun fact: the Dakotas are America’s balls; they’ve just receded from the cold.

 
 

And Anne Applebaum looks like Balok.

 
 

the Dakotas are America’s balls

Based on census data, the US has a low sperm count.

 
 

There’s more to life than a little sperm. Doncha know that?

 
 

Xecky Gilchrist said,

December 8, 2009 at 23:20

It has to do with scantily-clad hipster girls riding through their neighborhood on their fixies, mostly.

Interest, newsletter.

YWIMC

 
 

I LOVE camp.

So do I, Blanche, so do I.

 
 

The guys that ride fixies in LA anywhere but a fucking velodrome are all such poseurs they might as well be wearing Ed Hardy helmets

Fixed it for you. Pun intended.

 
 

Thanks a lot, buddy. I am now stupider for having read that article. Btw, I hope WaPo wasn’t paying for her trés cher Swiss excursion out of its hopelessly tightened budget, was it? But if so, where can I get me some of that cheese? (I want a Danube cruise.)

 
 

Hey Urban Meyer–how about a nice steaming cup of STFU and take your losses like a man, loser?

‘Bama whooped you, fair and square. Sit down and shut up about your butthurt.

 
 

Fixies, eh? The polizei here in “bike heaven” Portland have been giving shit to the fixie riders because they don’t have brakes. The über-hip fixie riders (they are legion in these parts) say they do have brakes – biomechanical brakes.

This is about as controversial as anything gets round here. Gotta love PDX.

 
 

You liberals had better put us into your socialist FEMA camps while you have the chance, because when we take control you’re going straight into our America freedom camps.

America freedom camps, where work make us free!

However the socialist FEMA camps do provide healthcare.

Decisions, decisions…

 
 

And Anne Applebaum looks like Balok.

I thought that that worked best for Mara Liasson.

 
 

The shorter shorter Applebaum: “Being married to a Polish wingnut, I know just what the Swiss were thinking.”

 
 

Fixies are fine for bike messengers and folks that only ride flats.
Assuming you mean fixed gear bikes – I beg to differ
The team also did the Race Across America on fixed gear bikes in 2008

 
 

Conservatives are in favor of building more prisons and putting more people in them, but all prisoners get free state-provided public health care. Hmmm.

 
 

America freedom camps, where work make us free!

However the socialist FEMA camps do provide healthcare.

Decisions, decisions…

Which has bonfires and ghost stories? Also: no hobo dinners, unless they mean dining on hobos. Wienie roasts are OK either way.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

The über-hip fixie riders (they are legion in these parts) say they do have brakes – biomechanical brakes.

We’re talking about moving up there next year, and my husband has already begun work on converting his beater bike into a fixie, so he’ll fit right in. However, I have insisted that he has brakes on that fucking thing. We’re too old for that kind of shit.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Wienie roasts are OK either way.

They only have tofu dogs in Socialist FEMA Camps, so ew. I’ll pass.

 
 

Fixies, eh? The polizei here in “bike heaven” Portland have been giving shit to the fixie riders because they don’t have brakes. The über-hip fixie riders (they are legion in these parts) say they do have brakes – biomechanical brakes.

This is about as controversial as anything gets round here. Gotta love PDX.

Down here in Corvallis they’re everywhere too, and don’t seem to be controversial yet. I just don’t understand these people. I love bikes, (I’m an avid mountain biker) but I just do not understand the fixie thing. I can almost understand liking the simplicity of a normal singlespeed but a fixie? WTF? Then again I’m a geek, and I think technology that improves our lives is generally a good thing. Especially nice, simple technology that’s been around forever and just pretty much works all the time and hardly even requires maintenance.

And even in this ultra-liberal college-town bastion of hippy-tree-hugging goodness, where there are bike lanes on 90% of the streets, I still won’t ride on the street anymore. While I could get killed by running into a tree, it’s pretty unlikely it will jump in front of me while talking on its cell phone.

 
 

They only have tofu dogs in Socialist FEMA Camps, so ew. I’ll pass.

After the Revolution, all citizens will have tofu dogs!

After the Revolution, all citizens will like tofu dogs!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

but I just do not understand the fixie thing

I really do think it’s just a hipster dick-measuring contest. I say this as a devoted wife and a near-hipster.

I will say that I do appreciate the simplicity of a fixie, and I think that they can look really good, but fuck, man, it’s just a bike.

 
 

They are just barely bicycles, IMHO. They share most of their DNA with the common tricycle. If they were any lower tech they’d be Big Wheels.

