No, Ben, Jacob’s newly-revealed nemesis isn’t the smoke monster and he isn’t in control of the smoke monster.
Right? Right??? I mean, come on, Nemesis-Locke was surprised when Ben told him about the encounter with Alex at the temple.
Fuck Benn, the real tough thing is that a lot of smart people I respect buy into this “Nemesis = smokey = Christian” BS.

Oh and relax. Ben Shapiro, broken clock, twice a day blah blah. Have one on me.

Serves you right for watching network TV, which is explicitly designed to reduce your intelligence to Shapiro/Goldberg levels of stupid.

JJ Abrams always comes up with fantastic ideas, but his pacing sucks. Cloverfield, the reveal was way too fast for good horror. Lost…has anything been resolved? Even on DVD, it’s way too slow. I stopped watching years ago, deciding to pick it up again after it’s completed, and only if people think it ended well.

But against all odds, Dollhouse got renewed! It’s an extravaganza bonanza! Always good to see Joss Whedon still employed.

I haz new nym.

The fact is, Freedom is taking USA back from you liberaldemcommie socialist scum:

http://ow.ly/7pye

I stopped watching years ago, deciding to pick it up again after it’s completed, and only if people think it ended well.

Same here, except for the deciding to pick it up again part. My wife was really into it for about the first half of the first season and then she too got tired of constant overly-dramatic paranoid posturing. Bleh.

But against all odds, Dollhouse got renewed!

Now that is good news. Thanks!

The fact is, it’s Beverage Sunday.

We don’t watch network TV; never seen Lost. What’s it about?

Does it have PENISES?

Dollhouse, Schmollhouse– somebody wake me when the start making more Firefly.

For years I’ve argued the obvious superiority of cats over dogs. Any affection from a cat has to be earned. Dogs are subservient boot-lickers who convince you of your greatness as long as you are the one in control of their food bowl.
Anyway, from this point forward I’ll forgo all other arguments and stick with this; “Jonah Goldberg loves dogs.”
Case closed.

somebody wake me when the start making more Firefly.

If only. IMO the Firefly cancellation was the most tragic side-effect of Peak Reality TV in 2002.

Dollhouse started showing some promise in the last few episodes, which is why I was certain it was going to be shitcanned.

We don’t watch network TV; never seen Lost. What’s it about?

It’s about filling 42 minutes of time between the commercials.

It’s about filling 42 minutes of time between the commercials.

Actually, these days, the content is also a commercial – for the DVD version that doesn’t have the network bug or all the little popup annoyances advertising their other shows.

But in any case, no one knows what Lost is about, which is sort of the point, I think. Imagine a humorless version of SubGenius.

Fans are free to correct me on this, heh.

Best show on TV? I like Lost, but I have to plead Dollhouse, Life, and Burn Notice, to name a few. And True Blood, which should be an awful show but somehow, some way is actually a great one.

Troll amnesty? OK, uh, you lieberal loosers worship The One so much, why don’t you just gay marry him? Huh?

Don’t worry. This just goes to show that a blind wingnut will eventually find a three-legged squirrel. Or goat.

Imagine a humorless version of SubGenius.

Aiugh. The whole POINT of SubGeniusity is a sense of humor.

Dollhouse, Life, and Burn Notice

And still no one has even mentioned Breaking Bad? [sigh]

If you want answers out of Abrams watch Fringe.

They just raise more questions, but you do get answers.

Plus, Denethor vs. Spock bitches!

Troll Amnesty? They’re still sleeping off last night’s meth jag.

Turn up the punk music!

And still no one has even mentioned Breaking Bad?

That one is good fun. I keep forgetting it exists, but catch it now and then – always good for a jaw-dropping surprise like a half-dissolved corpse falling through a ceiling.

…True Blood, which should be an awful show but somehow, some way is actually a great one.

That’s exactly what I’ve heard about it from friends whose entertainment tastes are like mine. I’ll have to give it a try.

And True Blood, which should be an awful show but somehow, some way is actually a great one.

Yep. And I can’t explain it, either.

I dunno, Tintin. I didn’t get all bent out of shape when I learned that Bush liked to eat pretzels.

On the other hand, I approve of any and all reasons to drink, so this is as good as any.

Troll Amnesty?

That is what the fact is.

If only Hillary with the giant balls (she’s a fighter) had been elected we would have no more wars anymore and every single person who had been involved in torture would be preparing for the sentencing phase of their trials and the AIG building would have already been razed and the plot it sits on turned into a giant multilevel organic farming collective and the banks would be run by David Sirota and his favorite blog commenters and all you Obots would be sad.

I’m gonna go ahead and break with the orthodoxy and say the best show on television is 30 Rock.

And as to the Pantload, well, he’s right about dogs.

I dunno. I’ve always considered dogs pretty stupid, which explains a lot about why they like us so much.

And Bob is incorrect about being able to earn affection from a cat. Any affection a cat appears to give you is nothing more than a ploy intended to distract you and keep you off-guard while the cat completes its evil plans.

I’m gonna go ahead and break with the orthodoxy…

There’s an orthodoxy? Wait, do you mean us Whedon-geeks or the “I don’t watch network TV” Arugula-and-Grey-Poupon-eaters?

Realist: Know that you’ve blown their cover, the cats will have to kill you.

@The Cat: JJ Abrams was involved in the Lost pilot. He hasn’t been involved with the show since. I’m no fan of that hack, but it’s not fair to blame him for Lost.

@Tintin: you and Ben are wrong about Lost. It’s the television equivalent of a Dan Brown novel. You and Jonah are right about dogs, but in the process you’ll notice Jonah has to make a concession that should outrage his bible-thumping comrades: dog love is as valid as human love because both are the result of evolutionary processes. This won’t sit right with the “evolution is wrong because science can’t explain love” crowd.

Plus, Denethor vs. Spock bitches!
O.
M.
F.
G.

For 20 episodes I’ve been thinking ‘Now where have I seen this guy before?’ Now I know.

N.C. is right. 30 Rock is currently the best show on television. This is mostly because TV is a more suitable medium for comedy than for drama.

Also, watching 30 Rock lets you see ads for Southland, which comes off as a parody. “Where’s my baby???” “Oh my GOD! There’s a BABY in the STREET!” “No-Nonsense Lady Cop, why do you care so much about these street hoodlums?” “BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WILL.” Then you have a gruff cop dressing a bunch of black kids in uniforms and making them chant about making their neighborhood a better place.

And amidst all of this, you have ad copy which touts the show as the second coming of The Wire. It’s possibly funnier than 30 Rock itself.

One of the funniest scenes on teevee of the last five years is Earl Hickey being chased across lawns, and caught and pummeled, by a quadriplegic. I’m a lost cause.

Then you have a gruff cop dressing a bunch of black kids in uniforms and making them chant about making their neighborhood a better place.

You are making that up. NO WAY there’s that self-satirical a commerical out there. Nope. Roll to disbelieve.

I’m a lost cause.

You’re not alone. That show kills me, not least because I might as well have grown up in Camden, and that scene was hilarious.

[Lost is] the television equivalent of a Dan Brown novel
Look, dude, I understand your anger – I was also hurt by what Abrams did to my beloved Star Trek. But comparing him to Dan Brown, that’s hitting low, man.

Oh Jonah, with his “Obama didn’t adopt a SHELTER dog like he said he would blargh blart!” and his “MY dog, on the other hand, IS a shelter dog yarkity yark!” is being his usual obnoxious self. Don’t care if he does love dogs, he’s still an idjit tool. My fellow animal-shelter volunteers and I agree that on the whole we prefer being around dumb dogs and evil cats more than dumb evil stupid-ass people, any day.

TV shows? They all suck. I do like “The Office” when I prerecord it and FF through the 17 minutes of commercials. That Stephen Colbert fella’s pretty funny too.

Scotch? Yes.

Pere Ubu, all I can find on YouTube right now is the original set of promos. I think it was the third episode or so. I’m digging around. I know it happened, and my roommate just confirmed she saw it too.

Read Shapiro’s lecture on comedy and balance will be restored.

Realist: Know that you’ve blown their cover, the cats will have to kill you.

Bob, that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever

Shapiro “get’s just about everything wrong?” These clanging grammatical errors are most often found in the midst of calling someone else an idiot. They are sad.

The best show on television, my stoopid punk bitch friends is called “OFF”. As in turn the fucking thing off and go listen to some music.

No wonder you all have such shit for musical taste. No doubt most of you were raised on MTV back when they actually showed music videos. That explains a lot.

Not sadder than having nothing more to add than a flame over a typo but I guess it has been declared an open thread.

A dog will eat a brussel sprout.
A cat…not so much.

I had a cat who would eat brussels sprouts if they had a little butter on them.

Jonah’s right because even a broken clock, etc.

I don’t watch Lost (which friends love) or Fringe, etc., because I got fed up, watching The X-Files (and then Heroes) of nothing ever being resolved. I understand the reason behind it–which the Lost people sort of apologized for in an article in the NY Times a couple years ago–but the life-is-too-short light starts blinking and I bail.

Of course, if Heroes had actually been an hour-long series every week about hoagies, I’d not only watch, but Tivo.

Hopefully it was good scotch Tintin.

The greatest things on television were the Vegematic commericials. It’s been downhill ever since.

Irrelevant Yet Educational Anecdote:

As the aforementioned Fickle Bitch decreed, I just happened to see the September 11th tragedy live on TeeVee, due to my having signed up for a free month of cable as a lark (the apartment contained an antiquated boob-tube along with its other squalid furniture when I moved in) — so you’d think if there was ever a time to want to watch & “see what happens next” that would be the time, amirite?

When the month was up, I phoned the cable company & told them to go pound sand. They “accidentally” gave me about two more weeks’ worth & tried to ding me for it. Cute, eh?

I just wish I’d recorded the phone-call … the poor lady I talked to acted like I’d just told her I’d strangled her child. How on Earth could anyone NOT want a 24-hour supply of electronic Demerol?

Yeah, me & my silly sentience-fetish.

I love TeeVee like Dracula loves garlic. If you want to know exactly why I have a permanent & serious hate-on for the gogglebox, read The Perfect Machine by Joyce Nelson (happy ending sold seperately).

No wonder you all have such shit for musical taste. No doubt most of you were raised on MTV back when they actually showed music videos. That explains a lot.

I’m young enough never to have actually seen MTV when they only showed music videos.

Speaking of life being too short–and since this is an open thread–has anyone here read Neal Stephenson’s Cryptonomicon? I loved Snow Crash, and this had a great rep, so I started…

….and 250 pages later threw it (figuratively) across the room, yelling (fig.) “nothing has fucking HAPPENED yet.” So now I’m reading Bleak House, if you must know.

People who watch TV are such sad sacks. Instead, they should spend all their time hanging out on internet forums where nobody likes them. Then they’d be cool.

has anyone here read Neal Stephenson’s Cryptonomicon?

Yes, and I had about the same reaction you did, though I did slog through the whole thing. Likewise System of the World. He’s recovered with Anathem, IMO.

Don’t fight it Tintin. Only fools are enslaved by Time and Space!

I’m young enough never to have actually seen MTV when they only showed music videos.

you didn’t miss much.

But even if the genetic explanation is absolutely true, it doesn’t change the fact that I love my family.

Only because they keep you supplied with Cheetoos Jonah.

Shapiro “get’s just about everything wrong?” These clanging grammatical errors are most often found in the midst of calling someone else an idiot. They are sad.

Nah, just an allusion to Shapiro’s poor grammar. “This scene begs three questions”? That kind of wording raises three questions: what? the? hell?

I actually read this thread from start to finish. It’s been YEARS since I was able to do that.

Moar troll amnesty is needed around these parts, methinks.

Can’t agree about Lost, though I loved its first two seasons.

Best shows on television:
Breaking Bad
Damages (pending but renewed)
Mad Men (third season starts in July or August)
True Blood (second season starts in June)
30 Rock

So now I’m reading Bleak House, if you must know.

Oh, they made the old Commodores song into a book? Interesting.

I watch 30 Rock, and The Office – however, I watch them online, which allows me to maintain my superiority over people who watch network TV.

I conclude by revealing that I love dijon, but choose Trader Joe’s over Grey Poupon, which makes me both better than most people, and better than most people who think that they are better than most people, but are really just snobs.

zombie rotten mcdonald said,

May 17, 2009 at 19:47

I’m young enough never to have actually seen MTV when they only showed music videos.

you didn’t miss much.

I liked watching MTV when they showed music videos. Once they went “reality”, they LOST me.

P.S. I still can’t drive 55!
~

didn’t there used to be a dog on ‘Lost’?
what happened to it?

I think it’s pretty well known the first video MTV showed was the Buggles’ “Video Killed the Radio Star,” but for some reason, when I think of MTV when it first started, the one that comes to my mind is Pat Benatar’s “You Better Run.”

I rate for J.J. Jackson and Nina Blackwood. I do not rate for Alan Hunter.

didn’t there used to be a dog on ‘Lost’?
what happened to it?

