20,000,000 Idiots Mocked To Smear GOP
Shorter Real Clear Politics:
Above: Donald Douglas is only thinking of the families
- Saddeningly, deranged liberals have ignored my reasoned call to both sides to stop politicizing the so-called conservative gunman who went on a shooting rampage against, uh, people.
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Bonus Donald Douglas: We find concern-trollery at its most basic in Douglas’s plea to “partisans of both sides” to “end the politicization of personal tragedies.” (Contrariwise, we would call on partisans of both sides to condemn murderous attacks on liberal churches.) But he reaches an expert cadence in the plaint that, through identifying the alleged assailant as a conservative, “the suffering of the church victims and their families is largely forgotten.” Truly, let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who.
We are also schooled in integrity when Douglas slants things this way and that way in order to make dirty old reality line up better with clean, elegant conservatism.1 It begins like this:
[The alleged assailant Jim David] Adkisson reportedly declared not only his hatred of the “liberal movement,” but also “anyone different from him.”
As you can see, the quote is not in fact attributed to Adkisson, and is significantly chopped even from the second-remove Star-Tribune version at the link. It reads in full: “He disliked blacks, gays, anyone who was a different color or just different from him.” In other words, unlike all of American conservatism until just this moment, Adkisson’s xenophobia was apparently coextensive with a hatred of modernity, roughly identified as ”liberalism,” in a way that was seemingly compatible with the views expressed by reactionary figures such as are heard on talk radio. Who indeed had ever heard of such a thing.
This ends with the incident (pace Douglas) proving the depravity of liberals and their ‘politics of hatred.’ Emphasis his:
In other words, the Adkisson case provides a case study in the secular demonology of the left. We’re seeing the politics of hatred in action. It’s marked by demands for vengeance and modes of discourse seeking to protect the perceived purity of the liberal sensibility. It is irreligious and opportunistic. It is the repudiation of decency. It is the absence of divine soul. With it, we see the Bush adminstration, John McCain, Bill O’Reilly, and Fox News attacked as the manifestation of the Fourth Reich.
There has (and I don’t say this lightly, or in anger, or vainly as though to get a reaction) seldom in my experience been a conservative opinion column that has so closely paralleled the editorial reasoning on view in the Völkischer Beobachter.
Mr. Douglas is a Poli Sci professor. We commend to him the study of politics, specifically in the manner of science; and also repudiate decency and request that as a cobag, he eat it.
1 Cf.
Shorter Wingnut Blogosphere: Nothing to see here, move along. And if you point out the obvious, you hate America.
These people always see themselves as victims. Never has the phrase “it’s all about me” fit so well.
Alternate shorter Donald Douglas: If only everyone in America could be forced to accept *my* version of Teh One True Godliness, then all the marginalized armed nutcases would confine their attempted suicides-by-cop to shooting at not-white people in officially-ghettoized communities, thereby removing their actions from the category of “news”!
Something about taking responsibility for themselves causes wingnuts extreme mental anguish.
We’re seeing the politics of hatred in action. It’s marked by demands for vengeance and modes of discourse seeking to protect the perceived purity of the liberal sensibility.
politics of hatred? modes of discourse? liberal sensibility?
Look who’s gone all postmodern on us!
Gavin is shrill! Why can’t you see that Malkin is a victim to?! Why must you hatefully politicize this obviously completely non-political incident?! Bush derangement syndrome!! Besides, how do we know the shooter wasn’t secretly a Liberal THE WHOLE TIME?! What about all those Muslim terrorists, huh?! Blargh!!!1
So, while we shouldn’t politicize this horrible tragedy, it’s totally The Left’s fault.
Actually, it does say that. On the second page of the article
I would love to see this guy say this stuff in a debate-show sort of format, and then for the other debater and the moderator to just stare at him in slack-jawed astonishment and incredulity, rather than saying anything in reply.
Anonymous, try reading it again. Perhaps sounding out the words aloud will help.
So, while we shouldn’t politicize this horrible tragedy, it’s totally The Left’s fault.
Have we asked Norbizness if he has any comment on his responsibility for this horrible tragedy?
Well of COURSE it’s an expression of the politics of hate! If we liberals weren’t such meanie poo-poo heads, which our demands for personal responsibility and acknowledgment of fact, those Unitarians would still be alive today! Adkisson wouldn’t have been driven off the deep end if we hadn’t been in power for twenty of the last twenty-eighty years!
IOW, he’s just saying we liberals need to fuck off and die. Or we should expect to be shot. Just like what just happened, ya know?
“… repudiate decency and request that as a cobag, he eat it.”
And, might I add, seeing he is an enormous choadwad, he should go fuck himself.
(Contrariwise, we would call on partisans of both sides to condemn murderous attacks on liberal churches)
I believe that is technically the inverse and not the converse.
Politically-inspired mass murder: NOT the politics of hatred.
Pointing out political inspiration for mass murder: the politics of hatred.
Also, you gotta love this:
Wait, so NOW the right wing chooses to factor economic despair and social alienation into the causality of crime? Awesome! I can’t wait ’til they include black people in that equation!
Even shortier Dougie Fresh: “It’s all about ME!”
I am reminded of that amusing autumn when the Beltway Snipers made walking to the bus stop so exciting. That winter on of the S.O.’s sisters claimed that she was SO FRIGHTENED during the entire event.
Not for her brother (who was also out here) but for herself (who was several states away).
There is literally no event in the world that cannot be shoehorned into this “nihilist liberal victimizes conservatives” narrative. It’s mad libs: you just take nouns and verbs out of news stories and drop them in a sea of incomprehensible, self-righteous babble.
“Adkisson was deeply frustrated with his employment prospects…”
You might say he was bitter. You certainly could say he clung to guns. Hey, Obama was right! May we hear some apologies now from the MSM?
This shooting is the fault of liberals. It never would have happened if they weren’t flaunting their tolerance around like a little slut. Oh, sure, I mean it’s wrong to shoot up churches, I guess, but what did you expect to happen? Welcoming gays into their church for all to see! Harumph, that church was asking for it!
You know, every time I snark about this I start to feel ill.
Also: lulz at the idea that hatred of everything different is not a conservative trait. Yeah yeah, but teh libruls are intolerant of meh intolerance blah blah blah.
My mistake; I’ll fix it.