Not that I am a bike snob or anything.

 
 

They only have tofu dogs in Socialist FEMA Camps, so ew. I’ll pass.

Everything tastes better pulled burning from a bonfire, especially when you have herbally-inspired munchies.

 
 

And even in this ultra-liberal college-town bastion of hippy-tree-hugging goodness, where there are bike lanes on 90% of the streets, I still won’t ride on the street anymore.

So where do you ride?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

especially when you have herbally-inspired munchies.

They have weed in Socialist FEMA Camps? Never mind, then. Sign me up, tofu dogs and all!

 
 

The things you learn on this board. I never even heard of fixies. After looking them up, I must say they sound perfectly stupid, if not dangerous. But then I haven’t owned a bike of any kind in 20+ years.

 
 

If you do not support America, camps for you.

Dibs on the top bunk!

 
 

The team also did the Race Across America on fixed gear bikes in 2008

It’s called “thinning the herd”.

 
 

Not that I am a bike snob or anything.

THIS is a bike snob.

 
 

(I’m an avid mountain biker) but I just do not understand the fixie thing.

Back in central PA there was a guy, co-owner of my fave bike shop, who road a fixie in the Wilderness 101. Fucker finished top 10. Absolutely awesome.

*This was some years ago. Also, it took me two days on my MTB.

 
 

They only have tofu dogs in Socialist FEMA Camps, so ew. I’ll pass.

Bring cartons of American Spirit ciggies. I can hook you up and you can barter.

 
 

There are plenty of messengers who ride fixies in hilly Seattle. There are even more dopes (why are they always men?) who are not messengers and ride a fixie on the street. Some people die doing it.

Bikes are at enough of a disadvantage on the road without crippling yourself.

</soapbox>

 
 

What? No brakes? Damn, what a bunch of poseur dangerous hipsterish shit.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Bring cartons of American Spirit ciggies. I can hook you up and you can barter.

Okay, but I’d better get a shitload of hot dogs. A carton of American Spirits is, like, forty bucks.

 
 

At Socialist FEMA camp you get arts & crafts and drugs & sex, but NO MEAT. Unless we’re talking about sex again.

 
You Can't Put Lipstick On A Repig
 

When I still lived in New York, my Central Park riding buddy rode only his Pinarello fixed ($2800) to negotiate the hills & dales.

BTW & AFAIK, the cognescenti call them “fixed”, not “fixies”. It’s been years, tho’, so maybe that has changed.

 
 

I got your back, T&U. I have an off-brand called “American Spit”. Never tell ’em apart.

 
 

What? No brakes? Damn, what a bunch of poseur dangerous hipsterish shit.

And TWO wheels! Can you believe it? Where’s the sport in that???

 
 

A true fixie would be a metal sphere about 2 feet in diameter, and nothing else. No fancy “unicycle” with pedals and stuff. Just you, standing on a ball. That would truly be hip.

 
 

No fancy “unicycle” with pedals and stuff. Just you, standing on a ball.

You’d need an appropriate outfit. Maybe tights, yea, with a leotard.

 
 

And even in this ultra-liberal college-town bastion of hippy-tree-hugging goodness, where there are bike lanes on 90% of the streets, I still won’t ride on the street anymore.

So where do you ride?

On the outskirts of Corvallis we have a bazillion miles of beautifully-maintained hiking and mountain-bike trails. I spend about half my excercise time trail running and the other half on the mountain bike. I can be at the trail heads in just a few minutes, it’s a damn good place to live if you like the outdoors…

 
 

…and OBTW, fuck you, NYBikeSnob (not that he hangs out here).

I like my recumbent.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I got your back, T&U. I have an off-brand called “American Spit”. Never tell ‘em apart.

Sweet. I never understood the point of organic cigarettes, anyway. Plus, back in my smoking days, I thought they tasted like shit.

 
 

A true fixie would be a metal sphere about 2 feet in diameter, and nothing else. No fancy “unicycle” with pedals and stuff. Just you, standing on a ball. That would truly be hip.

No, it would be hop. Only, you know, made of aluminum or something.

Then again… you put a casing on top of the sphere, let it roll like a big-ass ball bearing, you could have a viable vehicle. Hang on, I need to draw up some schematics.

 
 

Wait, wait, now that everyone and his dead dingo has a 15-speed, minimalist bikes are trendy? Is this going to be like the alternating preferences among the cognoscenti between fat tyres and thin tyres? How long until my rusty old 3-speed with the hub brakes returns to the cutting edge of fashion?