I saw a sign about him on a telephone pole earlier, I’m sorry to say.

I’m young enough never to have actually seen MTV when they only showed music videos.
—————————————-
you didn’t miss much.

Well, they did miss out on the dancing chickens with toenail polish.

The dog is fine. He’s been living with Rose and Bernard for the last three years (from 1974-1977).

Well he might not be fine *now*, since the last event of season 5 was “The Incident” happening. My guess would be that everyone lived through that though. It seems unlikely that they would kill off most of the main cast with a season left to go.

Yeah, me & my silly sentience-fetish.

I admire you teetotalers, but every now and then I need a nip. Vodka, for prefs.

And if you like dancing chickens, you’ll love this hehe!

90s MTV did create Beavis & Butthead and Daria, which were pure awesome.

Well, they did miss out on the dancing chickens with toenail polish.

See, who needs memories when we have Youtube?

Once they went “reality”, they LOST me.

Yes, although I have to say the Puck is an OG troll.

90s MTV did create Beavis & Butthead and Daria, which were pure awesome.

Agreed. Unfortunately, since they were on MTV, there will never be a decent and complete home video release. Not officially, anyway – I do recommend the King Turd homebrew B&B set, if you haven’t seen it, and if that’s still out there on teh Bittorrent. I haven’t seen if there’s been a comparable Daria effort.

Pere Ubu, all I can find on YouTube right now is the original set of promos. I think it was the third episode or so. I’m digging around. I know it happened, and my roommate just confirmed she saw it too.

Pshew, yeah, and was there a gruff but loveable old black lady to stand in front of the thugs and yell “THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD!” while she did the “you go girl” head-roll and everybody clapped?

thank you, xecky (for the snark)& dagoril (for the sincerity).
didn’t there used to be a dog on ‘Lost In Space’?
didn’t there used to be a dog in ‘Lost In America’?
didn’t there used to be a dog in ‘Land of the Lost’?
whatever happened to them there ‘lostie’ dogs?
i watched the recap episode, and i decided that was boring and that was supposed to be the best of the previous series and would encourage people to watch these schmucks as they visit each other in their various dens and tell each other cryptic half-truths, and make me wanna watch the finale, nuh-uh. I watched the first season and stopped when it became clear that Locke wouldn’t tell everyone why he thought the island was a remarkable place (“see this wheelchair, I used to be stuck in it.”. Apparently the island self-selects for assholes. Mystery solved!!!

thank you, xecky (for the snark)

– heh, I thought you were joking in the first place. I guess it’s just how I read things, especially here.

Apparently the island self-selects for assholes. Mystery solved!!!

You really should put ***SPOILER**** on the front of comments like that.

MTV (Music? Try VH-1) did indeed spend a glorious summer showing nothing but videos, not even commercials. There were about thirty videos in the world. If you watched twelve in a row, seven of them were “Every Breath You Take” by the Police. Running around acting stupid, staying up all night, beating Galaxian like a rented mule, discovering girls… wait, MTV had a shitty summer, but it rocked for me.

I’ve been unable to avoid being aware of Lost. They went Ross ‘n’ Rachel so many times… “Wow, more survivors!” “Wow, non-survivors lurking and watching!” “Wow, shite Brezhnev-era bomb shelters with associated technology, and firearms for everyone!” “Oh fuck, TIME TRAVEL. Right, that’s it.” Then there was a period of ON the island, OFF the island, ON the island, OFF the island… And in the background, Hans Zimmer filing a C-and-D order for stone cold jacking his “creepy sliding strings” cue-and-hit schtick from the Alien movies.

I give the latest finale 100/100 points, minus one point for every single character who didn’t actually permanently die in the fission bomb blast.

As to plot resolution, I give it even odds: a silly, ignorant deus ex machina, or a melange of Alfred Bester’s “The Men who Killed Mohammed” and P.K. Dick’s “The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch” by a couple of guys without O.G. sci-fi chops, who found out they were blazing a beaten, well-marked path halfway through season three — around the time Zimmer started leaving flaming bags of dogshit on their doorsteps — and compensated by… nobody will EVER convince me otherwise… making up new shit as they went along. With enough characters and impromptu “dead? NO! ALIVE! NO! BOTH!11” rabbits in the hat, you can not only shine a turd but gild it as well. TV eats a bag of dicks yet again.

Coming next season on Lost is a riveting episode when they find an old electric can opener in the woods and then spend most of the next hour deciding if it’s an omen of things to come.

But who has the conch?

I’ve never seen “Lost”, but from this Bony Baloney’s description, it doesn’t really sound all that different from another classic television show featuring castaways on a deserted island far from civilization or hope of rescue yet where odd occurrances pop up at least once away. Tell me, was a three-hour tour involved in this somehow?

Also, I like cats and dogs equally, but dogs like me better than cats. With cats, it’s more like warm respect.

Also also, I lived too far out in the sticks to have cable, so now MTV for me. However, young Matt T.’s Saturday evenings were regularly filled with “Austin City Limits”, “Soul Train” and “Hee-Haw”, so that’s how I got my audio-video fix. Plus, throw in the weekly installments of “Doctor Who”, those youthful viewing habits pretty much explain the bulk of my adult personality quirks.

Sucks to your ass-mar Piggy.

MTV also had Sifl & Olly, which was one of their best shows (and cost-effective; their budget was about 20 bucks a show). Seriously, watch clips sometime. It’s hilarious.

Best Doctors were Tom Baker then Jon Pertwee and the rest sucked their ass-mar.

I declare “Sucks to your ass-mar” the new Blackity black.

Poor Fool. He gets so sad being reminded of the days when punk was the term they used in prison for bitches like him.

Dollhouse pretty much sucked until Wash showed up. Now I look forward to seeing all 43 personalities.

Guess Joss owed Alan a plum role after his Serenity script ended early.

Dollhouse pretty much sucked until Wash showed up.

I thought it started looking up just before that – but I mostly agree. I was doubtful that Eliza Dushku had the range to play a character who can be programmed to be nearly anyone – and, after seeing her try it, I don’t think she does. Could have been worse, though. All they have to do to improve the show is play her down some and let everyone else carry it.

Guess Joss owed Alan a plum role after his Serenity script ended early.

Heh. He was a great choice, whatever the motivation, IMO.

Poop.

I’m glad somebody else made an SS Minnow reference so I didn’t have to, but could still enjoy the release from the unbearable pressure of not doing so. Like trying not to piss.

I sat in on the last episode because I figured Chekov’s Law about revolvers on stage went double for busted-ass hydrogen bombs straight out of the Flintstones (you have to beat the cylinder with a rock to wake up the insect holding a tiny hammer and chisel over a single Bohr-model atom, who mutters “Hey, it’s a living” before raising the hammer high overhead). I wasn’t disappointed. Plus I saw a split-second small-arms anachronism, got to explain a bunch of tedious physics about magnetic fields and said “No, it’s not Spanish, it’s Latin with a mouthful of marbles. He who protects all. Brilliant recognition phrase, it was either that or ‘swordfish,’ you know?” Then the big finish, which was probably a UFO landing or another recursive time warp.

To clarify: I consider that “The Man Who Was Tuesday” sank to the axles in bullshit halfway through, meandered pointlessly as the heroes talked to themselves out loud, had a stupid and pointless climax and resolved Sweet Fanny Adams. Draining the energy and resources of half the world to build a giant Halloween funhouse, solely to jerk around a handful of idealists, and then dump them on the side of the road with “and then they woke up and nothing was smashed and nobody had died” is a hanging offense, for the characters involved as well as the author. If you disagree, you probably disagree with me about Lost. Not that it matters…

Thursday. He was THURSDAY, not Tuesday. Sorry, the whole MTV thing was giving me 80s flashbacks, and I think Aimee Mann temporarily seized control of my brain.

wingnut Amnesty Thread?

Tintin’s finally snapped….

Turn up the punk music!
Johnny Lydon has been dissing NZ butter in his latest advertisements for the UK product. He is dead to me now.

Just say no to troll amnesty.

Now I know how some people feel about baseball and food threads. TV? That’s like something you watch advertising on right?

Meh, I really don’t get people who badmouth Dushku as an actress. Is she the bestest in the whole wide world? No. Is she good enough to suspend disbelief? Yep. Seriously, go back and watch some Buffy S3 with Faith. Despite the fact that she’s playing sexy bad girl characters throughout most of Dollhouse, they “feel” absolutely nothing like Faith. Granted, Echo/Caroline isn’t terribly interesting so far, but I don’t think we can entirely blame Eliza for that.

My main problem with Dollhouse S1 is that it’s sort of a fumbling, directionless mess. There are only a few episodes that focus on any kind of arc, and there are some big problems that seem more like plot holes than unanswered questions (why was Dominic sending Ballard messages?). But it’s a totally new thing for Whedon, with morally challenging subtext out the wazoo, and no happy family that brought warmth to even the darkest moments of Angel. It’s not everything it could be, but when I’m horrified and angry at some of the opinions of people on Whedonesque, I know he’s probably doing something right.

I sat in on the last episode because I figured Chekov’s Law about revolvers on stage went double for busted-ass hydrogen bombs straight out of the Flintstones

Just so that everyone knows, the Bard’s famous world=stage proposition is NOT a corollary to Chekov’s Law. I tell you because nobody told me.

Aimee Mann temporarily seized control of my brain

She did that to me when I met her sometime in 1986, only I don’t think it was my brain.

a bottle of Macallan 18
Should that not be The Macallan?

[Attempts to instigate whisky-pedant flame war].

” Aimee Mann temporarily seized control of my brain “

I think she’s grabbing Michael Penn’s brain now.

Who knew Aimee Mann was a zombie?

[Attempts to instigate whisky-pedant flame war].

[Stuffs rag in bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue, lights dry end, hurls at fire, runs.]

Johnnie Walker Blue is for slaves and parasites. I went malt years ago.

Different Mikey, I know just how you feel.I figure the only way I could feel more left out is if it was a thread about food and baseball on TV.

If Obama had adopted a shelter dog we’d now be hearing the right wing gasbags moan about how this “empathetic” choice was actually dissing the dog breeding industry.

I figure the only way I could feel more left out is if it was a thread about food and baseball on TV.

I saw a pretty good penguin on TV once.

Meh, I really don’t get people who badmouth Dushku as an actress.

We are a mysterious bunch. But I apologize, because that was not my intent.

Is she the bestest in the whole wide world? No. Is she good enough to suspend disbelief? Yep. Seriously, go back and watch some Buffy S3 with Faith.

I have, several times. The stuff with her and the mayor, especially, is all gold.

Granted, Echo/Caroline isn’t terribly interesting so far, but I don’t think we can entirely blame Eliza for that.

OK, I’ll concede that. I don’t think she’s bad, but we’ll see how she does if they do give her some characters who are really different from the bad-girl types (including Naughty Librarian, of which there were at least a couple in season 1).

I agree about the show being a directionless mess to start out. I keep wondering if Whedon et al were either forced to dumb it down some by the studio people or if they did so voluntarily to try to second-guess their way around what happened to Firefly – but somehow I don’t think so.

I will happily give it several seasons’ chance to fill in the plot holes, if that’s what they are – and if they are plot holes that go unfilled, that’s OK with me too. I like Whedon stuff for ambience and dialogue as much as, or probably more than, I do for plotting.

Templeton Rye is the only whiskey FTW!!!111!1111ELEVENTY! FRIST & c.

and so on and so forth.

Candy said,

May 17, 2009 at 22:30

Templeton Rye is the only whiskey FTW!!!111!1111ELEVENTY! FRIST & c.

and so on and so forth.

Once you try Paddy, you’ll never go baddy.
~

I watched the first season of Lost and when they didn’t resolve things in the last episode (as was promised), I quickly got bored with it. Haven’t seen it since. I hear people talk about it and I can kind of follow what they’re saying in the way you can get the gist of a soap opera 3 years after you stopped watching it. It just sounds crazier and crazier to me, with no resolution, like a shaggy dog story. I don’t watch television, although I have a TV that plays videos, so I will sometimes get the Netflix season of a show if I hear it is good, but I just have no desire to see anymore episodes of Lost. Feel free to sell me on it. Meantime, I’m really loving the HBO Rome series.

I like Whedon stuff for ambience and dialogue as much as, or probably more than, I do for plotting.

Well said.

90s MTV did create…Daria, which (was) pure awesome.

You’re standing on my neck!

[Attempts to instigate whisky-pedant flame war].

I fucking hate people who insist on telling others what they should or should not drink, eat, listen to, etc. This might come as a shock to you, but the world doesn’t give a fuck which whisky you think is best.

Some of us will, however, take recommendations.

Especially if you’re sharing.

Screamin’ Demon: I take it you’re not familiar with Smut Clyde’s oeuvre.

By the way, do you like cilantro?

So, JG knows how to grope, in a vague and disheveled way, towards the concept ‘genetic fallacy’ in 500 words or so.