I like this (without self-celebratory links):
Or: “I, like John McCain, have had the courage to denounce our side’s extremists, who, incidentally, are not really on our side.”
A 1957 era computer would probably be powerful enough to predict the conservative response to almost any situation. I don’t think this hypothetical computer has even been tested yet. I however, am seriously being tested. I’d like to just up and kick over a certain someone’s propane grill. I’m like a motherfucking hurricane when I’m angry. and I am ANGRYPANTS MCGOO. These people are nothing but sad, empathy-minus robots.
Donkey needs a hat.
Just sayin…
mikey
Even Shorter RW apologist:
If the Left didn’t think the way they did, we wouldn’t have to shoot them.
The fact is, liberals are terrible people. They do not deserve death however, only internetment in camps once the constitution is restored.
Liberals and Dems are bad and corrupt. Look at what’s happening in Cuyahogo, Co. OH. ALL DEMS. ALL CORRUPT. I can’t wait for the McCain tide to sweep that otherwise ungodly lib region clean.
This in case you’d like to read his prose out loud: “He sounds a bit like Mr. Howell from Gilligan’s Island[.]”
Well, of course it’s the left responsible for the culture of hate. The right-wing merely tells the truth about immigration, free trade, and Barack Obama’s three-six birthmark. It’s the left’s abject terror of reality that leads to hate. Just like Yoda said.
You guys don’t get it. When that O’Reilly. Hannity and Savage reading right winger who hates gays, non-whites and liberals went into a “liberal” church to shoot and kill people, he was really shooting at every conservative in the country.
Why don’t you lefties get it?
“Just like Yoda said.”
Be my little baabaay….
“I have taken down, for example, Ann Coulter for her anti-Semitism, Rush Limbaugh and various other conservatives for their rabid McCain derangement, and extreme right-wingers for their racist extremism.
Most of these people are either promoting a personality shock-cult not always in the interest of the GOP, or they’re not real conservatives at all.”
That’s a hard 180 right there. First he notes that extremism of some of the best known commentators on the Right….and then wonders in the next sentence if the audience that acts on these words, aren’t conservatives? Well, who are they…liberals? We’re so into role playing that we go nuts and shoot fellow liberals?
I wonder why this guy doesn’t provide examples of Left Wing extremism?
I wonder why this guy doesn’t provide examples of Left Wing extremism?
Left wing extremism is when taxes go up.
The fact is, in this context, ‘constitution’ should be capitalized. Though I am glad to see that we will be allowed internet access in the camps. That is what ‘internetment’ means, isn’t it?
Oh yeah, one other thing: I gotcher corruption right here.
We’re seeing the politics of hatred in action.
Silly me. I thought we saw that on Sunday, when Gomer opened fire on teh Godless Librals Who Are Destroying America at the UU church.
Ah, wingnuts…they can even take the “sticks and stones” mantra and turn it inside out: “Guns and ammo may rip my flesh, but your words, they really wound me.”
The fact is, all professors are radical leftists.
Wow! I thought the Reverse Double Malkin was impressive, but this wearer of the ass hat took someone who shot up a church for being too liberal and blamed it on the Liberal Politics of Hated in Action.
Its the Triple Don with a Half Douglas.
That motherfuxxer is more twisted than Chubby checker.
Asshole quotes David Neiwert, then says:
So we can see that prominent left-wing outlets are using the example of one deranged loner to brand the entire “conservative movement” – from conservative evangelists, to corporate media, to right-wing radio shock-jocks – as xenophobic exterminationists.
Bullshit. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with Neiwert’s stuff knows that he’s been writing about this kind of crap – eliminationist rhetoric from the yawning maws of Coulter, Savage, and Limbaugh inspiring acts of violence – for years. This was not an isolated incident, and this shit-for-brains knows it.
A continuing characteristic of supposedly so moral right-wingers is a total inability to take responsibility for the inevitable result of their way of thinking. Is the all too predictable right wing response to this incident really any different from Jonah Goldberg’s recent attempt to blame liberals for the Nazis?
No.
This has been another installment of Simple Answers to Simple Questions
I wonder why this guy doesn’t provide examples of Left Wing extremism?
Left wing extremism is when taxes go up.
And when we force gay marriage down everyone’s throats. Until they gag. Literally.
Shorter Douglas: Conservatism can never walk into a liberal church and blast away at a congregation of innocents. It can only be blasted at in a liberal church along with a congregation of innocents. See?
It is the absence of divine soul.
Hey! Aretha Franklin ain’t dead yet!
It all starts with the basic axiom that Conservatives Are Good. Therefore, any so-called “fact” which challenges that axiom must be twisted until it supports it. Anyone who does something bad is ipso facto not a Real Conservative.
And anyone who challenges this interpretation of the facts is a Liberal Fascist, a Shrill Hater, or both.
I am unwillingly impressed by the wingnuts’ ability to perform these mental gymnastics without spraining their cerebra.
The fact is, all professors are radical leftists.
Only some go so far that they are reactionary right.
he was divorced after a deeply troubled and potentially violent marriage.
“Potentially.” I love that. This one was the last of five such marriages, apparently. The latest unfortunate woman had taken out a restraining order, as the nutball had threatened to kill her and then himself.
He needed help a long time ago and never got it.
And it was all the liberals, gays, and blacks’ fault.
media reports and blogging analyses have zoomed in on Adkisson’s professed hatred of liberals…
Gosh! I WONDER WHY? Damn liebrul media, repeating the slathering rage-choked language he left in what he thought would be his suicide letter!
… while ignoring his economic dislocation and his statements signaling a larger social-psychological alienation.
Not long ago, such whining and lack of bootstrap-pulling-up would have triggered an avalanche of hooting derision from the right along the lines of “Oh, touchy-feely forget-the-victim I’m not responsible, society is, feel sorry for me, I had a bad childhood and that’s why I went on a killing rampage!” Un fucking believable.
So we can see that prominent left-wing outlets are using the example of one deranged loner to brand the entire “conservative movement” – from conservative evangelists, to corporate media, to right-wing radio shock-jocks – as xenophobic exterminationists.
This is an unprincipled stretch.
Oh no you don’t. You don’t get to use the word “unprincipled” in trying to smear the truth-tellers who are now, finally, calling you fuckers on your hate-filled bullshit. How dare you. Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. knew exactly what they were doing, and now that an unstable minion has done what the rest of them lacked the guts to do — wow, sorta like the 101st Keyboardists egging on the War on Terra! — they and their defenders, as usual, tuck their rancid tails between their spindly legs and scurry away, hurling blame at those who have got their number and are at long last naming it — with evidence to support it. In spades.