Everything tastes better pulled burning from a bonfire

Apparently it’s not enough to be clumsy and frequently intoxicated; now I have to escape from tigrismus once I’m rescued from the fireplace.

 
 

A true fixie would be a metal sphere about 2 feet in diameter, and nothing else.

And a large visible price-tag.

 
 

What does that Lance Armstrong guy know anyway? With all them gears and brakes and stuff on his bike.

 
 

Fred Flintstone drove a fixie car. Just sayin’ to all you trendoids out there.

 
 

Then again… you put a casing on top of the sphere, let it roll like a big-ass ball bearing, you could have a viable vehicle. Hang on, I need to draw up some schematics.

I believe you will find that the Crypt slavers drove vehicles of that form in the Dan Dare “Rogue Planet” storyline. Or so I am told.

 
 

Then again… you put a casing on top of the sphere, let it roll like a big-ass ball bearing, you could have a viable vehicle. Hang on, I need to draw up some schematics.

Or you could hollow it out and use it like a hamster-ball.

 
 

U-S-A1, etc.:

I just wanna know if there is serious rushing going on in the seven mins. ’til death. ‘Cause, y’know, if there is …

 
 

Hang on, I need to draw up some schematics.

Where are you going to put the fleshlight?

 
 

Where are you going to put the fleshlight?

On the bumper?

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

I just had to come back to gloat.

The Senate has dropped the public option. It’ official, the Trojan Horse has been kept outside the gate, and conservatives, standing tall and erect, blocked Socialism. Suck it, libs!

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

Hannity is talking about it now…oh, it’s soooooooooo sweet!

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

I departed for real-life duties several hours ago, only to return and see that Ayyne “Going Gaunt” Appletree is still our top story tonight? Gah.

 
 

Suck it, libs!

Come out of the closet, Troofie!

 
 

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/senators-reach-tentative-public-option-deal–withhold-details-as-they-await-cbo-score.php?ref=fpblg

Tonight, though, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid suggested that might not be the case. “All the things you’ve read in the newspapers…’the public option is gone,’–it’s not true,” Reid said at an impromptu press conference after tonight’s meeting broke.

 
 

I have to say that riding fixie in Seattle for several years put me in the best shape I’ve ever been in, better than my fancy-pants gearish bike. But I’m a big pussy, I had brakes on mine.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

And insufferable fixed-gearheads as well? AUGH

My bike looks like Pee-Wee Herman’s, except with three shift levers.

 
 

My bike looks like Pee-Wee Herman’s

+10 cool points.

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

I know what would really piss you libs off. Is if I insisted to be referred to as “Troofie”, much like black embraced “nigger”. So call me Troofy, libs.
I’ll take it as a badge of honor.

And Reid is a little pussy, and he’s getting fucked by they right wing, badly.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

…Oh, and I forgot to mention the piezoelectric power brakes.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

Sorry for my wide-eyed innocence, but I’ve finally realized that here really are paid provocateurs whose mission is to be as obtusely obnoxious and disruptive as possible in order to fragment and demoralize intelligent (that is, vastly left-of center) online communities.

 
 

I’ll take it as a badge of honor.

How about “Closet Case?”

 
 

There really are paid provocateurs whose mission is to be as obtusely obnoxious and disruptive as possible

You mean I could get paid for this?!

 
Health Care is Dead!
 

I told you libs that no health care bill would pass the Senate, by which I clearly meant that no health care bill with a public option would pass the Senate! Unless it turns out that it does in which case I meant something else as long as it means I was right all along! Bookmark it, libs!

 
 

You mean I could get paid for this?!

Seriously. I’d be fucking shit up right and left. Or right on left. Whatever.

I had a relative who was paid to spam for a while. Wore a suit to the office and typed away. Now he paints houses.

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

I clearly said, back in the summer, that no health care bill with a public option would pass, and that any health care bill that DID pass would be net boon to the big health care corporations, and that they’d make big profits from the bill. Big ass, obscene,outrageous profits!

 
 

You mean I could get paid for this?!

I’m already working on my Troll-o-Matic 5000 software. It’s just a random number generator hooked up to a database of right-wing talking points.

 
Clarence "I'm not talking" Thomas
 

Hey! There’s a pubic option in my bill!

Also FYWP.

 
 

I can’t even get a simple death threat from anything I type.

 
 

I can’t even get a simple death threat from anything I type.