Can we all say ‘genetic fallcy’, children? Good, I knew we could.

If the Sadly No editor wishes to be hopelessly and helplessly and totally shitfaced today, that is fine with me, but the attempt to lay it on some kind of ‘agreement’ with JG is Fail.

Man up, you need a couple of dozen drinky-poos today for some reason. Admit it.

early to mid 90’s MTV was actually pretty awesome. It might not have been that music-centric, but it had some realy great shit for a teenager to enjoy. Aeon Flux, The Head, Maxx. Beavis and Butthead. Daria; When I was in my early teens MTV was the place to be. Then came the wicked plague now known as ‘reality TV, spawning endless road rules marathons.

I was gonna tell the zombie burger clown that Penn and Mann split a few years back. Then I remembered I was thinking of Victoria Williams and Marc Olson. And that made me think of John Doe and Exene Cervenka getting divorced and still working together, which can you imagine?! c’mon!. And now I’m gonna pour me a scotch of a blended variety, to which I recently switched as a belt-tightening measure (which is the middle-class equivalent to the crybaby Manhattan millionaires in the NYT a few weeks back, but it’s a pinful sacrifice, goddammit!)

Stream of consciousness babbling on the internet: Cheaper than therapy since 1995

I’ve never seen Lost. I don’t think I’d like it.

‘genetic fallacy’ in 500 words said,

The Genetic Fallacy actually consists of believing that a strand of DNA has the sequence:

GTTACGGACAATG

When in fact it’s

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Mmmm yum, Mac 18.

zombie burger clown

Hey, now that’s just hurtful.

Saw Penn and Mann do a NYE show together just a couple of years ago. Still seemed to be together.

but it’s a pinful sacrifice, goddammit!

My mental image of GoatBoy has transformed into a scene from ‘Hellraiser’.

Okay, open thread and all that. Does this image represent people who have big crosses hanging between their legs? Because that’s what it looks like from where I’m sitting.

ittdgy, I think Paddy was what they put in my bottle when I was a wee colleen.

Just kidding. They didn’t really put whiskey in my baby bottle. I don’t think. It would explain a lot, though.

I can’t hate on MTV because if it wasn’t for them, I’d have been a least a decade late to see U2 live.

Lost? It’s like Millennium without the charismatic lead actor and with plants.

By the way, do you like cilantro?

I hear Dominos is offering a brussels sprouts, cilantro, and pineapple pizza. Now them’s good eatin’!

I loved MTV in its early days. Just thinking about Billy Squier doin’ the stroke used to make me feel positively faint with lust.

Billy Squier is playing Summerfest in Milwaukee this summer.

It just makes me queasy.

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLaphroaig

Any list of great 90’s MTV shows must include The State.

I loved MTV in its early days. Just thinking about Billy Squier Simon Rex doin’ the stroke used to make me feel positively faint with lust.

Ditto

I like Lost. A lot.

BOOBIES

There was never PENIS on MTV

I loved MTV in its early days. Just thinking about Billy Squier Simon Rex Bono singing doin’ the stroke I Will Follow or Gloria on that barge used to make me feel positively faint with lust.

Lgvln! rdbg! Bnnhbhn! kvvt!

Does this image represent people who have big crosses hanging between their legs?
I read it as an illustration of John Allegro’s “cross=phallic mushroom” theories.

Ha ha. I do not watch television (so aptly decscribed as “The Glass Teat,” by Harlan Ellison) as I am a supreme intellect, cursed w/ the consciousness of the superman, condemned by the ever-increasing shortness of time to choose between turning my mind to pudding or announcing my intellectual & moral superiority to all who read my awesome words on the Internet.

As to plot resolution, I give it even odds: a silly, ignorant deus ex machina, or a melange of Alfred Bester’s “The Men who Killed Mohammed” and P.K. Dick’s “The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch” by a couple of guys without O.G. sci-fi chops, who found out they were blazing a beaten, well-marked path halfway through season three — around the time Zimmer started leaving flaming bags of dogshit on their doorsteps — and compensated by… nobody will EVER convince me otherwise… making up new shit as they went along. With enough characters and impromptu “dead? NO! ALIVE! NO! BOTH!11? rabbits in the hat, you can not only shine a turd but gild it as well. TV eats a bag of dicks yet again.

Hahahahaha sweet trembling Ahab’s cock, I love me a good rant.

meh.

stopped clock, twice a day, and all that.

Yow, Benji’s little unreadable opus seems like it’s more of a commentary on his own mental health issues than on any objective viewing of anything I’ve seen on TV. Poor thing.

Don’t feel too bad about flying side by side with Teh Loadedhosen when it comes to dogs, either. Pretty much everybody loves mom and apple pie, too. If he had actually said anything more substantive than “Dogs are good because they aren’t too much smarter than me.” then I’d start worrying about having an opinion that coincides. As it stands, I’m perfectly willing to agree to agree with anybody when they say “Fire, hot!” or “Water, wet!” or some such drivel. Rather, I suppose, I can’t be arsed to explain why it’s pointless and absurd to begin with, and am likely to just point to the sandbox.

But hey, any excuse for a Macallan 18 is a good excuse.

They didn’t really put whiskey in my baby bottle

My mother told the story on herself that when I was two or three, I was being such a handful one day that she tried to spike my orange juice w/ a bit o’ whiskey of some sort, in a vain attempt to chill me out. Surprisingly enough, I’m said to have refused. (Maybe it was blended scotch. I eventually took to bourbon well enough.)

No actual memory of the event on my part, but that really might be central to the point.

No discussion of MTV of the ’90s, and the suckitude of MTV generally, can be complete without mention of The State, one of the all-time best sketch comedy shows, which aired on MTV and motherfucking STILL has not been released on DVD.

Also, unless Lost drastically morphed into a completely different show after season two, there’s no way it’s the best thing on TV. It had its moments, but the overall plod of the show was boring and way too padded out. I bailed when the show that initially attracted me with its wide-ranging cast of good actors kept returning its focus to Jack, Kate and Sawyer, the three most dull and cliched characters on offer.

Put my vote down for 30 Rock. I don’t currently watch any TV dramas. But the Venture Brothers is a better drama than the first couple years of Lost. I give a damn what happens to The Monarch. Sawyer, not so much.

The best show on tv is the Rachel Maddow Show. This is not up for debate, and it returns the cosmos to its rightful place in respect to Loadpants and copypasta Ben.

I watch Lost, but this season has been the worst since the fucking cages. It’s been like watching Kevin Costner’s Robin Hood movie; every plot point is foreshadowed in BIG BOLD FONT at least a few minutes before it happens. The show is all about letting yourself be manipulated by good storytelling, and they’re getting lazy.

Gratuitous B. Squier reference at (2:55).

But the Venture Brothers is a better drama than the first couple years of Lost.

Venture Bros. kicks so much ass I’m at a loss to express it. I admire the hell out of Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer for turning watching way too much Saturday morning TV into a goddam career. That show is brilliant, though I bet it only makes sense to people who were kids in the 1970s – I hope its appeal is broader.

M., I didn’t try what you mom tried with my bouncy kid, although I thought about it a couple of times. I did make the mistake of letting him sip my wine when he kept asking for a taste, when he was about eight. I was drinking a very dry white wine and thought he’d hate it. Long story short, he didn’t hate it and from that day on I always had to keep a good weather eye on him any time I had an open bottle of wine around. He’s 17, and now he steals my beer if he gets a chance.

I was just like him when I was a kid.

The best thing about telebision is that it is telebision.

A = A!, egg-sucking weasels.

zombie rotten mcdonald said,

May 17, 2009 at 23:51

There was never PENIS on MTV

So that nightmare of some dimwit calling herself “Kennedy” and blowing some right-winger is all just a fever dream?

I read it as an illustration of John Allegro’s “cross=phallic mushroom” theories.

The first thing that came to mind when I saw that mortarboard was the spoof of the Hang Ten clothing logo I used to see sometimes in California, where the Hang Ten bare feet pointed upward would be matched with a second pair of bare feet in between them and pointing down. In other words, instead of God and propriety and life and womb babies, that mortarboard brought to mind sex.

Mah favrite Firefly quote, let mw show you it:

“Wash: “Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.”

Zoe: “We live in a space ship, dear.”

News: British Airways to fly London-Las Vegas non-stop

Views: Yeah, Baby!

“Lost” is an horrendous joke, and it’s fans are the saddest fuckers ever.

However, for the dogs and The Macallan, I forgive you.

Commenting while drunk never turns out well.

Uh, is “Cosmo” Jonah’s pet name for K-Lo?:

Leeds man said,

May 18, 2009 at 0:23

Commenting while drunk never turns out well.
====================================

I’ll hoist a drink in yur honor, Judge Leeds!

Real World L.A. (Season 2) was the best (or least worst). It was all downhill from there.

I’ll buy into Lost as soon as someone can explain what the hell X-Files was all about. Or the ending to 12 Monkeys.

Firefly/Serenity rocked.

I’ll buy into Lost as soon as someone can explain what the hell X-Files was all about.

It was a sinister plot by the government to convince people that people who believed in sinister plots by the government to cover up UFOs, psychic phenomena, vampires, talking dolls, angels, demons, Tibetan spirit-forms, and secret corporate/government medical experiments were crazy.

The story wasn’t that, the show itself was that.

@psychedelic santa

It just sounds crazier and crazier to me, with no resolution, like a shaggy dog story. I don’t watch television, although I have a TV that plays videos, so I will sometimes get the Netflix season of a show if I hear it is good, but I just have no desire to see anymore episodes of Lost. Feel free to sell me on it.

Keep in mind that most of the people here bitching about it aren’t actually watching it either hehe. The biggest caveat for watching the show, is that you have to actually watch each episode and pay attention. The characters read a lot throughout the show, and what they’re reading is often a clue as to what’s going on. And you also have to watch the episodes starting from the beginning, or you will have no idea what is going on.

The second caveat is that you have to be comfortable with unanswered questions lingering for a while. Some people just spazz out when everything isn’t tied up neatly in a bow at the end of one episode. It’s not Happy Days. Hell, it’s not even Star Trek TNG. So if you can trust the writers to answer your questions eventually, you might enjoy it.

So a brief attempt to sell you on it, while not spoiling too much…

Season 1: Plane crashes on mysterious island. You learn about the survivors and their pasts.

Season 2: You learn about the Dharma Initiative, some creepy studies they were doing on the island, and what happened to them. You learn about the existence of the Others, non-Dharma people on the island who seem to be the bad guys. The island has some amazing properties, which they go into a little bit.

Season 3: You learn a lot about the Others, and perhaps they aren’t the bad guys after all…they have rivals off-island trying to find it, presumably to exploit it’s unique properties.. Some of the survivors get off the island.

Season 4: This season was cut short due to the Writer’s Strike, otherwise you would have learned more about the Freighter people…rivals to the Others. This is the season though that shows which of the survivors of the original plane crash got off the island, and what happened to them. It’s increasingly obvious that leaving the island was a mistake, and that they have to return somehow to fix things. Meanwhile on the island, to stop the Freighter people from “harming” the island, they move it.

Season 5: This is the time travel season. In previous seasons it was revealed that one’s consciousness could travel through time, but only under some very unusual conditions. And the side effects were pretty severe. There is science behind it though, and they explore that. Also, the survivors return to the island. But some of them return in the present, and others return to 1977. The latter end up joining the Dharma Initiative, who were still active on the island at that time. The survivors that never left the island, ended up stuck in 1974, and some of them also ended up with the DI. The season ends with events that led up to “The Incident”, mentioned throughout the last few seasons. “Jacob” is finally revealed.

There are still unanswered questions, some new ones just added last week lol…but they have resolved quite a few of the mysteries already. And unlike some I don’t believe the writers are just making it all up from week to week, only to end it all with a deus ex machina event, or “oh it was all the snowglobe of a crippled boy”, or whatever. The only thing I know for sure that they made up while going along, was why the character Hugo didn’t lose weight while stranded on a desert island, and it was pretty ingenious hehe. (The actor playing him just couldn’t stop eating junk food in real life, so they just wrote it into the script).

At any rate, I love the show, and would encourage others to give it a shot. There’s plenty of tv for dumb people out there, and not much that makes you think. Enjoy it while you can, because next year it’s going to be “I’m A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here!” on tv; you know, that show Blago was trying to get on.

Sunday brunch, first conceptualized about 1547 Pacific:

Hamburger
Hamburger buns
Mayo
Horseradish
Possibly Kroger’s® imitation Velveeta.

Orange juice.

Ennui.

You can’t ban me, Tintin. I’ll always find a way back!

I’d replace that ennui with some Dijon, if I was use. M. Bouffant.

Better yet, some Polish spicy mustard.

Also, Kroger’s has real Extra Sharp Cheddar that isn’t so bad. Really.

I buy it meself.

Oh, I’m a big fan of Lagavulin, if we need another block of peat for the flames.

Interesting. I think I actually doubled on the ennui.