Fucking fucking fucking fuckers.
Sorry for the rant.
The only difference between Adkisson (or Timothy McVeigh) and the murderous thugs that brought down the World Trade Center is a matter of degree. All parties thought that killing innocent people they perceived as representing their social/religious enemies to make a political point was justified.
And we certainly saw some POLITICIZATION of that case of murder, didn’t we?
Any comment from O’Reilly, Hannity or the Savage Weiner on Adkisson’s choice of reading material yet?
*crickets*
it strikes me it might be quite educational to see what Douglas had to say about reactions to the VaTech shootings.
PS — Gavin, thanks for your coverage of this tragedy and its sadly inevitable wingnut aftermath. Like many of my friends and colleagues, I never thought this sort of thing would become personal.
[hugs for MzNicky, if she wants them]
Hey, c’mon now. We’re only rancid ’cause, uh, how does one put this delicately, look where we’re LOCATED. Anatomically speaking. And if nobody ever has the time to bathe and brush us, and we’re always tucked between those filthy legs, well, you gotta understand, we don’t LIKE being rancid, but you gotta consider the source, y’know?
Come on now. I’m sure that if someone went on a shooting rampage at a business luncheon for the Carlyle Group; was later found to have written a manifesto in which he proclaimed that he was going to kill a bunch of conservatives because they were destroying the earth with their wars, arms dealing, and exploitation of financial markets; and then was revealed as having his house littered with publications from Noam Chomsky, Ward Churchill, and Al Gore, the right wingers would be showing considerable restraint in discussing the politics of the perpetrator.
Oh, sure, now it’s all OUR fault, huh? You tails are all alike. You spend most of your time wagging the damn dog. And then you wanna duck all responsibility by blaming us? What, just ’cause we’re spindly? Did you see what that nasty dog was licking this morning? What about that part?
But that’s the thing, itchy.
They are ruled by the old addage:
Heads, I win
Tails, you lose.
MzNicky — do not, repeat, DO NOT apologize for your rant. It’s beautiful in its awful precision. I join Marita in sending a hug your way. And also a martini, if you’d like.
Look, between you and me, those LIE-brals sort of had it coming, didn’t they? They had gone out of their way to offend the conservative community and they knew they were looking for trouble. Jesus didn’t want anyone to gay-marry their pet dog, so the fact that this Mr. Adkisson found it necessary to confront them in Jesus’s house, well that shouldn’t surprise anyone. LIE-brals are sort of like the woman in a Christian marriage, required to be subserviant and keep their head bowed in respect when in the presense of their GOP husband, right? When you mouth off, your probly gonna get your mouth slapped, because thats G*ds law. If you DEMON-crats would just learn to keep quiet and be very, very still, there probaly wouldn’t be accident like this. Surely that much is obvious, right?
Thanks Dr. Missus Marita. I always take all the hugs I can get, virtual or otherwise! Especially now.
Do I need to point out that my satirical analogy is flawed because the “liberal authors” I cited, unlike Savage et al., have not actually called for violent acts against conservatives. I didn’t think so.
I think I know why there is so much wingnut outcry over this, and so quick off the mark too. The perp is still alive right?
In most shootings (for example the previous church shooting) the perp is killed, either by suicide, or police or security guard. This makes the media cycle pretty short. There is the initial coverage, then more for the inquest and funerals, and thats about it.. it fizzles out with no new news.
But this one is alive. There is going to be a trial.. a nice lengthy, media frenzy. In the course of that trial, more details about the shooter are going to come out.. and be published. His motivation is going to get a much closer examination than it would had he died. This can’t be good news for the wingnuts right? I think the trial is going to show a lot of people that this man is not so far away from mainstream conservative thinking, and that what he did was only what Savage et all have publicly fantasised about doing.
Not to mention the things that make it worse. How the shooter was stopped goes against every wingnut fantasy about gun ownership. A nutjob with a gun was stopped by ordinary (liberal at that!) unarmed people.. who did not have to resort to killing the gunman. No wild west justice here. In the wake of every shooting, we get wingnuts braying on about how everyone in that school/church/bingo club should have been packing heat, and that tragedy would have been averted if only they didnt have to wait 10 mins for the police to turn up and do the job of turning the gunman into a collander. They cant pull that argument out this time, much to their disappointment i am sure.
Also, I am fairly sure we are going to get members of that church on TV, arguing AGAINST giving the shooter the death penalty. That isnt how things work in wingnutland dammit! Crime victims are suppose to WANT and NEED the perp to be executed in the name of closure/justice/revenge/god/mom and apple pie.
And when you get down to it.. I am not so sure that shooter is much different from the average wingnut blogger. In terms of ideology and personal views.. exactly the same really. How often do we see wingnut slimeballs “joke” about killing liberals? The difference is this one somehow got pushed over the edge, and actually acted out his desires.
So all in all.. this one is very difficult for the wingnuts. They can usually find a good angle to blame any shooting on the liberals, or in a pinch.. Anything but their own political philosophy. This time, it isnt JUST the fact that the perp is one of their own that is embarrassing.. All of the circumstances are conspiring against allowing them even the most twisted and overstretched way of using it to prop up their own ideology. Damn reality and its liberal bias!
Smiling Mortician: That goes double for martinis. Very dirty and up please.
Also, what Anon. up above said. Exactly.
Actually, this isn’t Real Clear Politics. RCP just mirrors whatever grabs their attention on the blogosphere for that day, so their “articles” cover the entire political spectrum (though admittedly they mirror more rightwing than leftwing articles). The source of this article is American Power Blog. And you gotta love this guy’s tagline!
Jonah’s busy denouncing 1960s Olympic athletes. Cause they were black and insufficiently subservient and stuff.
(((hugs to MzNicky)))
I am sure that if an unemployed liberal arts grad student had gone into a megachurch shooting up people in the congregation, and that church had recently featured a program on opposing gay marriage, and he killed two people and endangered a room full of children, and police found a 4 page letter in his car blaming his rage on right wingers and homophobes and Republicans, and upon investigating his house found books from Michael Moore and Greg Palast and Noam Chomsky…
…I’m sure that the right wing and the mainstream media would really keep the coverage quiet and tasteful and would be admonishing us how ridiculous it was to associate the liberal-left hate speech the killer had absorbed with the mental illness of an individual.