Jeezis, do some trolling. I had an actual real-live officer in the army offering to fuck me up over at Pam’s place once.

 
 

I’m already working on my Troll-o-Matic 5000 software. It’s just a random number generator hooked up to a database of right-wing talking points.

I think Mr. Janus P. Node has a call waiting. Ooh ooh and include a recipe with every troll as a lagniappe!

 
 

I’m already working on my Troll-o-Matic 5000 software.

I own one of those.

 
 

I think Mr. Janus P. Node has a call waiting.

ALL RIGHT ALREADY.

 
 

I can’t even get a simple death threat from anything I type.

Something could perhaps be arranged…

 
 

ALL RIGHT ALREADY.

Neener.

 
 

You mean I could get paid for this?!

You mean you’re an amateur?!!

 
 

Bookmark it, libs! This is how I will go down…

 
 

El Cid is on a rolling sphere.

 
 

I should stop trolling where they moderate, I suppose.

But really, I’d rather support the left-o-spheric echo chamber, because I’m so positive & upbeat & giving. And would just as soon interact w/ humanoids. Yes, I’m an elitist.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

I’m thinking about just switching to the right. Less strenuous that way.

 
 

Certainly less strain on the brain, or just in the membrane.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

Anybody have a list of sites at which it’s still possible to do lefty trolling? I wouldn’t know, lacking the digestive vigilance to monitor political pathology.

 
 

Pajamas Media is pretty good.

Big Hollywood is good for a while because they have the funniest idiots, but eventually you’ll have to change IPs and cookies and such.

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

Shut up, libs! This is the end of your socialist plot to let the big health care corporations make big profits! Republicans stood firm and erect against your big ass, obscene, outrageous…

i came on cat she hiss at penis

 
 

I find this dicussion of HCR to be depressing.

So;
Is this photo real or fotoshopped? I can’t tell.
http://michellemalkinundressed.blogspot.com/?zx=b7d60d456ebe676d

 
 

Cornfed Yankee has never banned me and I have been banned by many.

 
 

a recipe with every troll as a lagniappe!

A recipe for lagniappe?
Something tells me that it will involve cilantro.

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

No public option. It is FUCKING DEAD!

How does that make you feel,libs?

 
 

And would just as soon interact w/ humanoids.

We’re actually all just Portia sp. spiders, grooming you.

 
 

Tens of thousands of Americans will die without health insurance. There are six unemployed people for every job opening, right now.

You want to celebrate?

I don’t.

I just hope that what does pass is in some way beneficial, and we get rid of some blue dogs in the next election.

 
 

It’s called “thinning the herd”.
Actually it was to raise money for diabetes research – one of the riders has type 1 diabetes.
They won the two man team category of Race Across America on regular bikes

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

Ooh, looking forward to my first banning! That’s when you’ve truly arrived in the rocky intertidal zone.

 
 

Just sitting back down at the computer after my FTF interaction with B^4. He’s cuddlier than you’d think.

Meanwhile, no love for velocipedes? They’re the future of transportation, assuming it’s 1825.

 
 

He’s cuddlier than you’d think.

Tell me more! Tell me more!

 
 

Like does he have a car?

 
 

Tell me more, tell me more

Like does he have a car?

Don’t know.

He’s balder than me, probably badder than me, but I’m bigger in at least one of three orthogonal dimensions.

 
 

CURSE YOU RED BARON!

 
 

Jeff Conaway got the shit lines.

 
 

Coming soon (Dec. 13) on the History Channel is Howard Zinn’s “Voices of a People’s History of the United States.”
http://www.peopleshistory.us/

Big Hollywood is already in attack mode.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pmeister/2009/12/08/chart-the-howard-zinn-players-those-targeting-your-childs-classroom/

 
 

From CNN:

Two Democratic sources said that the deal includes proposals to replace the public option by creating a not-for-profit private insurance option overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management, much like the current health plan for federal workers, and another allowing people 55 and older to buy into Medicare coverage that currently is available to those 65 and older.

Looking for the actual sentence saying the public option is deaddeaddeaddeaddead. MMmmmmnnnnnnnnnope… sorry, Troofie. Try again next month.

 
 

I guess Howard Zinn is too Politically Incorrect for that crowd and all “freedom” loving wingnuts should want him banned.

 
Public Option Dropped!
 

Bet it must really, really piss you off that the public option is going to be dropped, Aspie badger.

 
 

Washington Post officially hits rock bottom.
Shorter Palin: Climate scientist are all politically motivated poopyheads unlike me.