It’s surprisingly high-calorie.

“It’s surprisingly high-calorie.”

Which means the lib nanny state will soon outlaw it because of “public health”.

You can’t ban me, Tintin. I’ll always find a way back!

Wow, spoken like a true B-movie villain. All that’s missing is the effete faux-British accent.

Bring on the dancing badgers!

Sorry to tell you, Dagoril, but LOST is also taking place in Tommy Westphall’s snow globe.

By Rob Miller
” Never ask a friend to buy a horse you wouldn’t buy yourself” – (Loose translation of an old Yiddish proverb)

Apply the principles urged on Israel to the United States, and you end up with a scenario something like this:

The new final settlement conference between the US, Mexico, and the Aztlánistas is scheduled for late June. The agreement promises a new chapter in the relationship between the countries — and new hope for Mexican refugees yearning for self-determination and a state of their own.

For years, there have been ongoing hostilities, culminating in a rash of illegal immigration and ongoing terrorism on the border. While there are many troublesome issues, new attitudes on both sides of the conflict may mean that peace is finally at hand.

The new status quo will probably look very much like a proposition made by New Aztlán advocates like MEChA (and prominent American academics), tempered with the peace plan promoted by Mexican President Calderon. Other Latin American countries have endorsed the plan.

What the Aztlánistas want is final status on a state of their own with contiguous borders, New Aztlán, to consist of the American territories of California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. The capital of the new regime will, of course, be traditionally Aztlánista Los Angeles.

All non-Mexican settlements and American settlers would be evacuated outside these borders to the original pre-1836 US borders, with some modifications, perhaps, to reflect demographics. Part of Northern California, for instance, could be traded for land in southern Nevada, eastern Louisiana, Colorado or Utah as part of a final agreement.

A key demand for the Mexicans and the Aztlánistas is justice for the descendants of the refugees and their descendants dating from the original American-Mexican conflict. They want a full right of return for these refugees and their descendants to Mexican lands still in the hands of the US. The plan’s supporters insist upon a right to settle in the US for those Mexicans dubbed “illegal aliens” who have been victimized by what both the Mexicans and the Aztlánistas denounce as the apartheid border wall and restrictive US immigration policies.

The proponents of the plan also demand (1) the agreement must have a deadline for implementation; (2) all checkpoints within New Aztlán, (especially on the current borders) are to be removed to allow the Aztlánistas freedom of movement; and (3) US occupation of New Aztlán must end during the interim before the final settlement agreement is implemented.

The Aztlánistas are also demanding full sovereignty and control over historic US sites like the Grand Canyon, the Alamo, and Yosemite.

An important part of the agreement is that all Mexican and Aztlánista prisoners currently in American custody, who the Aztlánistas consider to be freedom fighters, will be repatriated to Aztlánista territory.

In exchange for this, the Mexicans, Latin American Nations and Aztlánistas promise to recognize the remainder of American territory as the sovereign United States. These parties have agreed to renounce illegal immigration, terrorism and to dismantle the drug cartels currently operating out of Mexican and Aztlánista territory.

The problems of a final solution to this problem should not be underestimated. Right wing ultra-nationalist settlers who consider these territories part of their historic homeland, regardless of international law, populate much of the area in question. Resettling them in the United States within the pre-conflict borders will entail considerable trouble and expense for the US.

In the territories on the North Bank (Texas) in particular, opposition to a proposed land for peace settlement is particularly widespread, not least when it comes to control of the Alamo, which many settlers consider one of the most important sites in their history. The Aztlánistas are insisting on total control of the Alamo as part of their State, claiming that according to their tradition, Aztlánista hero General Santa Ana tied his horse there before ascending to heaven.

There are also questions of what kind of control the Mexican government and the Aztlánistas have over groups like the Zetas and MS13 (who are actually mostly Salvadorans), who have yet to commit to being part of any settlement and questions of the proponents’ ability to prevent illegal immigration to the US.

Obviously the International community will have to provide substantial amounts of aid to both Calderon and to the Aztlánistas as part of a package in order to bolster America’s new peace partners. American critics of the peace negotiations have pointed out that such aid in the past has largely ended up in the hands of corrupt Aztlánista politicians. The money has been used in the past to fund drug cartels and terrorists organizations like the Zetas. But experts agree that continued foreign aid would undoubtedly be the necessary “price for peace” on the part of the US.

As the Aztlánista population grows, time is running out for a comprehensive settlement. American President Obama has pointed out that the Latino “demographic bomb” will leave Americans with the option of either being a minority in their country or foregoing democracy and permanently occupying the southern territories.

Unless the coming conference ends up with major concessions by the Americans, an intensified cycle of violence is almost guaranteed. The Aztlánistas will become more radicalized as they lose hope of reaching a comprehensive settlement.

We may very well be on the verge of a peaceful, two-state solution in the region. A land for peace agreement is undoubtedly an important step towards that goal. Proponents of a two-state solution have pointed to Oslo and the Gaza disengagement by Israel. Supporters of the agreement argue that such a plan can work if it is properly implemented with the support of the international community.

Most experts in the field contend that the two-state solution is the only hope of ending the conflict and preserving America’s character as a democratic state.

one’s consciousness could travel through time, but only under some very unusual conditions. And the side effects were pretty severe

Huh. Why am I thinking of the book I just finished awhile back – In the Courts of the Sun by Brian D’Amato. They find a way to use a kind of particle accellerator to send a “copy” of a person’s consciousness back in time – but the reciver not only gets his brain wiped for the “copy”‘s new personality but develops massive fatal brain tumors from the radiation.

Shorter Cut’n’Paste Troll:

“STNKY MESSCANS R STINKY, JUST LIKE AYRABS”

M bouffant, that sounds so good, I want to dip my balls into it!

NO AMNESTY FOR COPY PASTE TROLLS!

the Courts of the Sun
I am a sucker for ST Coleridge allusions.

By Lori Lowenthal Marcus

Aaron Klein, the intrepid Middle East bureau reporter for World Net Daily, hopes that his new book, The Late Great State of Israel, will blast open the tightly shut eyelids of most of the Western world in time to prevent the demise of the Jewish State. The most striking way he does that is by revealing that all of us — the Bush and the Obama administrations and the rest of the world — have been hoodwinked into actively participating in the Final Solution proudly and publicly trumpeted by the, at least thus far, “organizationa non grata” Islamic terrorist group Hamas.

For the past four years Aaron Klein has been reporting from Israel, covering every major event in the news vortex of the Middle East. There are many differences between Klein and nearly all the other Middle East journalists: he actually interviews the Arab Palestinian terrorist leaders and asks them about their plans to annihilate Israel, the extent of their military build-up, and the degree to which weaponry provided by the West to support Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party has been acquired by Hamas. The terrorists answer Klein honestly and unequivocally. Read this book and find out what they say.

Klein knows that merely exposing the unabashed genocidal agendas of the Muslim world’s terrorist leadership will not, because thus far it has not, motivate any organized efforts to thwart them. He knows that because, despite the reports he files directly quoting those terrorist leaders’ statements of their intention to annihilate the Jews, no outcry has been heard to permanently deprogram the terrorists, let alone any efforts to actually eliminate them. That is, unless you consider the modern version of torture known as dialoguing terrorists to death.

So what information does Klein provide to start the revolution?

Klein spells out in elaborate, substantiated detail the extent to which Hamas has infiltrated Fatah. In those situations most relevant to US and world aid to and support of Fatah, Fatah is Hamas. Trying to hold hands with one but not the other is impossible.

But wait! Aren’t Fatah and Hamas locked in a death struggle, the winner of which gets to be the official terrorist group of the Arab Palestinians? How could they be the same? There are two answers to that, an obvious one nicely wrapped in a maxim, and one that Klein has mined from his exhaustive investigative reporting.

Both Fatah and Hamas define themselves almost exclusively as genocide-seeking enemies of Israel; they are aligned in hatred against their common enemy – the Jewish State. So, as the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That’s the obvious one.

Now let’s turn to the more significant factor. This one completely spins the aforementioned maxim on its head: sometimes the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy — especially when those enemies are not just similar in principle, but are actually the same.

Here’s an example which Klein documents in detail: Just before Hamas routed Fatah in Gaza, Israeli security officials “warned that all major intelligence and security organizations associated with Fatah were in a state of ‘deep infiltration” by Hamas.” In fact, in one of the interviews that makes this account so valuable, Klein learns from a Fatah intelligence official that after the Hamas Gaza takeover, “Fatah officials found Hamas had penetrated their security organizations at the very highest levels.”

But we do not have to rely on anonymous quotes from Fatah officials, as Klein further explains: On July 27, 2007, Abbas released a 200 page report of an investigation into the conduct of Fatah fighters in Gaza. The goal of the report was to uncover the reasons why Fatah’s control of Gaza crumbled so quickly and completely to Hamas. Nabil Amr, a senior Abbas aide who served on the investigative committee, stated on the record that it was because “Fatah security forces were in a state of infiltration by Hamas.”

And here’s the biggest jaw-dropper: while intending to support and bolster Fatah to defeat Hamas, the United States may actually have been helping Hamas defeat Fatah.

Lieutenant General Keith Dayton, the American security coordinator in the region, birthed the eponymous US strategy. The Dayton Plan was for the US to strengthen Fatah’s security forces so that Fatah would defeat Hamas, a scourge both to Fatah and the US. Yet Klein shows that, by coordinating strategy with a Hamas spy, it appears that the US actually helped Hamas bring down Fatah. Klein outs the Hamas mole and explains how the evidence, including admissions by Fatah leaders, fits together.

Dayton has a lead role in another, painful episode in Klein’s book. Klein reveals how the US-trained Palestinian troops turned tail and scattered every time they were charged with confronting Hamas terrorists, even on their own turf. In a repeated Twilight-Zone like scenario, the Israeli Defense Forces had to step in and defend its sworn enemy, Fatah, from its other sworn enemy, Hamas. In April, Lt. Gen. Dayton addressed a US newly-trained Palestinian battalion: “As I look at you, I couldn’t be more proud of the fact that you stepped up to be the founders of a Palestinian state.” The greatest irony, of course, is that in order to support the charade of a finely-trained Fatah militia, the Israeli military seems well on its way to being pretzel-twisted into stepping up as the actual “founders of a Palestinian state.”

The Late Great State of Israel is a lament from a very well-informed insider who fears it will be too late before the world awakens to the endgame taking place in the Middle East. He provides example after well-researched, documented example of the almost total inversion of reality to reportage on the Arab-Israeli conflict. If just one of his other chapters, each of which is devoted to another inverted reality, shakes up readers, Klein’s gloom may lift. But if even the chapter about the Hamas-Fatah convergence doesn’t cause an avalanche of reality-realignments, Klein’s despair will be entirely justified.

Went for the pseudo-Velveeta.

Thunder, in one of those amazing examples of something, I have some of the

(What’d I do?)

… EXTRA Sharp Kroeger Cheddar in the ice-box. It’s certainly better than the virtually flavorless reg’lar & merely Sharp varieties.

cheese?

Ahem:

intrepid Middle East bureau reporter for World Net Daily

“organizationa non grata” Islamic terrorist group Hamas

Blart.

Excuse me, but I must watch telebision. There is apocalypse porn.

EXTRA Sharp Kroeger Cheddar

Careful you don’t cut yourself.

Hey! You could use the cheese to slice the cheese!

intrepid Middle East bureau reporter for World Net Daily

Which has the same air of journalistic objectivity as “buttsechs bureau reporter for Blueboy Magazine”.

Who cut the cheese?

WHO!?!

Anybody remember the song “Stuffin’ Martha’s Muffin” by Mojo Nixon? About that really nebbish but hawt veejay from the first couple years of MTV, Martha Quinn? Lord, I was a teenager then, and I milked the one-uddered kine just about nonstop when she was on screen. To hell with Madonna and Cindy Lauper. Martha was the one.

I just thought of that for the first time in 20 years. MTV went to shit when John “well really my name is Mellencamp” Cougar started getting massive play on there, “Little Pink Houses” and that bollocks, followed by an endless procession of hair bands and videos with 1) doves flying towards the light in slow motion, 2) heaps of televisions exploding in slow motion, and 3) sudden costume & scene changes in mid-verse.

It’s enough to make me load my honey bear bong and lovingly bake the fragrant contents of the bowl.

No sooner said than done.

By Jan LaRue
Thousands of pro-life Catholics have called on Father John Jenkins, President of Notre Dame University, to rescind his invitation to President Barack Obama as commencement speaker this Sunday. The faithful are offended that the University is bestowing an honorary Doctor of Laws on a president whose policies, political and judicial appointments are the most pro-abortion of any president in history.

Few really expected Jenkins to do so. But what should Obama have done?

Notre Dame University bears the name of the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ, a wonderful, courageous, and wise woman. The only recorded advice that Mary ever gave concerned her Son: “Whatever He says to you, do it.”