Of course they would be saying the exact same thing if the situation were like I just subscribed.
Exaclty. And if I were the dude’s defense attorney, I would definitely be considering a plea of insanity and presenting Savage’s (and others’) writings as evidence along with expert testimony to discuss the negative effect that such eliminationist rhetoric can have on unbalanced minds.
The fact is, this was a clear setup to make Conservatives look bad.
OK, fine. I hereby denounce far left-wing fringe extremists like the SLA and the Red Army Faction. (Though I can’t think of any equivalent left wing murderous thugs that aren’t from the 1970s, and died in a hail of gunfire.) I’ll even toss in Lee Harvey Oswald because he was a Commie.
(Maybe the Earth-Firster and ALF types, but they usually don’t open fire on crowds of children.)
But I don’t notice, or recall, any mass media outlets or major publishers who are or were regularly expounding to the likes of Donald DeFreeze or Andreas Baader that social conservatives deserve to violently murdered by crazed vigilantes. The left-wing thugs dreamed up their crimes themselves, and therein lies the difference. There are bloviators like the Micheal the Savage Weiner on massive broadcasting networks exhorting these sick bastards to do these things, and huge publishing houses printing the books never mind the fever swamp of the right-wing blogs. They make huge amounts of money doing it.
And they refuse to take responsibility for what they do.
I haven’t seen suggestions yet that the Unitarians should have been armed, anyway.
Only leftist extremists are violent. There is no such thing as an extreme on the right wing, as it is what all the real Americans believe in.
Also, it’s (still!) 1968.
A double dirty martini just for you, MzNicky. I’m sending the house boy out for it right now. Hope you don’t mind, but I’ve ordered one for myself as well.
Fake Gary — you just keep being you.
And mikey — I just knew that was you, both times. I love your writing style.
(Yeah, I’ve already had a martini and I’m feeling a little mooshy and, I dunno, Unitarian . . . what of it?)
“I haven’t seen suggestions yet that the Unitarians should have been armed, anyway.”
Stroll though some comments sections. Those suggestions have been there since an hour after the news broke.
El Cid owes me a beverage.
I can only assume that you aren’t looking.
In other words, the Adkisson case provides a case study in the secular demonology of the left.
Unfuckin believable.
(Didn’t Godlstein just “retire” right before this happened? Jobless sponge, resents everybody to the left of Gingrich, murderous rages…has anybody at Knoxville PD tried the Scooby Doo-mask-pull-off on this perp, yet?)
well, I think that the problem here is that the unis happened to defend themselves and stopped the assailant mid killing-spree, thereby robbing the muscular conservatives of their favorite talking point (why didn’t anybody do anything? I would have responded differently, yadi yadi yah)
I am a uni and I take this pretty personally myself.
A lot of UU congregations are having memorial services in the next few days. you might want to look for one to attend. there probably won’t be any god talk.
Somehow missed that, Itchy. Beverages away. But for future re-writes, I wouldn’t know which leftist to quote who advocates violence, other than tuning back to the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Red Army Faction wasn’t even here. The Earth Liberation Front doesn’t count, as violence to subdivision construction or Hummers isn’t the same.
A nutjob with a gun was stopped by ordinary (liberal at that!) unarmed people.. who did not have to resort to killing the gunman.
Nailed it. I too believe this is one of the many burrs that this tragedy has put under the saddle of the wingnuts.
I hope it makes these fuckwads think twice about messing with Unitarians again. Now they see it leads to a fate worse than death – love and humiliation.
Dirty martinis and hugs to you MzNicky.
and all we got was a lousy earthquake.
I wouldn’t know which leftist to quote who advocates violence
That’s exactly where I failed as well. I pointed it out in a later post. Like minds and all…
I haven’t seen suggestions yet that the Unitarians should have been armed, anyway.
I can only assume that you aren’t looking.
I should have known.
Thanks Mort!
Hey, you gonna find a chance to tilt one with Herr Doktor?
Maybe while Frau Doktorin is taking in the local culture?
And Doktorling Sonja is getting another tattoo? (What???)
mikey
When I read this statement by Douglas:
The first thing that came to mind was “Yeah, because when the Elves (ELF) fire bomb another SUV lot, such destruction of property should be seen as the same or worse than what happened Sunday.” The second thing I thought was “Shit, radical leftist violence against people hasn’t happened in this country in about 35 years.” And the third thing I thought was, “Duh, that’s a moot point, since this guy believes every left-leaning person in the U.S. is responsible for all the actions of all leftists movements around the world.” So, Professor Douglas, sorry for the FARC’s next kidnapping. I know I will not have done more to prevent it when it comes to pass and I therefore preemptively denounce, renounce, and pounce at it now.
moreenough to preventMzNicky – Hurrah, hell yes, martinis and hugs for you!
Anon. – Fuckin’ NAILED it. Bee-auty. Martini for you also.
Thanks for not passing this story by – now America is getting a good look at what eliminationism really does. The real deal isn’t nearly as much fun for wingnuts as the printed abstract version.
For a bunch of folks so big of yap on the topic of “personal responsibility,” these neocon-types sure can side-step like the Dickens when that responsibility comes with an unpleasant aroma, huh?
RJ Eskow over at HuffPo looks to’ve nailed it in one ugly little paragraph:
Got paid for it real sweet, too … but then, they usually do.
What makes it even nastier for the Nut Brigade was that this happened in a church … turf they’ve been trying to own exclusive cultural rights to for a long long time. The black irony of the location will stick to these bastards like bear-grease … & so too, I’d wager, will the testimony at the trial.
Anon. @ 1:40 wins 3,000 Internets: this whole tragedy is a massive boot right to the gonads of the righteous People’s Republic Of Wingnuttia, from start to finish. You thought their spin-machines were twirling hard? You ain’t seen NOTHING yet.
MzNicky wins an ice-cold jigger of James-Bond-worthy fire-water, & Avogadro’s Number of meta-hugs.
Ne te illegitimates carborundum.
The Earth Liberation Front doesn’t count, as violence to subdivision construction or Hummers isn’t the same.
But think of all the gigantic overcompensations for penises the ELF is blowing up, Cid! They’re basically castrating the wingnuts right in front of us!