“Copenhagen’s political science”
By Sarah Palin
Wednesday, December 9, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120803402_pf.html

 
 

Hmmmm… looking at the article… ctrl+F… look for “public option dropped”…

Nada. However, I do see where there are other proposals (I’ll be damned, there’s that word again!) to substitute a non-profit, government-regulated private insurance option. And whaddaya know, it’s even in the quote above. Even if the public option does diediediediedie, that’s a step in the right direction. I’d be cool with that, sweetie.

 
 

The Public Option has been declared dead more times than John Travolta’s career, yet it is still overwhelmingly popular in virtually every poll. I think I’ll hold off on sucking whatever it is you’re offering for right now, thanks.

 
 

Public Option is Zombies!!

 
The Public Option
 

I feel happy! I feel happy! I think I’ll go for a walk!

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

Is that what I think it is? It’s beautiful…

 
 

I’m dead too. And I was a traitor to my country and possibly mentally retarded.

 
 

El Cid, that sort of thing should be public knowledge.

That they can arrest you on procedures and laws you cannot see is just fucking unconstitutional. Know your accuser and all.

 
 

“The team of 10 reaches a deal on the public option”

“But, err, they won’t tell anyone what it is. At least not until they hear back from the Congressional Budget Office. The most telling tidbit so far has come from Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who said, “I’ve got a smile on my face. I don’t smile naturally.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/

 
a concerned citizen
 

conservatives, standing tall and erect

Oh come the fuck on. It’s like you’re not even trying anymore.

 
 

First they came for the arctic goblins, and I did not speak out because I was not an arctic goblin;
Then they came for the air avatars, and I did not speak out because I was not an air avatar;
Then they came for the five-headed hydras, and I did not speak out because I was not a five-headed hydra;
Then they came for the sand giant champions, and I did not speak out because I was not a sand giant champion;
Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 
 

Then they came for me — but I was around the corner buying cigarettes so the stupid cops missed me.

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

I own a ’67 Plymouth Violent and am very, very open to trolling.

 
 

“First they came for the arctic goblins”

Veiled Sarah Palin masturbation reference.

 
 

“First William Kristol came for the arctic goblin”

Fixerated.

 
 

Credit Suisse Group’s Cheery Worm Water
Tonita Proclivity’s Poison’d Entrail Pudding
State Senator Ellis’s Hoop Cheese Cooler
Occupations-Buzzwords’s Monkfish Burrito
Mitsubishi Corporation Plastic Curd Cheeses Matzo
Grupo Santander Harbour Porpoise Patty
Vanita’s Mysterious Hog Sucker Linguine
Johnson & Johnson’s Dutiful Regal Whiptail Catfish Tea
Wachovia Corporation Sprout Compote
Deshawnzoc Luxecgum’s Ganges Shark Syrup
Valero Energy Corporation Contemptuous Roosterfish Hash

 
 

I am liking the corporate names, as all my sustenance (& food) comes from corporate entities.

Still won’t eat/drink anything made by a bank, no matter how “cheery.”

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

McGravitas, you really are substantive. Time for some sleep far deeper than I can fathom.

 
 

You mean you’re an amateur?!!

“Dilettante” sounds so much classier.

 
 

Awright, closing time again, amateurs, dilettantes, whores & pimps, out, all of you!

 
 

M. Bouffant said,

December 9, 2009 at 11:53

Awright, closing time again, amateurs, dilettantes, whores & pimps, out, all of you!

Please sir. I lost my thread in the recent You Tube-wars. I got nowhere to go.

Show some mercy to a poster made threadless by Günther.

 
 

So…too late to add “Shut up, infidel dog!”?

 
 

I trusted the shorter, so I don’t know what she said about Theo van Gogh: but was it along the usual lines where he’s a sainted martyr who was right about everything? For the benefit of the hard-of-thinking, IT WAS STILL WRONG TO KILL HIM: but not only was the man a repellent racist, he felt much the same way about Jews as he did about Muslims. Every rightie who ever brings him up in an argument should be reminded of that.

 
 

Public Option Dropped! said,

December 9, 2009 at 3:54

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, Troofie…you do understand this only means the bill will go back to Conference Committee, where it will be put back in, don’t you?

 
 

How long until my rusty old 3-speed with the hub brakes returns to the cutting edge of fashion?

YOu mean you haven’t heard the latest trend in commuter bikes???