As professed followers of Christ, the conduct of Jenkins and Obama seems contrary to Mary’s advice.

The questions for Jenkins are:

* “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” If you can welcome the most pro-abortion president ever to the campus of Notre Dame, why have you had faithful, pro-life priests and laymen arrested for praying and engaging in peaceful protest on the campus?
* “No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Why are you conferring a Doctor of Laws degree on a man whose policies violate God’s laws? How much money has this prestige cost Notre Dame thus far?
* Why are you violating the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops by giving Obama a platform and honorary degree: “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”

The questions for Obama:

* Wouldn’t it have been more honorable to remove yourself as speaker and end the strife in this religious community? How can you accept an honorary degree as one who “is inspiring this nation to heal its divisions of religion” when your presence at Notre Dame creates such acrimony?
* How do you reconcile your pro-abortion policies with your professed belief in Christ and Scripture?
* “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!'” Aren’t you glad this teen-age mother didn’t think she was being “punished with a baby”?
* “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Why aren’t the unborn included in your “audacious hope for a brighter tomorrow”?
* “Do not murder.” How do you justify denying innocent unborn children due process of law while making certain that suspected terrorists enjoy constitutional rights?
* “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” You may not feel that you owe any of us an explanation for your anti-life policies, but you’d better be prepared to give one.
* “Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not requite man according to his work?” Apparently, the point at which a baby gets human rights is still above your pay grade.

From 1989-1992, I represented hundreds of pro-life activists who were arrested in southern California for peaceful civil disobedience at abortion clinics. My clients included priests, evangelical pastors, homemakers, nuns, doctors, truck drivers, teachers, construction workers, every day, rock-solid Americans who believe that pre-born human life should be defended all the way to jail. Some were arrested for doing nothing more than standing on a public sidewalk to offer information, medical care and housing to women approaching an abortion clinic. Some were sued for defamation by the largest private abortion provider in California because they dared to call him “a baby killer.”

Truth is a defense against defamation. The abortionist admitted under cross-examination that he pulled human heads, arms and legs from the wombs of aborted women. Even so, he also claimed that knowing when human life begins was above his pay grade.

Seeing abuse and arrest at abortion clinics is nothing new. Watching it happen to pro-life people on the campus of the nation’s foremost Catholic university is beyond comprehension.

Every professing Christian should heed Mary’s advice. That includes the man who runs the University named for her and the president who claims to care about empathy and ending religious strife.

1) Prisoner
2) Lexx
3) Mad Men
4) 1st 3 seasons of House
5) Dungeons & Dragons cartoon, early 80’s

Who cut the cheese?

WHO!?!

Same guy that let the dogs out.

“The story [X-Files] wasn’t that, the show itself was that.”

I love it. On the other hand, I always thought the stand-alone episodes, featuring the freaks and geeks of America, snake-handlers and the like, were “What Blue State People Think of Red State People”.

I really wish the trolls would stop making me question my world view by posting TL;DR bullshit in open threads. There’s almost a 1:O(10**8000) chance it’ll work. Dear trollz, please leave us SadlyNaughts ALOOOONE!!! You’re totally like hurting our feelings.

Wolverines?

Hey! You could use the cheese to slice the cheese!

Our text for today, dearly beloved, is Proverbs 27:17 — “As cheese slices cheese, so one man cuts another”.
This is a reference to the concept of bootstrapping.
I just checked my bootstraps, but all they had caught was a pair of Doc Martens, and I had to let them go again (on account of them being an endangered species and protected under NZ law by the Punk Paraphernalia Act of 1992).

TV sux almost as bad as punk music.

Q: What do you call someone who watches Lost on a regular basis? A; Loser

Q; Did you hear about the really hot punk chick?
A: yeah, nobody else did either

Q; What is the only thing on earth that sux more ass than punk music?
A. El Cid

Punk music is like a big dump with corn kernels in it. Except without the corn.

I haven’t seen even five minutes of Lost but from the descriptions here it sounds like the last two seasons of Twin Peaks as presented by the cast and writers of Gilligan’s Island.

No thanks.

Also, Oban.

Furthermore, Balvenie.

In conclusion, PENIS.

In completely unexpected news last week it was revealed that Twitter is security compromised. It’s like something you never heard before, right?
And Aarron Klein cannot be divorced, in my mind, from his article reporting that some people think that Hurricane Katrina was God’s response to the Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. The article has bullet pointed scary similarities between Katrina and something else, so that the reader is supposed to lift their finger off the page and ponder.”Oooooh scary things the same”

It’s enough to make me load my honey bear bong…

Hey, you have one of those, too?

…I always thought the stand-alone episodes, featuring the freaks and geeks of America, snake-handlers and the like, were “What Blue State People Think of Red State People”.

Try as I might, I’ve never been able to forget the Peacock family.

Or the robotic roaches from outer space.

In other news, Teh Editors observe “We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders.”
You might as well steal it. Everyone else is going to. It’s that whole tragedy-of-the-commons scenario. It’s not like you’re going to improve the situation by not stealing The Editors’ lines.

Lost is pants. I try and start up watching it again every few months. Fail. It feels like Heroes-written by a focus group.

Dollhouse is probably my only must-watch right now. I love that a show founded on an explicitly atheistic view of humanity, that is inherently morally problematic (human bodies as commodoties, the nature of consent when the person that “consented” is stored on a hard drive, etc) and that actually tries to do interesting things each week is showing on American TV. Admittedly it is all over the place plotwise, but it wouldn’t work to have too much too soon-the only place you can really go is an escape, which isn’t terribly interesting. It’s also interesting in that it’s told from the point of view of the bad guys-and they’re fully aware that they are bad.

I also like the humanising touches-people are presented as having legitimate needs that need to be met, not because they’re greedy, but because they’re human.

Dagoril: you left out the third and fourth caveats. You must also be willing to endure soap-opera level acting. Also, you have to be willing to deal with a plot which goes absolutely nowhere and which has offered no resolution or meaningful progress whatsoever in its entire run.

Dollhouse is a Joss Whedon show, which pretty much sums up my opinion on it.

Hey, if trolls don’t like Lost, it’s probably worth checking out.

I really wish the trolls would stop making me question my world view by posting TL;DR bullshit in open threads.

I think you mean TLLLLLLLLLLLLL;DR.

LLLLLLLLLLLLand For Peace, American Style
The LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLate Great State of Israel
Our LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLady’s Advice

I think the current Fool is new or fake or whatever. This one’s clearly trying his best to bring the obnoxious, woman-hating Classic Fool flavas we know and revile, but he sounds more like a 14-year-old trying to be funny at a grown-ups’ party.

If I watch this Lost, will I learn who killed Laura Palmer?

Because I don’t feel like getting suckered again.

The fact is, Michael Savage is the only person in the media today who is telling it like it is he is a true hero and right now he is the only hope for us,the voiceless majority,in a country where the hard left socialists control the newspapers,the magazines,the TV, the movie industry,the schools and the universities. Michael Savage is the one that gives people like me,and there are millions of devoted Savage Nation fans,he gives us the daily dose of sanity in a crazy world, he gives us strenght to live among desgusting sexual deviants and perverts, demagogue politicians ready to sell their country down the river to the highest bidder, hoards of illegal aliens invading this country and bankrupting our hospitals,our schools,our prisons and killing innocent Americans in a drunk driving epidemic. Michael Savage is the voice of freedom. He is the only highly educated talk show host in America,smart, with fire in his belly, uncompromising.

Deep thought:

Even if Obama fucks up but good, the Dems are still going to make gains on ’10 and ’12. It’s all in the DEMographics.

I call Fake Gary.

Ok, I’m hungover, haven’t changed out of my pajamas all day, come here for the first time and see this?

I’m going back to bed.

the copy pasta troll is joking about the Messicanos taking over all those southwestern states, isn’t it? No one is really that stupid, are they? Are there really people dumb enough to imagine that L.A. alone could ever be “evacuated” of non-Hispanic people? Have they ever been to L.A.? Seen a map? Jebus Frackin’ Christ on a chalupa, troll, come in out of the sun! Your brain’s done fried up in ya head.

It’s all in the DEMographics.

Heh. No one could have predicted that acting like rabid lunatics whose entire plan for World Domination was WE WIN 4EVAR!!!!1 BECAUSE SHUT UP YOU TRAITOR THAT’S WHY!!!1 would alienate a whole generation or two.

Michael Savage is the voice of freedom. He is the only highly educated talk show host in America,smart, with fire in his belly, uncompromising.

Looks like Gary’s gonna be next on the “Kiss Rush’s Ass” Apology Tour.

I call Fake Gary James Joyce.

I call fake kiki.

She sounds like she’s trying to be a real bitch, but the real kiki is much more of a festering cunt.

“with fire in his belly”…

presumably Macallan 18, whatever that is. It seems to be the drink of choice among opinionators, and since SadlyNo! is agreeing with them today, I suppose they are drinking the same booze.

Sounds like some kind of fancy pants Whiskey. Whiskey tastes like kerosene to me -any and all of it. Pewww!

Drinking has been all downhill since they cleaned up the gin mills of London. Why don’t conservatives whine about that? Huh?

Gary Ruppert is the John Galt of our day. There is no fake Gary, for none of us can be Gary, yet Gary lives in all of us. He lives in your modern classical music LPs, the rails your Commie AmTrak rides on, the buy-one-get-one-free Flamin’ Hot Cheetos you got at Circle-K.

Who is Gary Ruppert?

Who is Gary Ruppert?

I don’t know, but brother, I can tell you what he smells like.

Six hundred farts from a dead cat.

As much as I love “Lost,” there are just too many daddy issues in it to make it the best show on TV. That honor is a tie between two shoes: “Mad Men” and “Breaking Bad.” Which is weird because everything else on AMC is dreck.

“Gin-mills of London” is now running through my mind, in the voice of Warren Zevon.
Could have been worse. It could have been “The Gin-Mills of Your Mind”, in Sting’s dulcet tones.

I have never seen “Lost” and have no plans to. Also, I’ve never seen “The Wire.” Or “Sopranos.” I have, however, watched “American Idol” (but only because my wife asked me to watch it with her – she loves that show for some reason).

Should I end it all now?

Oh, and Boston is going down. Book mark it, libs.

Curse you, Ray Allen!

That honor is a tie between two shoes: “Mad Men” and “Breaking Bad.”

Never watch either of those. I’m really and truly not in touch with the zeitgeist, am I?

Should I end it all now?

Heavens, no. None of this matters, we just talk like it does.

(Plus if you have to die for not having seen the Wire, I’m on the block too.)

Michael Gabor
Some environmentalists are now opposing certain alternative energy projects on the basis of the negative local ecosystem impact and displeasing aesthetics that, for example, massive solar plants and huge wind turbines might cause. Since liberal activists have made pariahs out of fossil fuel and nuclear energy, and can always stay warm by pulling their woolen thinking caps a little further down over their own eyes, it begs the question of what the rest of us are supposed to do to keep from freezing in the winter.

Any solution that directly or indirectly involves consuming resources and producing waste is offensive to the green movement’s dream of living in equilibrium with nature. Of course, that means no solution is acceptable. Life itself is a state of disequilibrium with the environment, as inconvenient a truth as ever existed for the dedicated eco-fascist.

Is Mother Nature is more Mommy Dearest than mommy of the year? Before the Scientific Revolution ruined everything by making modern civilization possible, the average life expectancy was 30, plagues routinely killed 25% or more of entire populations, and if you survived infancy you could generally consider yourself a success in life. It sounds enchanting: sign me up for the next trip on Mr. Peabody’s Wayback Machine.

Whenever a government finds it necessary to increase control of its citizens for the greater good, no good ever comes of it. Obama’s commitment to restore earth’s climate to the bygone days of yesteryear rings hollow. The government can’t even control the temperature at the local DMV office properly, so it is not reasonable to assume liberal bureaucrats can accomplish it on a planetary scale. But let’s not feel too bad for their inevitable failure to micromanage the earth’s temperature, because they will be receiving their usual consolation prize: three steps forward along the road to totalitarianism.

Burning the Constitution little by little in order to save us from ourselves creates such a tiny carbon footprint. Scientists barely notice the subtle change in atmospheric greenhouse gases.

“The Gin-Mills of Your Mind”, in Sting’s dulcet tones.

Sting?

Ahem.

MOSCOW — For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument — that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. — very seriously. Now he’s found an eager audience: Russian state media.
[Prof. Panarin]

Igor Panarin

In recent weeks, he’s been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. “It’s a record,” says Prof. Panarin. “But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger.”

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it’s his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin’s views also fit neatly with the Kremlin’s narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

“There’s a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur,” he says. “One could rejoice in that process,” he adds, poker-faced. “But if we’re talking reasonably, it’s not the best scenario — for Russia.” Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin’s ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country’s top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin’s English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.

Mr. Panarin’s apocalyptic vision “reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today,” says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. “It’s much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union.”

Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin’s predictions. “Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people,” says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin’s theories don’t hold water.