Also, you gotta love this:
media reports and blogging analyses have zoomed in on Adkisson’s professed hatred of liberals while ignoring his economic dislocation and his statements signaling a larger social-psychological alienation
It’s almost as if Adisson was bitter and was clinging to his . . . oops, I, ah . . .
All of this has got me thinking about respect, and the sheer lack of it in American politics, from a certain side of the aisle.
There are still some stupid hippy bastards out there trotting out the “both parties are the exact same right wing facists so i am going to vote for nader/my cat” Decent, liberal people.. but not grounded in reality at all.
If you know someone like that.. I think the only way to wake them up is to show them the things that have been said in the wake of this shooting.
The american far right are not just facists.. not just corporate fucksticks.. they actually WANT YOU DEAD. They want to de-humanise and destroy anyone who isnt part of their tribe. The more blatant of them say it out loud. The most crazy of them actually act out these fantasies.. But the rest of them still dream about it.
So, the mainstream american political spectrum runs from “right wing knobjockey that acknowledges you are a human being and respects that fact” through “right wing knobjockey who will cheerfully leave you to starve” all the way to “right wing knobjockey that would shoot you in the face if they thought they could get away with it”
So i say forget about the policies.. Yes, Obama really is still a right winger. But im pretty sure he doesnt fantasize about committing genocide. Sadly.. this is an important reason why you should vote for him.
Its the first step towards sane politics. Not enacting our liberal policies.. Not gaining influence in government that might lead to liberal policies.. Not even gaining respect for our ideas in the public discourse.. the most basic step back to sanity is getting the people who publicly advocate murdering us out of that public discourse, and out of their influential positions in the media.
Its incredible that this is still an issue. People that advocate putting others into camps and killing them, ought to be beyond the pale. They ought to be respected by nobody, and listened to by nobody. They shouldn’t be on the fucking radio! They shouldn’t be able to get a book contract, they shouldn’t be able to get recognition, money, and encouragement from the mainstream media!
If the American left cannot even achieve that.. We are fucked.
Any comment from O’Reilly, Hannity or the Savage Weiner on Adkisson’s choice of reading material yet?
“Can’t wait for the next royalty check!”
Yes, the UU’s stopped him without weapons. They didn’t need them. One brave brave man put himself between the deranged shooter and the children, and died. Other real men — one a diminutive history professor — tackled him and held him down, without violence, peaceably, until the police arrived. One of the finest moments of liberalism you will ever find in these or any other days, I think.
This isn’t about me at all, but thanks guys. Now — double dirty martinis all around for everyone.
Shorter Sadlyno commenters:
“YEEEEEEE-HAWWWWW!!!! There it is, boys!! ALL TEH PRUF WE NEED!! Grab yer gunz, proggies!! IT’S TIME FER SOME PAYBACK!!!11!”
“YEEEEEEE-HAWWWWW!!!! There it is, boys!! ALL TEH PRUF WE NEED!! Grab yer gunz, proggies!! IT’S TIME FER SOME PAYBACK!!!11!”
Except for the part about the guns and the implication that anything needed to be proven, sort of.
Metaphorical guns, maybe. I understand the difference between real and imaginary can be tricky for … some people.
Welcome aboard the the big Train to Fucked, chugging it’s way to oblivion.
Oh, the world will do fine without America, in their way, creating economies and political arrangements that work fine. America has several problems from which she cannot recover. She has no internal resources of value. Her economy is entirely predicated on cheap energy and consumer spending. She can no longer generate wealth, so she increasingly relies on military force and imperial projection to be relevant. But it is not 1800. And that is not only an expression of power that is not acceptable by the rest of the international community, it is neither effective nor sustainable.
With nothing to contribute but divisiveness and destruction, and nothing to offer but self-serving paens to our more powerful past, America will find she has to act in an increasingly violent, arbitrary and authoritarian manner to remain relevant on the world stage.
And the world is increasingly closer to having had enough of that behavior. The future is built on multilateral trade and peaceful agreement. American does not have the ability to compete in that kind of world.
The pieces of America will likely have some value. Depending upon the consequences of global climate change, the midwest may still be able to produce significant amounts of food, as will the southeast and the far west. The west coast has a lot of tech power, and the east has some economic clout. The US may well end up being four or five or six mid-level countries. But the trillion dollar military budget cannot last. Our time of being able to threaten and bully the rest of the international community are, thankfully, over..
mikey
Shorter Sadlyno commenters:
In light of recent tragic (if predictable) events, it is apparent that all wingnuts need to be herded into cattle cars and sequestered in camps so they can re-evaluate their politico-social beliefs.
For their own good, of course.
People that advocate putting others into camps and killing them, ought to be beyond the pale. They ought to be respected by nobody, and listened to by nobody.
Totally agreed. And I’m stumped at how our new troll interprets this as “wingers need to be rounded up in concentration camps.”
Any comment from O’Reilly, Hannity or the Savage Weiner on Adkisson’s choice of reading material yet?
“No doubt this will result in increased traffic which will do wonders for my ratings.”
MzNicky said,
July 30, 2008 at 1:22
What she said.
Spot on Mikey.
Reality has been telling america “change or die” for the last 30 years or so. And in that last 30 years? Not a right lot of changing. In the next 30? not much promise of change there either.
The right wingers? Those fuckers are clinging to an ideology which is a shambling zombie ALREADY. When america really is dead.. they will still be humping its dead corpse. Even when its too late, and chinese businessmen are wrapping up the washington monument to take it back home as a souvenir, they will still blame it all on the gays.
The thing is, if you take “wingnuts” to mean what it really should mean, which is to say nutty right-wing ideologues, the people saying “we should kill their leaders and convert them to our religion” and “every few years we just have to kill a bunch of people” and similar tough-guy/eliminationist crapola, then yeah, they should be sequestered somewhere. Not so much because they’re “conservative” but because they’re fucking crazy and are dangerous to themselves and to others.
shorter librul jerks said,
July 30, 2008 at 3:44
Fuck you, asshole.
Other real men — one a diminutive history professor — tackled him and held him down, without violence, peaceably, until the police arrived. One of the finest moments of liberalism you will ever find in these or any other days, I think.