 
 

Ahem, you spared us the full glory of Mr Applebaum’s wit:

Have you heard that Obama may have a Polish connection? His grandfather ate a Polish missionary.

Thanks to the Exiled for the details.

 
 

I’ve read Apple Balm more than enough times in the past. I’ll trust the shorter, thanks.

 
 

Amateurs, dilettantes, whores & pimps
We’d hear it from the people of the town
They’d call us amateurs, dilettantes, whores & pimps
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

 
 

Smut Clyde,

We’re actually all just Portia sp. spiders, grooming you

You actually know about those crazy Portia salticids?!?!?! I think I’m in love.

John Hughes (quoting Radek Sikorski):

Have you heard that Obama may have a Polish connection? His grandfather ate a Polish missionary

Hmm. The Poles are all mackerel-snappers. That means the Polish missionary will have been a priest. Under those circumstances, it’s far likelier the Polish missionary ate Obama’s grandfather. Assuming Obama’s grandfather was a winsome pubescent boy at the time.

 
 

I really do think it’s just a hipster dick-measuring contest. I say this as a devoted wife and a near-hipster.

I will say that I do appreciate the simplicity of a fixie, and I think that they can look really good, but fuck, man, it’s just a bike.

Well, unless you are a real traditionalist:

I still feel that varable gears are only for people over forty-five.
Isn’t it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer?
We are getting soft…As for me, give me a fixed gear!
–Henri Desgrange, L’Équipe article of 1902

I must say I love my ‘fixed gear’ for my commute–with a front brake–I’m not totally insane, but do love the simplicity.

-g

 
 

Well…

“A few weeks ago, I found myself walking through a Swiss village — okay, it was really a Geneva suburb — called Nyon. Still, it looked like a village: There was a castle on the hill, and I could see some Roman ruins. There were a few shops and a nice view of the lake. There was no mosque to be seen. There were no women wearing burqas in the carefully landscaped city park.”

The idyllic natural beauty that is un-Muslimized Europe. Kinda reminds me of a cartoon I saw reproduced in my ninth-grade history book titled “Everything will be alright now because the Jews are leaving.” But I digress, I suppose.

“What is true of Nyon is true of most of Switzerland, a nation in which there are very few mosques — no more than 150 in the whole country, apparently, including tiny “prayer rooms” — virtually no burqas and hardly any headscarves. The vast majority of Switzerland’s 400,000 Muslims are from Turkey and Kosovo, and women from these countries generally do not follow the conservative dress codes commonly seen in places such as Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.”

I was born in Geneva, my parents live there now and I go back pretty often. I can’t speak for all of Switzerland, but while I’ve never seen burquas, I’ve seen dozens of homeless women wearing the hijab, most of them refugees from countries to the east. If Anne was in “a suburb of Geneva” one really must wonder how the fuck she managed to miss all of that.

“This decision has been interpreted across Europe, and particularly in the United States, as evidence of Swiss bigotry and rising religious intolerance.”

Actually, almost all the articles I’ve seen on the subject over here were from people saying “wait now don’t let’s be too hasty and condemn them.” Often followed in the comments section by people screaming their delight and going “Way to show those hajjis who’s boss!”

“No European government has found a way to deal with this phenomenon.”

So far as I know, no European government has ever tried the American approach – “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” translation leave the worshippers the hell alone. And no European people have adopted the post-MLK ethic of judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin or place where they worship.

Naturally, the American right wing wants to prevent the abominations of civil rights and separation of church and state from being inflicted on an unsuspecting Europe.

“There is, therefore, nothing especially Swiss, or especially isolationist, about the recent referendum result. A similar question, put in a similar way, might well have led to a similar result anywhere in Europe.”

True, and that’s exactly the problem. The Swiss decision is symptomatic of a broader problem throughout the Old Continent. We were saying the same thing when the French banned the headscarf, and we’ll keep on saying it as long as these things go on. Among the few people who took time to criticize this, none of them said the problem was unique to Switzerland, quite the opposite.

“In fact, fear of Islamist extremism shapes all European politics far more than anyone ever acknowledges. The growth of the “far right” parties in the recent past is almost always connected to fear of Islamist extremism.”

No, it’s fear of Islam and the more generalized fear of non-white immigrants stealing white jobs, polluting white soil, bringing their strange heathen ways into what ought to be pure white land. Those of them who bother to cover their racism in the cloak of anti-terrorism are as transparently full of shit as the Klukker sympathizers who in the 1960s accused the civil rights movement of being a communist Trojan Horse.

 
 

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