Mr. Panarin’s résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB’s successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.

The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are “classified.”

In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

“When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise,” he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. “They didn’t believe me.”

At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.

He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls “The Californian Republic,” and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of “The Texas Republic,” a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an “Atlantic America” that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls “The Central North American Republic.” Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

“It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time.” A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. “It’s not there for no reason,” he says with a sly grin.

Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia’s biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt “a pyramid scheme,” and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington’s role as a global financial regulator.

Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama “can work miracles,” he wrote. “But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles.”

The article prompted a question about the White House’s reaction to Prof. Panarin’s forecast at a December news conference. “I’ll have to decline to comment,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.

For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino’s response was significant. “The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully,” he says.

The professor says he’s convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union — 15 years beforehand. “When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him,” says Prof. Panarin.

United States to CoLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLapse?

The American Thinker is neither an American publication, nor is it a thinking one. Discuss.

Who let the copy pasta troll in?

At least I’m in one of the states that gets picked up by Canada.

“It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time.”

Over Sarah Palin’s dead bod, bitch-ass Russkies.

GRIZZLEEEEEEEEEEES!!!1!1!!

Paste-eating troll.

But, oh, what a bod her dead bod would be.

Paste-eating troll.

Jeff Goldstein, is that you?

This isn’t just a gaffe but rather a serious breach of security.Dope

Remember that “secret bunker” where Dick Cheney would go when it was necessary to protect the line of succession by assuring the survival of the Vice President if something were to happen to Bush? We know from press reports the location (or one of them) was a bunker complex on the Maryland/Pennsylvania border near Camp David. But there were other sites as well that were closely guarded secrets.

It is secret no longer as Daniel Stone of Newsweek’s blog The Gaggle quotes long time Washington insider Elenor Clift:

Ever wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.

Allah at Hot Air points out that this particular bunker probably protected the Veep’s aides. gag BidenHe adds:

Even so, what was this moron doing musing about vice-presidential security in front of an audience, even one that’s supposedly “off the record” as the Gridiron’s is? Stephen Hayes notes at the Standard that he visited Cheney’s home more than a dozen times and reported extensively on security precautions and yet not until Biden blabbed did he learn that there’s a secret facility at the Observatory. I googled around to try to debunk his claim that this was, in fact, classified information, but the only evidence I can find that the bunker’s existence was already public knowledge are reports circa December 2002 about suspicious construction going on at the Veep’s house.

Yessir. That’s what “smart power” will get you every time.

Mickael Pietrus is burying the Celtics. As a Golden State Warriors, fan, all I can do is wonder what might have been.

Hey, shithead:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A24386-2002Dec7&notFound=true

Courtesy TBogg.

I kinda like the idea that the VP is no longer such a coward that he doesn’t feel the need to go hide in a secret bunker everytime it clouds over.

My dream dicket, libs. One that you fear.

That’s what “smart power” will get you every time.

Google is your friend.

Sorry, link didn’t give the article content, whcih TBogg highlighted:

heney’s Home Sending Bad Vibrations
Construction Blasts Have D.C. Folks Shuddering, Speculating

If residents’ speculation is accurate and construction workers are digging deep into the ground, the project would be going through about 35 feet of common sand and gravel, according to federal officials at the U.S. Geological Survey. Anything beyond that depth would hit tonalite, an intrusive igneous rock similar to granite and common to this area.

A secret bunker, underneath the FUCKING HOUSE THAT THE VP LIVED IN. Yeah, god forbid the terrorists get that crucial info.

…the VP is no longer such a coward…

I quite agree, ZR McDonald. Nice to have Biden out and interacting with people, because those powerful folks go funny when they go into seclusion and start torturing people and doing all sorts of other horrible, immoral, illegal and/or bad-smelling things.

My dream dicket, libs.

Couldn’t have said it better myseLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLf.

What’s next, libs? You gonna put the VP’s home on Google Streetview? Morons.

If you took that dicket out of your mouth it might be easier to understand you.

Fuckface.

Go suck a cock, commie atheist.

A secret bunker, underneath the FUCKING HOUSE THAT THE VP LIVED IN. Yeah, god forbid the terrorists get that crucial info.

Disappointing, isn’t it? Not only is the bastard stupid and evil, he’s not creative enough to have his secret lair be behind a waterfall in Africa or under a mountain in Antarctica or something. And those have been done, in the movies, at least. So they’re not that creative.

This is more like building a fort out of your mom’s sofæ.

Check this out, libs:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Obama’s approval rating has been declining steadily.

The Rasmussen poll is even worse for Hopey!

the copy pasta troll is joking about the Messicanos taking over all those southwestern states, isn’t it? No one is really that stupid, are they?

Never say never with trolls. But I think it was making some stupid kind of equivalency between Israel/Palestinians and the seekrit Mexicon-Azitlan conspiracy to re-take the Southwest. or something like that.

It’s still bullshit, no matter how you slice it.

Remember that “secret bunker” where Dick Cheney would go when it was necessary to protect the line of succession by assuring the survival of the Vice President if something were to happen to Bush?

I’m fascinated by this part of the spam above. So Cheney spent some time camping out in his play-room? “When it was necessary?” So what was the motivation each time he’d scurry down to the basement with his sleeping bag and flashlight?

Fourth of July? His birthday? The scarey anniversary of 9/11? When Bush went traveling to Iraq?

Or would there be a rumor that maybe a ticking time bomb was set to go off in DC, so he’d run down there?

Would Lynn go with him? did he call up the girls and tell them to pack an overnight bag – or maybe just tell them to take a vacation to Wyoming, never mind why?

Rasmussen is a lying piece of GOP shit, like you, troofus!

Hopey unpopular?

I dunno, lesbians are pretty popular in general lately. Maybe if Maggie lost some weight her numbers would go up.

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Never watch either of those. I’m really and truly not in touch with the zeitgeist, am I?

I don’t know. Just wait ’til those shows are completely done and out on DVD. Watch them then. Good stuff.

I’m really and truly not in touch with the zeitgeist, am I?

I’m in touch with the Late Bronze Age zeitgeist. What’s all this talk about tele-bisons?

Andy Breitblart flips bird at protesters, only later realizing that they were protesting child soldiers in Africa. Makes a snivelling apology, justifying it based on his overwhelming hatred of hippies and the fact that one of the protesters stuck his fist up like a god damn black-a-moor. I love that guy.

Djur – doesn’t Breitblart remember that protesting is kewl now, at least if you bring lots of teabags?

Not only is the bastard stupid and evil, he’s not creative enough to have his secret lair be behind a waterfall in Africa or under a mountain in Antarctica or something.

well, considering that moving a box put him in a wheelchair, I’d guess he didn’t figure he could get into a lair with a tricky entrance.

I’m really and truly not in touch with the zeitgeist, am I?

touching a zeitgeist is punishable by two weeks in jail in Alabama.

I’d guess he didn’t figure he could get into a lair with a tricky entrance.

True, but he had trillions of dollars and tons of henchmen at his disposal. Surely he could have made an accessible lair. He even had good strong connections to a major construction contracting company who could do the building – scratch that, I guess he wouldn’t want to use anything they’d built, what with the sewage falling from the ceiling and all.

Hm. This evil is more complicated than I thought.

Keep your hands to yourself!!!

Obama just called for an abortion debate with “Open hearts. Open minds. Fair-minded words.”

C’mon everybody! Let’s do it.

I think some basic ground-rules are in order first.

Rendering abortion illegal does jack to actually prevent it from happening & has an excellent track-record of killing pregnant women & girls, so:

1) Pro-abortionistas have to admit to wanting to kill babies.
2) Anti-abortionistas have to admit to wanting to kill babies & their Moms.

Supplemental: all debaters must address the interesting asymmetry between Antis blowing up health-clinics & shooting doctors, versus Pros NOT blowing up churches or shooting televangelists.
Wheeeeeeeeeee!
Let the good times roll!

Santa Monica is an upscale part of Los Angeles, and Shutters is a pricey joint…..A thousand marchers into the protest, the sour looks aimed at the hotel’s clientele began to wear on us. The marchers’ defiant smugness started to make an enemy of me…..the I-love-a-protest-parade political left couldn’t help itself. It likes ruining nice sunny days. Protesting is what these people do. Sneering at their fellow citizens is their chief skill. Projecting arrogance is their birthright.

Uh, what a fucking clueless dork.

1) There’s a liberal political event almost every weekend in Santa Monica. There’s a reason it’s affectionately known as “The People’s Republic of Santa Monica.” The beach in front of Shutters routinely features crosses representing the US war casualties, and there’s a citizen group of tree-huggers protesting the cutting of street threes. Anyone getting offended by a political event in Santa Monica is probably also offended by skateboarders and those silver-painted break-dancing dudes.

2) Shutters-on-the-Beach is hardly known as a bastion for the Masters of the Universe. it’s more known as the place that Britney and Lindsey hang out and score drugs from the valets, and where the khaki-clad Googlers go to Happy Hour after work. You can get $5 drinks and nibblies there.

It likes ruining nice sunny days. Holy shit we control the weather as well. Hah ha no more winter for me.

Rendering (murder, theft, rape) illegal does not eliminate (murder, theft, rape). So I’m “pro-choice” on (murder, theft, rape).

That show is brilliant, though I bet it only makes sense to people who were kids in the 1970s – I hope its appeal is broader.

Indeed, sir. That show is made of pure win, and I am young enough to have almost missed the entirety of the Reagan administration.

Law is theft!

Fred – I’m really glad to hear that. And lucky for you about almost missing the Reagan years; I remember them all too well.

Law is theft!

I thought that was dentistry.

Rendering choice illegal makes more deaths. So why should it be illega?

Keep in mind that most of the people here bitching about it aren’t actually watching it either hehe. The biggest caveat for watching the show, is that you have to actually watch each episode and pay attention.

Anyone who claims Lost is too smart for its naysayers deserves a smack to the head that I would be glad to deliver. Lost is rock-stupid. Boone’s death was foreshadowed when he found a red shirt in the forest and then, just to MAKE SURE EVERYONE GOT IT, he explained what “redshirts” on Star Trek were. Yeah, that’s intelligent screenwriting, all right. I guess if he’d been reading a book titled The Guy Who Died right before he bit it, some people would cream themselves over the cleverness of it all.

They killed Boone off in the same episode that Claire’s baby was born. Birth and death in the same episode: that’s soap opera level storytelling. And that’s what Lost is, a nighttime soap dressed up in sci-fi adventure clothes.

I thought that was dentistry.

Dentistry is law!

Poffertjes are theft!

That show is brilliant, though I bet it only makes sense to people who were kids in the 1970s – I hope its appeal is broader.

I grew up in the ’80s and it works for me! It’s my favorite TV show now… I couldn’t claim it’s the best thing on TV, but it’s the thing I love the most.

Dentistry is law!

What are laws with no teeth, anyway?

I am a thief. And I’m also a lawyer.

I grew up in the ’80s and it works for me! It’s my favorite TV show now…

Excellent! Though your comment and Fred’s are sad, in a way, because they seem to mean that generations other than mine were smacked with all that Hanna-Barbera bullshit that Venture Bros. makes fun of.

I loved all of that old HB cartoonage when I was a tot, but saw some again recently – and dear God, what a pile.

Yorkshire pudding is murder!

$5 drinks

What? No, it’s not possible!! I will not believe it. $5.00 drinks? In L. A.? Can’t be.

Haiku:

Punk’s lips form a seal
Around a big brown sphincter
The suction is strong

Anything (“Good” & “bad” are meaningless concepts in the gestalt of the tee vee.) on telebsion?

The map IS the territory!

So go get some complimentary real-estate at a gas-station near you!

(some conditions may apply)

1 million internets to the first person that can deduce where my nym comes from.

I only do this because the Great Gazoogle will not help you in this case, so it is an actual challenge.

Trans-fats of the dead?

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to construct dental bridges.

I will forever recall “Pofferties theft”.

Rhyming haiku:

The ebb and the flow
Punk rock both sucks and it blows
As everyone knows

So, earthquake in California, huh?

I’m nowhere near it, but I was playing a video game and out of nowhere half a dozen people said “whoa, big earthquake”.

‘desperate housewives’ is garbage teevee. but it advertises K-Y Intense, which I had never heard of before. How does it work?

Shake, rattle, and roll!

Also.

I didn’t notice it. But I was hungover. My spouse noticed, but it was no big deal. Nothing fell down.

I didn’t notice it. But I was hungover. My spouse noticed, but it was no big deal. Nothing fell down.

No KY Intense for my household then.

Late night comedy, and more, on S,N!

Our house shakes when our 21 year old son goes up and down the staircase. so I didn’t notice.

Pleasant dreams.

Effin Monday.

wahhh.

Effin Monday.

Yeah. Fuck.

Who is Gary Ruppert?