Well, yeah, I’m gonna go with MOSTLY right. But let’s be honest and not gild the fucking lily here. When people go hands on with a shotgun weilding thug, what you’ve got there IS violence. The biggest, baddest kind of violence. Also the kind that you bloody well WANT in your community, in your tribe, in your experience.
Violence isn’t bad, by defintion, nor is it to be categorically avoided. What you say there is a group of people who would not allow a fucking deranged thug to kill their friends, their family, their church. And they did what people have done for millenia. They applied the level of violence necessary to bring the incident to a close. It is the bureaucracy, the government, that finds a way to define and legislate the necessity for killing the perpatrator. The tribe? Not really. They solve the problem, recognize the hopelessness and helplessness of the the shooter, and find a way to solve the problem within the community. We no longer allow for that kind of solution. And that’s sad…
mikey
MzNicky, no martinis at hand, but you are welcome to a hug plus an extra-large serving of chocolate mousse. With extra whipped cream.
“he was divorced after a deeply troubled and potentially violent marriage.”
“Potentially.” I love that. This one was the last of five such marriages, apparently. The latest unfortunate woman had taken out a restraining order, as the nutball had threatened to kill her and then himself.
I’m unhappily certain that someone on the Gates-of-Vienna-Sausages or the Beating-Our-Meats or the Flopping-&-Undersized-Aces sites has already explained that this tragedy can be traced back to liberal-lesbian-feminist divorce laws and their weak-sister obsession with “protecting” women from angry crazy spouses. Because domestic violence is like traffic accidents or flooded basements — unfortunate, but so common & yet so unpredictable that another incident is just five minutes and one night on the local news. And therefore not at all embarrassing to the “conservative” fReichtards among us!
Because Anon. nails it: Those Unitarians, bless them, showed just how cheap and narrow all the Second-Amendment-humping fap-fantasies are. Armed crazy person goes for the gusto of suicide-by-cop, and some peace-besotted UU usher actually gives up his own life to cheat Addkinson of his chance at drinking with Odin. Just as the Second-Amendment-humpers deeply believe *they* would do, if it weren’t for their trick knees and their pilinoidal sinuses. And it’s not even like a Unitarian would *want* to go to Valhalla… although from my experience of the breed, Mr. Hoskins would be perfectly capable of enjoying himself there.
one a diminutive history professor
Shit, that’s John Bohstedt. I’ve read his work on riots and moral economy.
Check the community service and consulting section of his resume (pdf) and weep, wingnuts. Read it and weep.
Now where’s that blowhard who screamed at us about ROE back when Virginia Tech.
It’s marked by demands for vengeance and modes of discourse seeking to protect the perceived purity of the liberal sensibility. It is irreligious and opportunistic.
Correct me if I don’t recall correctly, but I’m thinking back to the Amish school shooting a while back, and the response to the Amish community’s refusing any condemnation of the killer. Wasn’t there one pundit saying something to the effect of: “A country that can’t screw up enough judgment to condemn a killer is a country with a major problem. The Amish are wrong to forgive; a proper ethical and moral upbringing would acknowledge the righteousness of swift, angry retribution.” I assume the person in question meant to play on “retribution” in both the rhetorical (forensic) and physical (ass-pounding) senses.
“Proggies” don’t need guns, Sparky.
Just Sayin’…
I don’t see any contradiction in using a little violence to stop a seriously violent incident. Violence is bad.. that is why we want as little of it as possible. That is why it is worth getting your hands dirty to stop some fucker from murdering people.
The positive outcome of that little scrap doesn’t make the violence used RIGHT, or anything to be proud of. Stopping a maniac? That is right. That is something to be proud of. Using unsavoury methods to do it? Not so right, but sometimes the end DOES justify the means. Its pretty unambiguous in a situation like that. You can deck them, or let them get off another shot. Which is the least violent option? Which results in the least human suffering?
Yeah, you still have to acknowledge the reality of the situation, make a decision, and take action. You have to be certain you are right, and take responsibility for the action you take. If you are going to commit violence, you have to take responsibility for it. The shooter has the police to make them take responsibility. The vigilante has only their conscience to deal with.
This is something that never goes through the minds of the wingnuts when they declare that they pack heat, and anyone who tries shooting up THEIR church is going to get plugged full of holes. They revel in it.. Violence is right when it is commited by them. They mentally divide the world into people that want shooting, and people who don’t.
The fact that some people are criticizing the avowed anti-liberal declarations of a deranged killer of innocent people (in what some fringe people might label as an act of terrorism) and his use of popular right wing radio & TV stars is proof that there is a war on against conservatives and it’s time to stand up to those damn liberals.
Reality has been telling america “change or die” for the last 30 years or so. And in that last 30 years? Not a right lot of changing. In the next 30? not much promise of change there either.
It’s like changing the course of a very large ocean liner. Even with plenty of warning & the best efforts possible, in this situation momentum is *not* your friend. Our political Titanic may yet hit the iceberg of cold reality, but we can still avoid massive loss of life, as long as enough of us are willing to seal the stoved compartments and get the steerage passengers on deck and form an orderly queue for the lifeboats, or whatever makeshift flotation devices we can scrounge up while the guys in the command tower are shitting themselves and the band refuses to stop playing with their instruments. As Mikey says, the land mass we now call “America” may end up as half a dozen smaller political entities, probably as part of an EU-style arrangment with most of Canada and part of Mexico. But it’s only in retrospect that the collapse of great empires look magestic and preordained; for most of the denizens of Imperial Rome or Victorian Britain, “massive political upheaval” ranked somewhere on the attention scale between the prospects of the local sports teams and the condition of the upcoming grain harvest.
Reality has been telling america “change or die” for the last 30 years or so.
Yes it has, and Jimmy Carter was right there with it telling us that as well. America’s response can only be described as EPIC FAIL. The Reagan Revolution was a huge, whiny-ass titty-baby screech whose echoes are heard still whenever a wingnut says “If a liberal says X, I am morally bound to do Not X.”
Hence Adam Yoshida’s ruinous electric bill.
I take a bit sunnier view of the situation than Mikey, but only just. I do think that getting things back on track is going to be a pissload of work and not merely thankless but openly demonized, once the righties are comfortable again.
Genocidal maniacs all have the same attitude…they’re the victims and they are always conservative.
Moreover, and based on this attitude, all genocidal maniacs have the same view…if only the ones that they’re killing had never been born (or would just stop doing whatever offended the conservative genocidal maniac in the first place) then they wouldn’t have had to kill them.