I wasn’t aware of the Gary’s mystique; I thought he was an actual person. But when I looked him up, I found this gem from before the 2006 elections:

Either that, or he’s for real and he’s the scariest human being on the planet. Seriously, that much blind fear mixed with that much surging hatred is generally found rarely outside gatherings of dudes who sincerly think that if the government locks it down, they’ll be able to fight off the armed forces with their collected deer rifles.

Who could have predicted that just a little over 2 years later, such people would be in charge of the Republican party?

KY in tents? What? I am so not going camping with you people.

Trolled by the MSM of the inner tubes :

Obama Braces Self for Wrath of Pajama-Clad Blog Commenters

LiberalCatGirrrrl999, a former Obama supporter who has turned on him in recent days, said that the President ignores her irate, long-winded blog comments at his peril.

“There’s been so much emphasis on the influence of liberal bloggers, the White House has ignored where the real power is: anonymous blog commenters,” she says. “Hold on, my mom is yelling at me from upstairs.”

Ha ha take that, loony lib’s.

K-Y Intense, which I had never heard of before. How does it work?

I was recently wondering about that. My guess is, following the success of peter pill spam, Big Pharma decided to synthesize the legendary “Spanish Fly” & market it.

Quake updates: click me!!

KY in tents? What? I am so not going camping with you people.

When that pup tent pole comes out you will so [sic] be begging for the K-Y you may even be audible over the banjos.

Fred E. Ceancis said,

I only do this because the Great Gazoogle will not help you in this case, so it is an actual challenge.

Book title and author: “He’s Looking For Us”, by Fred E. Ceanus — Akin to “100 Yards to the Outhouse” by Willie Maikit, illustrated by Betty Wont.

I can’t believe I rose to this bait like a komodo dragon.

Tiger’s Revenge.

Gay Sex In Scotland

I dunno that one.

Power walked past a beefy Red Scorpion today on the seawall. On his back was his business card, tattooed.

Dude’s female companion looked like Debbie Schlussel. Oh how I wish I’d had my camera with me.

by Ben Dover and Phil McKracken

Ah ha. Thank you, Zesty G!!!

Book title and author: “He’s Looking For Us”, by Fred E. Ceanus — Akin to “100 Yards to the Outhouse” by Willie Maikit, illustrated by Betty Wont.

I can’t believe I rose to this bait like a komodo dragon.

Clever, but as they say, Sadly, No!

You all shouldn’t be so hard on me. You don’t know how difficult it was being around all that ‘free love’ in the 70s, while nobody would touch my shrivelled member with a 10-foot shitty stick. Not to mention my regular ass-beatings by punks.

That’s when I learned to hate punk and women, and became the Worst Hippie Ever.

Hey Xeck, Wonderful, et al,

Diamond Age is the best.

Shorter Perfessor today (DA memorial version) –

Jokegate: Obama mustn’t try to be funny, otherwise everyone will go Galt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260113149028331.html

“100 Yards to the Outhouse” by Willie Maikit, illustrated by Betty Wont.

Potty is theft!

Actually, it was listening to shitty punk music that made me hate it. And of course the fact that punks needlessly hated the far better music that came before them and the hippies who came before them. And as for punk chicks, I’ve had my share. Probably more than most of my detractors. But, as I say, it ain’t nothing to be proud of.

The fact is punk music blows. It was a musical blind alley. But in the process they brainwashed a lot of people into hating the far better music that came before punk. And it should not go unnoticed that the state of popular music was not nearly as desire as punk/music critic mythology claims. The list of 4 starand 5 star classic rock albums that came out in the first half of the 70’s is long — right when the punks supposedly were being inspired to rebel against the crappy, bloatedTM rock which was supposedly all that was available to them

But too many people are too invested in it and would lose too much face to admit it. The success of punk hinges on two factors 1) bad taste and 2) fashion. Some people actually like it. They are people with bad musical taste. They have short musical attention spans and like simplisitic nihilism expressed simplistically. Its similar to the phenomenon of people who like metal, except without metal’s partially redeeming feature of having people who can actually play their instruments. Punk was basically a fashionable form of performance art rather than a form of music that relied on musical virtues per se.

For others its an emperor’s clothes situation. Lots of people don’t really care about music other than as just another fashion or something that gives them a chance to be on the cutting edge. Classic rock’s edge had already cut so they had missed that boat and were looking for another opportunity. These people could potentially jump on board any musical bandwagon under the right circumstances. And those cicumstances have nothing to do with the quality of the music.

Sorry st00pid pun bitchiz. I know it;s hard for you, but it’s true.

the word “desire above” shold be “dire”

“the state of popular music was not nearly as “dire”

Oi, prick! Fuck off!

“Able to play their instruments”=Gratuitous high-speed running up and down a blues scale over the same old boring 12-bar progression while bellowing cliched lyrics about your baby.

“Unable to play their instruments”=Having actual ideas.

“Able to play their instruments”=Gratuitous high-speed running up and down a blues scale over the same old boring 12-bar progression while bellowing cliched lyrics about your baby.

Proof that Marv knows not of what he speaks.

“Unable to play their instruments”=Having actual ideas.

If only it were that easy! Then we’d all be musical geniuses.

Boys: I know all of these revelations are very hard on you psychologically. But remember: the first step toward musical recovery is admitting you have a problem.

#

Clever, but as they say, Sadly, No!

PERPETRATOR!!!! I thunder.

Weird. I didn’t know this was a punk rock music blog.

naw, Blart, it’s just trollbait. He found an issue that someone always responds to.

Nothing, though, is less Punk Rock than dancing badgers.

Jerry Garcia WANTED to be a punk, but couldn’t muster the energy.

For Jerry Garcia to be a punk he’d have had to cut off his 9 remaining fingers and lose all of his incredibly sharp musical taste.

Energy? The Dead toured more than any other major band and always played shows that were a minimum of 3 hours.

Badgers with mohawks would rule.

But too many people are too invested in it and would lose too much face to admit it.

Mmm. I bet they’re the kind of people who might, say, go on a forum where nobody is talking about music at all, and start posting witless teenage shit about how a different musical genre is bad.

Yeah, you’d have to be a real loser to be so invested in a style of music that you’d bother to do that. On a regular basis. For several months.

I know zombie. Its hard to let go of childish things. But try, brother, try. You can do it.

You can recover from your punk brainwashing and learn to enjoy good music for a change and for musical reasons! Brother MCDonald: I have faith in you and I think you can pull through this thing and put your unfortunate past behind you.

Hey “kiki”:

Are you the real festering cunt, kiki, or just that bitch whose been spoofing the festering cunt, kiki?

Actually, I’m a guy. But I’m glad my nym brought out your woman-hating side.

Then again, the day of the week having a ‘Y’ in it probably brings out your woman-hating side.

Hey kiki:

If you’re a punk chick, I apologize for all the aspersions I’ve been casting on your kind. I’m just reacting to attacks made on me in that regard.

Despite what I said about the average, there really ARE some hot punk chicks and maybe you’re one of them. Chin up, sweetcheeks.

A guy named kiki? Okay…..

I’m just reacting to attacks made on me in that regard.

Wow. You must be a fake Fool, because the real Fool would have to be some kind of monumental, blubbering pussy to start boo-hooing about ‘attacks’ on his good self after some of the shit he’s posted here.

A guy named kiki? Okay…

Yeah, I’m afraid you’re not really ‘schooling’ some hot punk chick. Sorry to put you off your ‘stroke’.

Well no kiki. if you roll the tape you’ll find that the history of The Fool on Sadly Blow goes approximately like this:

1) A while back, The Fool posts relevant pro-Grateful Dead comment in good faith
2) The Fool gets attacked for alleged bad musical taste by st00pid punk bitchiz
3) The Fool fires back with devastating logical force
4) The st00pid punk bitchiz respond feebly with no arguments and 100% insults
5) The Fool continues to make strong, well-reasoned arguments about why punk sux ass.
6) The stoopid punk bitchiz become increasingly frustrated and have The Fool banned
7) The Fool is so hated by st00pid punk bitchiz they stalk him on other web sites
8) The Fool gets unbanned but can’t make a comment on anything without being attacked by st00pid punk bitchiz
9)The Fool decides to play to the stereotype since he has no other option

Be all that as it may, the bottom line is punk music really does suck ass for all the reasons stated and Jerry Garcia is God.

Diamond Age is the best.

Seconded. I didn’t like the ending as much as the beginning and middle, but there are lots of neat ideas in that book. The whole opening bit with the punk shopping for a skull gun, and his subsequent career of crime, is terrific – and the stuff with the Primer even better. Anathem is the first glimpse of that Stephenson we’ve seen since.

Yeah, I’m afraid you’re not really ’schooling’ some hot punk chick

Yeah but a dude named “kiki”? I think the same concepts may still apply, sister. Except obviously you’re not hot.

Anathem was interesting but weak on characterization.

The Fool decides to play to the stereotype since he has no other option

Actually, The Fuckwit has the same option as anyone else who’s hanging around somewhere he’s not wanted. Unless of course The Fuckwit’s life is so tragic that he has nothing else to do.

kiki, I DO applaud your ability to entice that hilarious bit of delusion from our dancing badger friend….

Well, to recap:

The Fool hates people who are overly invested in a style of music, so he has NO OTHER OPTION but to repeatedly visit a non-music-related forum and make hundreds of posts insulting a musical genre he doesn’t like and anyone who listens to it, all the while calling the women on the forum cunts because they keep attacking him.

That about the long and short of it, Fuckwit?

kiki: at this point I do it just because I still like the site, even if the comments are infested with st00pid punk bitchiz — and not everyone’s as much of a festering cunt as you are.

But I admit, its kind of fun to watch you get your panties all in an bunch too.

kikidee: You know the only thing worse than a fuckwit who has nothing better to do than get a rise out of stoopid punk bitchiz who don’t like him?

A pathetic fuckwit who thinks commenters on a blog are his real friends and has nothing better to do than attack the fuckwit with no friends for not being as popular as s/he is.

Keep at it, then. I just don’t want you to get too upset at all those meanie mean attacks from all the cunts – sorry, you may also know them as ‘women’ – and people disagreeing with your astoundingly well-thought-out treatises on modern music. Chin up, you poor little victim!

I don’t remember saying anything about my popularity. The fact that everyone on this site hates you has got absolutely zero to do with me.

oh kikidee: you are such a mean girl!

Well, of course he likes the site.

It’s The only one that hasn’t banned him. Well, this personality, at least. I hope he’s got a better one that he uses IRL.

oh zombie: you;re such a mean girl too.

The only sites I’m banned from currently are Lawyers, Guns, and Money and Time’s Swampland. I’m proud to have been banned in both cases.

In the one case I was banned because I made a philosophical point about the ticking time bomb scenario that many of my fellow liberals find to challenging to be able to deal with. In the other case, I was trying to hold Karen Tumulty accountable for taking a cheap shot at Hillary Clinton.

JACK BAUER HATEZ PUNK BITCHEZ (and women) TOO!

It is too funny forever.

BTW, boys and girls. In case you haven’t noticed, this is a comedy site. Its not really focused on having in depth discussions about the issues. So going off topic here and poking fun at people is a little different than doing it at, say, Glenn Greenwald’s or Matthew Yglesias’ sites. I post in both of those places all the time without ever mentioning st00pid punk bitchiz — unless the st00pid punk bitchiz have stalked me down at one of those other sites.

Fool:

At the risk of rising to the bait, if technical accomplishment is all that you define music by, then go listen to Husker Du. Or The Clash. Or Television. Or the Minutemen. Or the Voidoids. Or the Dead Kennedys. Or any number of other very technically accomplished punk bands. Or punk-influenced New Wave artists, such as the Police, the Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, Siouxsie and the Banshees, et al.

I suggest especially that when historic and world-class talents such as Sting, Stewart Copeland, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, David Byrne, Kurt Cobain and others find something of value in punk music, you might be missing something.

I like the Talking Heads, The Clash, and Elvis Costello but not for their punk influences and not really for their technical accomplishments (although the Talking Heads had a hot rhythm section) but more for their songwriting and singing.

As for the rest of those bands, I’m not impressed with them technically and I think their singing and songwriting sucks.

P.S. I require much more than technical accomplshment or else I’d be a metal fan. Singing and songwriting are also high on my list. But you put those two thing together along WITH technical accomplishment and then you’re really onto something.

Your taste is up to you. But if artists you respect like punk, then you might be missing something.

Because all of those artists found value in the energy and songwriting they found in punk also.

And I personally wonder how you can not see both songwriting skilz AND extreme technical ability in the Minutemen. Let alone Television and the Voidoids.

Or, as far as songwriting guys, the extremely punk-influenced and punk-influencing Lou Reed.

But I really should just finish this Allman Brothers / Dead Milkmen compilation CD, and head to work. ‘Cause that’s just how I motherfuckin roll.

But if artists you respect like punk, then you might be missing something.

or not. For several reasons:

1) There really aren’t very many artists whom I like who were influenced very much by punk and they aren’t all that high on my list, except the Talking Heads, but I’ll be damned if I hear any punk in the Talking Heads. Perhaps you’re confusing punk with funk?