The Nazis had this attitude. The Hutus in Rwanda had this attitude. Darfur. Iraq. Knoxville. Honor killings in orthodox religious circles. The 9/11 perpetrators. What happened to Jesus of Nazareth. On and on and on.
Oh, and those who commit these killings always, and I mean always, believe in the Death Penalty.
And, of course, conservatives, who believe in the Death Penalty, never like to be “called out,” to have their egos laid bare, exposed. Why…this makes them angry, makes them want to take action…because they’re the “victims.” Why…this might even cause some of these Death Penalty-embracing conservatives to get angry enough to even “go postal,” to pick up a gun and start firing it, to mail anthrax-laden letters through the mail or mail copycat letters containing non-lethal powder to people, people who’ve offended these conservatives, by either just being alive or because of what they’ve “done” that “demands” conservative censorship in one form or another, with the Death Penalty representing the ultimate form of censorship.
It’s really quite easy to understand why history seems to keep repeating itself once one understands this process…as well as understanding the thinking of many of the conservatives (especially the neo-cons) in the Bush/Cheney administration (or at Faux News, or Rupert Murdoch himself). They’re the “real victims,” a rationale that they then use to “victimize” everyone else. Sick. Sick. Sick. And hardly compassionate or isolated or unusual.
Incidentally, for the benefit of any right-wing troll scum reading this thread, Greg McKendry was a braver man than any ten of you will ever be. He stood up and faced death to save those he cared about, while you hide behind your keyboards blathering on about nonsense like how this was a false flag operation to make you lot look bad. News flash, you don’t need any help on that front, you’re doing fine on your own.
I don’t think its quite all doom and gloom for america.. Yes, a slide into international irrelevancy is inevitable. Is that such an awful thing? Yes, a greatly scaled down economy is inevitable.. But is that so bad, considering most of that economy never even existed? The portion of the economy based on speculation, borrowing, and property prices was never really there.. Once that “money” was made, it never went anywhere. A tiny portion was spent on luxury goods.. and the rest was just seed capital for the next round of speculation.
In theory.. Americas GDP could halve, and the average living standard double. Even a modest amount of wealth distribution could allow a comfortable standard of living, even as the economy shrinks.
Sooner or later (and probably sooner) American politicians are going to face a question.. Stock market or living standards? Theoretical wealth, or food on peoples tables?
The american people are very good at ignoring reality when it doesnt directly affect them. But the collapsing economy is starting to affect people directly. If it gets bad enough, the public demand for action will force the politicians to respond.
All well and good? Well, no. There is ample potential for that demand for action to be directed in the wrong direction. As the economy gets worse, the amount of political energy is increasing. But quite what is guiding it, and where it is guiding it to, is another matter.
This is why we need to be very careful of the “blame the liberals” camp. That political energy could ground itself through them. They could gain popular support from people who are pissed off, and just need someone to tell them where to direct the anger.
If all of that anger and political will gets directed towards rebuilding the new deal, and ensuring decent wages and living standards for all, then america has a chance for a NEW kind of prosperity.
But if it gets directed against sections of american society.. Against liberals, immigrants, gays.. whoever the conservative bogeyman is this week.. Yup. Fucked. If that energy turns destructive, it is going to destroy america.
That is honestly what i see in that lone gunman. An angry man, who has failed at everything he feels is important. And who has then directed that anger in the direction somebody TOLD him to direct it. Rush limbaugh told him it was the liberals fault.. and the poor dumb fuck believed it.
I have a collection of actual comments by Freepers who rightly peg Adkisson as one of our own. Thank God the Freepers are brave enough to distance themselves from this lone liberal gunman and make this, instead, a referendum on our evil, degenerate liberalism.
Can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.
Consequently, Mr. Douglas- if you can’t say anything about a liberal church being shot up that doesn’t somehow blame…um…liberals, then it’s best to just STFU.
In a sense, it is our fault. Kipling’s, and Audie Murphy’s, and Bernie Fisher’s, and Gary Godons, and gawd help me, mine. We try to tell our stories, we try to show what a horendous ugly wast war is, and why you don’t want to fight a battle. But these winguts and adolescents hear the martial tales, the pounding of the machine guns, the Thud of the artillery, the sizzeling of the illum rounds and the scream of the fast movers. They don’t hear us telling them the ugly cost and the tragic waste. They don’t see the dead civilians and livestock, they don’t grasp the cost to your heart and your skin and your soul.
They say “wow. That would be cool.”. If we cannot find a way to make them understand that this is something worth working to be avoided rather than something to rush toward, how can we ever hope to make anyone understand that war is the ultimate failure, that it is nothing but evil come to visit our friends and family?
mikey
Gah. The Spamulator keeps putting comments in a moderation queue.
Sorry about that; it ought to be cleared up soon.
Everyone keeps harping on all the bad things Mr. Adkisson did because he’s a conservative. Why don’t people ever mention the schools he painted in Iraq?
If we cannot find a way to make them understand that this is something worth working to be avoided rather than something to rush toward, how can we ever hope to make anyone understand that war is the ultimate failure, that it is nothing but evil come to visit our friends and family?
Well said. The only way I can think of that would do it for sure is let them experience it firsthand, but I’d as soon not have a war going on that they could participate in (though as it happens, we do have one handy at the moment).
I know it can be learned “the easy way”, because I’ve somehow arrived at the idea that war is horrible without ever having been near one. As for how to teach war cheerleaders – and worse, profiteers – about that, I have no idea.
Part of it is popular culture. Look at the output of hollywood. How many films are about war explicitly? A lot. How many show a conflict between hero and villain which amounts to the same thing? Many. How many include violence as the “good” bit of the film, instead of the tragic bit?
Okay, now of all the films left.. Which dont glorify war and violence.. Subtract all those specifically marketed to women. Not a lot left is there?
American culture equates war with masculinity way too much. War is the way of proving the size of your balls…
Now lets be honest.. How many wingnuts seem secure in their masculinity? How many of them have a chip on their shoulder about women that suggests they are not confident in their identity as a male, an adult, a penis possessor, and woman-luster.
They need to prove themselves. Society is VERY adamant about that too. Men need to drop their trousers and scream “LOOK AT MY BALLS BITCH” every so often, incase somebody think them some kind of inferior nancy boy.
So that is why they are so gung ho for war. Its a locker room thing, and its all they have got to swing!
Itchy Brother said: Do I need to point out that my satirical analogy is flawed because the “liberal authors” I cited, unlike Savage et al., have not actually called for violent acts against conservatives. I didn’t think so.
I was about to point that out. I was unaware of jokes by Gore where he encouraged environmentalists to use baseball bats to communicate with polluters. The interesting thing is, there ARE environmentalist extremists who use violent means in pursuit of their goals. I’m unaware of the mental illness defense being used on their behalf by conservatives.
Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
Welp, let’s get on with it.
Personally, I think that liberals should suddenly buy up all of the guns on the market and swamp their municipalities with applications for carry permits. Then, all of us should carry handguns, visibly, on our belts. Whenever anything remotely like a political discussion takes place, we should have our hands on the handle of that gun. Drive the wingers around the bend with it. Let them get on their forums to whine about the Left and handguns and how maybe…handgun ownership isn’t such a good thing after all. Let them get nervous, it’s all for the best.
I’ve got mine. How about you?
Let them get on their forums to whine about the Left and handguns and how maybe…handgun ownership isn’t such a good thing after all.
Didn’t St. Reagan himself start enacting gun control when the Black Panthers started being visibly armed? Sounds like the same kind of idea – and it’s been proven to work.
Gah. The Spamulator keeps putting comments in a moderation queue. Sorry about that; it ought to be cleared up soon.
Oh, that explains my multiple comments yesterday, apologies to WordPress, whom I irrationally blamed.
Well old CY has thrown the briquettes out of his BBQ, although he gets a bit of a roasting in the comments:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/269524.php
All of a sudden the Unitarians get credit for being Christian? Bet we would have had some different results had we asked the wingnuts last week. Curiously convenient.
I don’t think conservatives can survive in a Unitarian church. Like a vampire sprinkled with holy water, their flesh will burn until dead. I think this fact might explain why he was so easily subdued.
A professor? Him? You are really saying they let him teach? At like a college or so? My god, if all the credentials you need for getting such a job is being fanatic, misleading and sophistic, I think we’ll better have our kids work on a farm.
A motherfucker like this from montana who was worried about people having sex the wrong way shot and killed a few of my friends a few years back. Got seven of them. If the fourth amendment is dead anyways, these are the fuckers we should be looking out for.
Give me enough ram and I can index the shit out of everything and find these patterns. But the only way you can safely do this is to open access to the databases, and create a panopticon. Everyone sees everyone else. Otherwise the collective intelligence becomes fractured and tiered.
No more secrets.
Ok, 2 very good friends, 4 acquaintances , and the motherfucker himself. No pity for the pitiless.
No more sentences that start with the word no. Sadly.
Those Unitarians, making a big show of their self-inflicted wounds.
A professor? Him? You are really saying they let him teach? At like a college or so? My god, if all the credentials you need for getting such a job is being fanatic, misleading and sophistic, I think we’ll better have our kids work on a farm.
I got two words for you, Jan: Glenn. Reynolds.
It may be useful to analogize college educators to say, restaurants…some will serve you a nutritious intellectual feast of exquisite flavor and variety, and others will provide mental McNuggets.
All of a sudden the Unitarians get credit for being Christian? Bet we would have had some different results had we asked the wingnuts last week. Curiously convenient.
They get credit for being mistaken for Christians. There have been lots of “I hope, somehow, they found Jesus before they died” comments too. I detect a strong whiff of jealousy.
shorter jerk is clearly not aware of all internet traditions: the shorter should distill the essence of what’s actually been said, not be the reality-diametric product of a sweat-soaked fever dream.
MzNicky, I can’t help touching up your remark just a bit.
the shorter should distill the essence of what’s actually been said, not be the reality-diametric product of a sweat-soaked fever dream.
Yes. New troll there reminds me a bit of – was it that Gates of Vienna wanker? – who said the pacifists were going to spread their horrible liberal cowardice through violence.
Ya know what? It’s nice you guys being polite and all but in light of recent tragic (if predictable) events, it is apparent that all wingnuts need to be herded into cattle cars and sequestered in camps so they canre-evaluate their politico-social beliefs.
For their own good, of course.
Now, “YEEEEEEE-HAWWWWW!!!! There it is, boys!! ALL TEH PRUF WE NEED!! Grab yer gunz, proggies!! IT’S TIME FER SOME PAYBACK!!!11!”
Dragon-King, that reminds me of the slactivist’s “Pistol-packing pacifist” from last week. It’s part of his Left Behind series.
Sorry, I meant Sam.
All proponents of peace, from their point of view, were duplicitous fools…
Yikes! Why do they hate Jesus so much?
You stand accused of the grave crime of traitorous thoughts and littering. How do you plead, peace or bomb-those-motherfuckers?
It’s the projection that really gets me. Liberals are Fascists. Liberals want to round-up dissenters and ship them somewhere else. Liberals have no respect for the traditional family.
But back to Double D:
Oh, do tell. I would really love to hear about how the conservative blogosphere has the balance of grace.
PENIS
I am not so naïve to think that the next left-winger who’s accused of commiting a brutal crime will be spared the wrath of the conservative blogosphere.
I am not so naïve as to think that the next right-winger who’s accused of committing a brutal crime will be spared being labeled a liberal by the conservative blogosphere.
We’re seeing the politics of hatred in action. It’s marked by demands for vengeance and modes of discourse seeking to protect the perceived purity of the liberal sensibility.
Yes, indeedy — as opposed, of course, to the politics of Donald Douglas and his ilk, which is marked by dead bodies, usually innocent and non-white.
I thought cobag as a term of derision had disappeared, which would have been a tragedy. I’m kind of sad to see it back in action, though, because that means there are still people in the world who are so full of shit that they can no longer be described as anything else.
Cue Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh to mock the dead.
I think that liberals should suddenly buy up all of the guns on the market… Whenever anything remotely like a political discussion takes place, we should have our hands on the handle of that gun. Drive the wingers around the bend with it…
Main reason I don’t own a gun is that I would end up shooting a whole bunch of lackwitted fReichtards for running their pus-sucking mouths in my general vicinity. Also, probably, the television, this decrepit laptop, and the dam’ dog who just whined to be let out, came in afterwards, and left a puddle just past the doormat. And I would later regret shooting the dog.