2) Punk became such a critics’ pet that lots of people were forced to acknowledge it or be attacked like The Fool. If I don’t really hear it in their music, like I don’t in The Talking Heads or Nirvana, then I think they were probably just trying not to be attacked by st00pid punk bitchiz when they acknowledged an influence. That plus some of them, probably Cobain, grew up at a time and in a place where hat was what was around them — and punk does have a strong rebellious anti-conformist ethos — so someone his age is going to latch onto that before the Rolling Stones. But that’s an accident of birth, not a musical judgment. In the end Nirvana’s sound is much closer to classic rock than to punk. Cobain was a Beatles freak.

kudos on the Allman Brothers. I’ll go listen to some Dead Milkmen since you obviously have at least some good taste and I don’t know the Milkmen’s music. I’ll let you know what I think in a bit.

Cobain was also a HUGE Meat Puppets fan, or ‘freak’ if you prefer.

This is funny though:

lots of people were forced to acknowledge it or be attacked

Son, I lived through it, and that doesn’t resemble anything like reality.

I’ll go listen to some Dead Milkmen

O I know how this is going to go. Nice little trap there Another Jim.

And that’s the last time I avail myself of the troll amnesty.

I listened to 3 songs that Rhapsody listed as among their best

1) Punk Rock Girl – the lyrics reek of the ironic hipster, not really that interetsing. The nusic doesn’t really sound punk more like simple lame rock. The singing is lame. Dude if this is an example of technical accomplishment, you need to get out more. Or relisten to Duane Allman.

2) Bitchin’ Camaro – doesn’t sound like punk, sounds like beatnik jazz. No singing, just lots of ironic snotty hipster comedy bullshit. Making fun of The Doors in a not very clever way.

3) Dean’s Dream – ok that sounds like punk. And that’s the problem with it. The singing is that stereotypical really bad punk singing. You know, that old I’m cool because I’m not even trying to be good schtick? Also the lyrics. Which part of the following is supposed to be good song writing?

It’s a Friday night cookin’ show
With a horse-meat dish
I had to stay in the freezer
All Thursday eve
Talkin’ to that horse

I escaped from a theatre
To see a girl
With long blonde hair
Right down to there
I escaped from a theatre
To see a girl..

..if you were really going to check out a group, you might like the Minutemen more.

I love The Dead Milkmen, but they’re totally pure nihilistic fun – “Bitchin Camaro”, “Taking Retards to the Zoo”, “Right Wing Pigeons”, “You’ll Dance to Anything”…good times.

I ended up burning compilations of Allmans and PE instead.

Now I’m starting to get it. You boys like the snotty comedy of Sadly Blow and you like the snotty comedy of punkers like The Dead Milkmen taking pot shots at classic rock and Camaro drivers so on.

Sorry boys, but snotty pot shots just ain’t much to hang a musical aesthetic on. It’s ok for a political satire web site though.

Yeah other people have recommended the Minutemen to me before. I’ve tried but they just don’t do it for me. Doesn’t seem like there’s much “there” there.

The Talking Heads came from and through the NY Punk Scene, and are considered to be punk-influenced by most musicologists. And I honestly don’t see them or other artists as being so scared that they would claim a punk influence where there wasn’t one, and then stick with it years after punk faded. But that’s me.

And that’s a short list of artists who are punk influenced. Neil Young would be another one. And every single grunge band, and every single post-Metallica metal band, and a lot of current pop-stars as well. Which isn’t punk’s fault; it’s an influence, period.

Think of it this way: you don’t get the brilliance of nihilistic humor. it just falls under “snotty pot shots” to you.

That’s ok. You’re just missing out on a lot of great art. But whatever works for you.

Neil Young punk influenced? I think you have your causal arrow backwards, bro.

Think of it this way: you don’t get the brilliance of nihilistic humor. it just falls under “snotty pot shots” to you.

No I get it, that’s why I like Sadly Blow. But music isn’t really essentially about comedy. That’s very shallow music at best or the occasional novelty song. Once you’ve appreciated the pathos of the Allman Brothers or the genius of a Bob Dylan or the excitement and emotionality of the Rolling Stones, ironic hipster comedy just doesn’t meet the minimal requirements of what makes for truly great music.

Like I said though, it’s fine for a comedy blog.

Pssst. Don’t tell anyone else here at Sadly Blow but The Fool’s persona here at Sadly Blow is really a bit of nihilistic humor in the vein of Andy Kaufman. I would have thought you st00pid punk bitchiz would have figured that out by now. Oh well.

Keep on rockin’ in the free world, dudes!

Neil Young punk influenced? I think you have your causal arrow backwards, bro.

What makes you think there’s only one direction for influences? Pearl Jam, and others, acknowledge the impact of Neil Young and Crazy Horse; but Young has appropriated freely, including collaborations with punk musicians and even inviting Social Distortion and Sonic Youth to tour with him back in the 90’s.

I mean, you don’t have to like punk music, and you can be as snotty as you want, but most musicians have far wider interests in other sounds than might show up explicitly in their liner notes.

Its like this. I like Sadly Blow and I think its funny and it has its place. But let’s look at a political analogy. Classic Rock is like Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman. Punk music is like Sadly Blow and The Poor Man etc.

Now imagine that Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman come along first and everybdy loves them but then after several years Sadly Blow and The Poor Man come along and talk shit about Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman and how they are bloated dinosaurs doing the same old shit. And then imagine that everybody turns against Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman.

At that point some snot nosed little dumbfuck can come along and tell me that Sadly Blow is better political analysis than Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman, but I’m afraid I’m going to have disagree. They’re not even in the same league.

analogy FAIL.

Don’t tell anyone else here at Sadly Blow but The Fool’s persona here at Sadly Blow is really a bit of nihilistic humor in the vein of Andy Kaufman.

Too much sincerity always tips the hand. Here and elsewhere you’re just an asshole on the internet.

Neil Young punk influenced? I think you have your causal arrow backwards, bro

No, I’m thinking of “Rust Never Sleeps”, and particularly “Hey Hey My My (Into the Black”, which shows Neil Young borrowing heavily from punk, to the point of calling out to Johnny Rotten by name.

And we’re also discussing subjective taste here, really. Which is fun and even useful to a certain point; but it’s important to remember it’s still subjective.

I don’t personally enjoy Coltrane, while I’m totally into Miles Davis. That doesn’t mean Davis Rulz and Coltrane Sux, you know?

Bubba: one of my most studious disciples. Keep working at it, grasshopper.

I’m a trashtalking but substantive truth teller, to be sure Bubba. But I don’t start the trash talking. I just infuriate assholes who challenge me without the chops to support their claims. Sue me, bitch.

At that point some snot nosed little dumbfuck can come along and tell me that Sadly Blow is better political analysis than Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Paul Krugman, but I’m afraid I’m going to have disagree. They’re not even in the same league.

But Sadly No has at times given better analysis than Krugman, as for instance during the 2008 Dem primary, when Krugman had his weird Hillary-influenced stick up his ass about single-payer plans.

Just because someone may be a snot-nosed little dumbfuck, doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

By the way, Another Jim = Mayor of Lower East Ratdropping NJ, at my work computer.

For no good reason.

music isn’t really essentially about comedy. That’s very shallow music at best or the occasional novelty song. Once you’ve appreciated the pathos of the Allman Brothers or the genius of a Bob Dylan or the excitement and emotionality of the Rolling Stones, ironic hipster comedy just doesn’t meet the minimal requirements of what makes for truly great music.

Whoa … someone thinks their shit doesn’t stink.
Now THAT’s comedy gold!

music isn’t really essentially about comedy. That’s very shallow music at best or the occasional novelty song. Once you’ve appreciated the pathos of the Allman Brothers or the genius of a Bob Dylan or the excitement and emotionality of the Rolling Stones, ironic hipster comedy just doesn’t meet the minimal requirements of what makes for truly great music.

What a maroon!

music isn’t really essentially about comedy. That’s very shallow music at best or the occasional novelty song. Once you’ve appreciated the pathos of the Allman Brothers or the genius of a Bob Dylan or the excitement and emotionality of the Rolling Stones, ironic hipster comedy just doesn’t meet the minimal requirements of what makes for truly great music.

You always hurt the one you love …

Yeah, but Frank Zappa wasn’t really smart. Let alone technically accomplished or a good songwriter.

That’s why I don’t consider Zappa great. Too much of a comedian.

Comedians cut right to it, in a way many others don’t.

Bill Hicks, for instance, made more incisive political sense in his short life than James Carville ever will.

Sure Zappa was technically accomplished but that’s not enough to achieve greateness. I alluded to him here a while back because he is funny though.

Dynamo hum! Dynamo hum!

You forgot to mention the boys from Hee-Haw. They put Flatt, Scruggs, and Monroe etc. to shame, no doubt.

Heh heh heh … nobody tell Teh Phool that defending Classic Rock in 2009 is actually PUNK AS FUCK.

I hate to see a grown sockpuppet cry.

Oh god, no. You mean I’m a punk bitch too? Well at least I ain’t st00pid!

The Fool’s persona here at Sadly Blow is really a bit of nihilistic humor

I don’t think ‘nihilistic’ means what you think it means.

Or ‘humor’.

Well at least I ain’t st00pid!

Objection, facts not in evidence, etc.

What about “a’ kikidee? Do you think I’ve got that word understood correctly, sweetcheeks?

Once you’ve appreciated the pathos of the Allman Brothers or the genius of a Bob Dylan or the excitement and emotionality of the Rolling Stones, ironic hipster comedy just doesn’t meet the minimal requirements of what makes for truly great music.

Your contemporary rhythmically repetitive and structurally simple homophonic music sucks, while my contemporary rhythmically repetitive and structurally simple homophonic music is TRULY GREAT.

zombie: I’d be glad to give you my test scores if that would help you but I did that once before and everyone erupted into fits of jealous rage.

Wow. Talk about music history fail.

Sure Zappa was technically accomplished but that’s not enough to achieve greateness.

I suspect that Steve Vai, Johnny Guitar Watson, Terry Bozzio, Vinnie Colaiuta, George Duke, Jean-Luc Ponty & a lot of other REAL musicians would say you’re talking out of your ass. Hmm, who to agree with about a musical matter – people with long successful careers which involved actually writing & playing music, or some anonymous smarmy twit on the Interwebs?

Help me, Magic Eight-ball!

Yeah, he’s not dancing fast enough anymore. Bring us a new troll, this one is worn out.

Your contemporary rhythmically repetitive and structurally simple homophonic music sucks

Compared to what? Classical music? Who cares? Roll the fuck over. I guess if you get a Ph.D. and take out a microscope and examine the sheet music really carefully you can argue there’s all kinds of rhythm there but maybe its not repetitive enough. It seems that the secret to rhythm that human beings (as opposed to musicology Ph.Ds) actually respond to involves a fair amount of repetition. Up on the backstroke!

We can debate whether classic rock is all really all that simple or not but certainly much of it is. But now who is the one who is resorting to sheer technical ability and technical ability alone?

The bottom line? It ain’t all about structure (and there are points of diminishing returns) when it comes to pathos, excitement, emotionality, and genius, genius.

it takes 2 to tango, bro

*FAIL ADDICT DETECTED – CHARGING ION CANNON*

Up on the backstroke!

Only a Biblical reference can do this justice:

“But it has happened to them according to the true proverb, ‘The dog turns to his own vomit again,’ and ‘the sow that has washed to wallowing in the mire.’ ”

I’d be glad to give you my test scores if that would help you but I did that once before and everyone erupted into fits of jealous rage.

“jealous rage” = shrugs & giggles

seriously believing posting one’s alleged scholastic stats is anything other than a pathetic attempt at bravado = hilarious

Carry on, my wayward stun-bunny. Your deadly Underwhelming Ray has us trapped right where we want you.

It ain’t all about structure (and there are points of diminishing returns) when it comes to pathos, excitement, emotionality, and genius, genius.

This sounds like an argument about the GREATNESS of punk music, doesn’t it Jim?

This sounds like an argument about the GREATNESS of punk music, doesn’t it Jim?

To the ignorant, yes. Structure CAN be too simple and too repetitive, e.g. most punk music. Its all about finding that happy medium boys.

Plus punk ain’t got no funk and its rhythm is junk.

Plus punk ain’t got no funk and its rhythm is junk.

“to the ignorant, yes”

Hey Ed’s Appliance, if your still reading, you may or may not find out who killed Laura Palmer by watching ‘Lost.’ However, watch any episode of ‘Reaper’ and the answer is there.

Punk ain’t got no groove
it don’t make you want to move

dain, thanks for mentioning Reaper. A tragically underwatched, genuinely funny and original show.

Don’t fear the Reaper, boys

dain, thanks for mentioning Reaper. A tragically underwatched, genuinely funny and original show.

Another one my wife tunes into religiously. I dig the Rat Packer devil – possibly the most plausible Satan I’ve ever seen.